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reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 08:24 AM by FlyersFan
I have to go out ... I'm on my way to the Farmers Market in Philly ... But I'll give you this to chew on ... some Scott McClellen quotes ...

Tribune

"In terms of the vice president, I don't know," McClellan said. "There's a lot of suspicion there."

Suspicion. No facts.

However, McClellan said he did not have direct knowledge of who specifically was responsible for the "culture of deception" he frequently referred to in his book.

"I do not know whether a crime was committed by any of the administration officials who revealed Valerie Plame's identity to reporters. Nor do I know if there was an attempt by any person or persons to engage in a cover-up during the investigation.''


Smith questioned McClellan's motives for writing the book: "It's hard to take Mr. McClellan or this hearing seriously. Despite what Mr. McClellan says regarding Iraq, three different studies... conclude that intelligence reports were not altered in the lead-up to the war.''

"Since Mr. McClellan has included no footnotes in his book and few direct quotes or written memos are cited, is this book just a typical opinion piece without evidence to support his assertions?'' Smith asked.


There are tons of such stories and quotes by McClellen.
He wrote a book based on insinuation and suspicion .
He gave no evidence and no quotes ... no back up.
He just wanted to make money and the best way was a hit piece on
an unpopular administration.

But this isn't a Scott McClellen thread ... it's your Fox thread.
So I'll stop there. As I said .. plenty of McClellen quotes out there ...
He even admits his book isn't fact.

I'm off to the Farmers Market. mmmmm ....


reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 08:46 AM by mental modulator
Originally posted by FlyersFan
I have to go out ... I'm on my way to the Farmers Market in Philly ... But I'll give you this to chew on ... some Scott McClellen quotes ...

Tribune

"In terms of the vice president, I don't know," McClellan said. "There's a lot of suspicion there."

Suspicion. No facts.

However, McClellan said he did not have direct knowledge of who specifically was responsible for the "culture of deception" he frequently referred to in his book.

"I do not know whether a crime was committed by any of the administration officials who revealed Valerie Plame's identity to reporters. Nor do I know if there was an attempt by any person or persons to engage in a cover-up during the investigation.''


Smith questioned McClellan's motives for writing the book: "It's hard to take Mr. McClellan or this hearing seriously. Despite what Mr. McClellan says regarding Iraq, three different studies... conclude that intelligence reports were not altered in the lead-up to the war.''

"Since Mr. McClellan has included no footnotes in his book and few direct quotes or written memos are cited, is this book just a typical opinion piece without evidence to support his assertions?'' Smith asked.


There are tons of such stories and quotes by McClellen.
He wrote a book based on insinuation and suspicion .
He gave no evidence and no quotes ... no back up.
He just wanted to make money and the best way was a hit piece on
an unpopular administration.

But this isn't a Scott McClellen thread ... it's your Fox thread.
So I'll stop there. As I said .. plenty of McClellen quotes out there ...
He even admits his book isn't fact.

I'm off to the Farmers Market. mmmmm ....


OK

that first quote reads sort of funny...

how about context?

So Scott is a liar?

you make is sound like his book is fiction based - "GEORGE and DARTH"

Don't know FF - I think you are doing what we do here - I will point out again the many public statements to underscore his statements....

Watch the video -

I'm not trying to sell you with this thread - I am trying to get the tea baggers on this thread so I can see if the NON PARTISAN stuff is honest.

I'm sold on FOX's status as you are hot for Jon G and his where abouts.

I want tea baggers to defend fox or to shed um-



reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 09:04 AM by jdub297
reply to post by mental modulator



Anyone who solely relies on ANY mainstream media for their information is being misled.

Some willfully submit, hence the various supporters for one outlet or another.

I suggest that any advocate for any outlet is a dupe or advocate, there is no middle ground.

I've seen good reporting on CBS and bad reporting on FOX. So what?

It's like having a favorite cereal or intoxicant. Your choice does not make either the best or the others the worst.

