They'll still fail.

If they honestly believe that they'll survive without being apart of the United States, they're delusional.

I agree that it would sound the death knell for Texas if they decided this. Perry is an idiot for even suggesting it. He knows it will NEVER happen, he's just trying to score political points from the extremists in his base, that's who he believes will win the next election for him.

Not only will the lack of anything coming IN from other States, such as food, plastics, clothes, et cetera, bring about instant poverty to all Texans, but also think about the END of social security payments to all recipients, but also VA benefits, the END of the postal service.

Oh my god, Texas would become a wasteland consisting of little more than small, sickly settlements of people, just waiting for one of their own to die, so the remaining "FREE MEN" can finally have some protien in their diets.

It would be ghastly, and the Governor should be impeached now for such irresponsible and possibly dangerous pandering to an ignorant base of ignorant extremists.

Wow..... Why do so many Non Texans Hate the Idea of Texas secession?

And what is with the spiteful hate filled words?

As others have already said before Rick Perry is a Liar playing on what he knows Texans support. We support the idea of seperation.... but Perry is not gonna be the man to lead us... he is a bush bot loyal to the party not the people.

Now some wonder who we would trade with. In my travels along the border states it has been my experience that Texas has the best relationship with Mexico. Better than Cali, AZ, or NM. Personally I think it has to do with our history. When we won our independence the blood of many paid for it. We remember the Alamo. We remember Goliad. We remember that when a government gets to big for its britchs that it is best to get rid of them. And we remember those who stand with us.

As for our infrastructure we have our own oil so don't worry so much about how we would fare...we would do fine by ourselves...Instead maybe you should worry more about the FED stationing Military troops in your cities practicing swine flu drills and assisting local law enforcement with road side checkpoints.

Also we are not only state talking about this idea these days.... Vermont goes so far to print their own currency in some of their towns and I seriously wish more towns in Texas would follow there example...

Secession is possible with the right leadership. Perry Aint it.....but with so many folks talking down to Texans...insulting us as a people,...belittling the very idea of us leaving with the belief that we wont....

Well I pose this question to yall:

With attitudes of angry adolescents , attacking the people for merely having the thought of leaving the union, why should we desire to stick around considering the in-hospitality towards us?


Follow up question:

Do yall base your disgust of Texas on personal experiences or just off of what TV tells yall?

Originally posted by titorite
Wow..... Why do so many Non Texans Hate the Idea of Texas secession?

No hate from here... just know that it would be utterly foolish for them to do that.

There would be no trade, tariffs would be set from the rest of the Union... Mexico would probably invade (at least the cartels) and there would be no national defense at that point.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

No hate from here... just know that it would be utterly foolish for them to do that.

There would be no trade, tariffs would be set from the rest of the Union... Mexico would probably invade (at least the cartels) and there would be no national defense at that point.

No hate but you still insult Texans by calling our very idea of freedom from the American Federal Empire "FOOLISH"...

It speaks to your character.. what you think of yourself and your nation...and what you think of us "FOOLISH" folk.

You invent scenarios and theorize that Mexican Cartels would invade...

You just don't get it... Your not Texan.

Texas as more than adequate space to take care of itself... We have a year round growing season, natural resources , and as it was said before if the feds want land of ours that they claim as theirs well them They will just have to come and take it.

We operated as an independent nation before and can do so again.

Why are you so bitterly opposed to the Idea... What scares you abouit it... Its not like we would Invade the AFE.... No if a peaceful solution could be worked out every texan would just rather it be peaceful... Yall on your side of the border with you lovely FED and us on our own... making our own way in this world.

Should all the Texans living in other states be deported back to Texas as illegal aliens?

I for one would hate to have to move back to those wind blown plains in the panhandle. I love living in New Mexico even though I still own the family place between New Deal and Idalou. And never miss SXSW.


Rick Perry.....please....All hat, no cattle!

Originally posted by titorite

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

No hate from here... just know that it would be utterly foolish for them to do that.

There would be no trade, tariffs would be set from the rest of the Union... Mexico would probably invade (at least the cartels) and there would be no national defense at that point.

No hate but you still insult Texans by calling our very idea of freedom from the American Federal Empire "FOOLISH"...

If you think someone calling an idea foolish is an indication of hate, then you have a serious borderline issue.

And it's no where near the view of the majority of Texans. I love Texas... lived there for many years myself.

It speaks to your character.. what you think of yourself and your nation...and what you think of us "FOOLISH" folk.

Once again... many times I have told friends and family that an idea of theirs was foolish... what does that speak about my character? That I have an opinion and share it? I would hope if something I was considering was thought to be foolish by someone that they would speak up and explain why they thought it was foolish.

You invent scenarios and theorize that Mexican Cartels would invade...

This is called "Scenario Building". It's what every one does when they are plotting a course of action.

If we secede, what might happen.... well for one we lose the national defense of the US. Given the level of violence and political control that Mexico has going on right now, and given the past history that Mexico has with Texas, they very well might invade.

The question then is... what can Texas do about that if it happens. You can bury your head in the sand and not think about it, but, that would be foolish.

You just don't get it... Your not Texan.

I don't think the values of looking before you leap is somehow Alien to Texans. I grew up in Texas... don't tell me what I do or don't get.

Texas as more than adequate space to take care of itself... We have a year round growing season, natural resources , and as it was said before if the feds want land of ours that they claim as theirs well them They will just have to come and take it.

So can you enumerate to me how Texas will sustain itself without commerce with the Union? The Feds will not have to go after any land, I never even intimated at that.

We operated as an independent nation before and can do so again.

There is huge difference between that time and now. That was the time of Cattle, that was a time before joining a union. Ever see what happens to folks after a divorce? Much different than before marriage.

Why are you so bitterly opposed to the Idea... What scares you abouit it... Its not like we would Invade the AFE.... No if a peaceful solution could be worked out every texan would just rather it be peaceful... Yall on your side of the border with you lovely FED and us on our own... making our own way in this world.

First... I'm not opposed to it as a US Citizen. I only said it would be foolish for Texas to do so. You seem to take critical thinking as opposition. They are not the same thing. Only arrogance sees them as the same thing.



[edit on 23-9-2009 by HunkaHunka]

Just felt I would put my unworthy two cents into this debate. For all of those that think that Texas couldn't be self sufficient, well, you just don't know the resources that state produces. They could EASILY be self sufficient. They have enough people to support their borders and, it is my honest opinion, many of the surrounding states would actually be against attacking that state and its citizens. Their secession would send a mighty message to the people of this country. It would remind them of HOW the constitution was established and HOW the federal government is SUPPOSED to be working. Not for itself but for the states. Then the states work for the people.

That is where our federal government has gone so wrong.

[edit on 23-9-2009 by dariousg]

Texas couldn't be autonomous for one reason: water.

They're already having trouble and with population expectations to double by 2060, they have no way to meet those needs. They'd have to go to the desalination path and that's very expensive still.

And Texas is the largest recipient of federal assistance for disaster monies. Just wait until the first hurricane, flood, drought, wildfire or whatever.