Unless you've already been proselytized. Then, you have no credibility anyway. They can feed you fedes on a spoon and you'd love it!

Deny Ignorance!

[edit to add feces]
jw

[edit on 16-4-2009 by jdub297]


reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 09:13 AM by crmanager
reply to post by mental modulator



You SLAY me...

You use quotes from PRISON PLANET and HUFFINGTON POST to discredit Fox then say

the BBC and CNN is the truth.

Funniest thing I have read in MONTHS!!!!! Stop it I can't take it...my RIBS hurt from laughing...


Stop it...


No really you are a comedic GENIUS.



Knock, knock.

Who's there?

A clueless left leaning, anti-American, kool aid drinker....


reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 09:15 AM by jsobecky
reply to post by mental modulator



I don't understand how you take analyst's views and try to paint them as 'news'.

FOX's hard news is as objective as any media's.

Their analyst views are as biased as any media. No more and no less.

There is a big difference between the two.



reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 09:24 AM by mental modulator
Originally posted by jdub297
reply to
post by mental modulator



Anyone who solely relies on ANY mainstream media for their information is being misled.

Some willfully submit, hence the various supporters for one outlet or another.

I suggest that any advocate for any outlet is a dupe or advocate, there is no middle ground.

I've seen good reporting on CBS and bad reporting on FOX. So what?

It's like having a favorite cereal or intoxicant. Your choice does not make either the best or the others the worst.

Unless you've already been proselytized. Then, you have no credibility anyway. They can feed you fedes on a spoon and you'd love it!

Deny Ignorance!

[edit to add feces]
jw

[edit on 16-4-2009 by jdub297]


I am just trying to point out that FOX is not "FAIR and BALANCED" - I believe they (fox) are trying to capitalize on a movement that does not represent CONSTITUTIONALIST political objectives. I believe FOX has latched on to this movement to further certain political objectives, one of them being GOP resurgence in one or all three houses of the government.

I think the fact that RPers and libertarians are going to be very disappointed with the results of their movement. Which will be the GOP ( one of the two evil parties) regaining a strong foothold in active government. The movement as I understand it is an attempt to be POST PARTISAN I believe. FOX's motive is not
a post partisan cooperation - it is the same old Partisan stuff we all know.

I also dislike FOX on a personal level...

I understand many want the GOP back in power, it will happen with time...

Pardon no sleep in 36 hours

I'll be back


reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 09:36 AM by mental modulator
Originally posted by crmanager
reply to
post by mental modulator



You SLAY me...

You use quotes from PRISON PLANET and HUFFINGTON POST to discredit Fox then say

the BBC and CNN is the truth.

Funniest thing I have read in MONTHS!!!!! Stop it I can't take it...my RIBS hurt from laughing...


Stop it...


No really you are a comedic GENIUS.



Knock, knock.

Who's there?

A clueless left leaning, anti-American, kool aid drinker....


"Anti American" - You prove the OPs point sire - star for you

BTW I'm completely the wrong feller to be clowning upon - when I awake latter I will
show you a thing or two about creative foolishness.

anyhow why in the hell are all of you descending on me like a pack of wolves???

protecting Brit Hume???

This feller got the hots I suspect...

At least you didn't say grape kool aide though

Also - I have made two foes with this???

Already?

You guys must be share holders...

Will have some fun latter mr funny man.


reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 09:39 AM by jdub297
reply to post by crmanager



Funny, you took some of the words right out of my mouth. We must have been writing at the same time, but I tend to run on and you were right to the point! (I could start a killer thread on this one: "Do ATSers see each others' files")

Posers are so easily exposed, no?

They always try to "reveal" just the right picture, but if you look behind the curtain, you see what/who is pulling the strings!

I'm really very new to ATS, but am amazed by the plethora of idiots who think they can be objective. Our schools have really dropped the ball.

I thank Zeus that I was born when I was and had a real education from teachers who didn't feel the need to politicize or blind their students.

Sometimes it's amusing to see this stuff, but some of it is truly terrifying!

"Did Jupiter Ignite" runs dozens of pages, yet "Mexican Border" gets barley a nod. What a trip.

Good sleuthing. s4u.

Deny ignorance.

jw


reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 09:45 AM by mental modulator
Originally posted by jdub297
reply to
post by crmanager



Funny, you took some of the words right out of my mouth. We must have been writing at the same time, but I tend to run on and you were right to the point! (I could start a killer thread on this one: "Do ATSers see each others' files")

Posers are so easily exposed, no?

They always try to "reveal" just the right picture, but if you look behind the curtain, you see what/who is pulling the strings!

I'm really very new to ATS, but am amazed by the plethora of idiots who think they can be objective. Our schools have really dropped the ball.

I thank Zeus that I was born when I was and had a real education from teachers who didn't feel the need to politicize or blind their students.

Sometimes it's amusing to see this stuff, but some of it is truly terrifying!

"Did Jupiter Ignite" runs dozens of pages, yet "Mexican Border" gets barley a nod. What a trip.

Good sleuthing. s4u.

Deny ignorance.

jw


Posing as what???

A liberal

A terrorist Lover commie socialist liberal lazy???

I am what I am- I make NO bones about it-

Your the one trying to step in softly so you can kick me with great "surprise"
FOX is propaganda

the three sources NPR - CSPAN and PBS represent REAL news

NO CORPORATE shilling there

But I suspect you like your bias and a little bit of corporate with your shill, a?

Fine with me

just don't tell me it is NEWS


reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 09:47 AM by jdub297
reply to post by mental modulator



You get some sleep, you must need it. When you come back, see the post above your reply to me.

1st Rule: "Analysis" and "Commentary" are not "News."
2nd Rule: The Big 3 Networks' "News" is now "Commentary."

It is no longer objective and is a violation of the trust given them when they were first granted bandwidth in the kHz spectrum.

They should be ashamed, but instead they gloat.

Deny ignorance.

jw


reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 09:51 AM by mental modulator
Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to
post by mental modulator



I don't understand how you take analyst's views and try to paint them as 'news'.

FOX's hard news is as objective as any media's.

Their analyst views are as biased as any media. No more and no less.

There is a big difference between the two.


Until you do this


"Two thousand protesters gathered on the washington mall last week, SOME WOULD CALL THEM UNPATRIOTIC TRAITORS but they were there to protest the..."

YOU see that was a FOX NEWS broadcast-

the subtle interjection of rhetoric sandwiched in between "factual accounting"


its not a secret guys.

Be happy and proud , just don't try to BS me or others.... I just want to point this out to
the POST PARTISAN TEA people... they can decide for themselves -don't you think?



reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 09:52 AM by mental modulator
Originally posted by jdub297
reply to
post by mental modulator



You get some sleep, you must need it. When you come back, see the post above your reply to me.

1st Rule: "Analysis" and "Commentary" are not "News."
2nd Rule: The Big 3 Networks' "News" is now "Commentary."

It is no longer objective and is a violation of the trust given them when they were first granted bandwidth in the kHz spectrum.

They should be ashamed, but instead they gloat.

Deny ignorance.

jw


10 - 4

have a good day

see you then

I will be working on a hum dinger...


reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 09:54 AM by jsobecky
reply to post by mental modulator





NPR is news only in the sense that they report only the facts.

Example:

"In ABCDE today, x civilians were killed when a bomb exploded in a downtown marketplace".

How can you argue with that?

It's only when someone starts analyzing it...who was responsible and why...that the arguments begin. There are always at least two sides to every story.


reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 10:02 AM by jsobecky
reply to post by mental modulator



But the fact is, some people would and do call the protesters unpatriotic traitors! How is that lying?

Hugo Chavez calls his detractors 'unpatriotic traitors' in front of the cameras.

He may be lying by calling them that.

But reporting on it is not lying.

Closer to home, DHS calls many of us 'right-wing extremists'. Is that true? No. Is reporting on it lying? No.
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