I'm not sure what is a reputable news source. My politics are left-leaning - to the point that I'm fairly sure a lot of Americans would describe me as a communist - but I don't necessarily buy into 'left wing' mainstream media such as the Guardian or the Independent. I read both papers but I'll also read the likes of the Daily Mail for different takes on the same stories - even if I don't necessarily agree with the analysis.

Even if it's not necessarily a strictly political agenda, it's interesting what gets covered and what doesn't get covered in all media outlets. For instance, the Independent - a paper that I can relate to an extent politically - who ran a couple of cutting pieces on the 'Innocent' brand of smoothie drinks 'selling-out' to Coca Cola also had a large advertorial (100 pages!) lifestyle magazine that came with the paper whilst those stories were running created by one of Coca Cola's biggest rivals, the owners of the Red Bull drink.

I'd read as much news as possible from a variety of sources and try and 'join the dots' as best as possible. I personally top that up with conspiracy outlets (but more for any investigative work or research rather than any particular conclusion as conspiracy writers are as subject to agenda as anyone else) as well as political and current affairs writing that is as equally scathing to all parties and institutions such as Private Eye.

[edit on 16-4-2009 by Merriman Weir]

It is not simply Fox news alone, it is any mainstream media compromised by censorship from its owners. The suspicious matter is the concert of the media on talking points, regardless of subject matter over a period of time. Of course this is contradictory, but when attached to the false right-left paradigm it is consistent with creation of a controlled opposition. These people of MSM accept that a "critical mass," of people, possibly only a few percent will select the meme of a culture. Naturally the larger media has been doing this for years through such programs as project mockingbird. We have to face the fact now after years that everything about current events is more or less wrong, even without exception to the spin of factual reporting about things such as the weather, and the latest "crimes." We cannot be certain stories are not fabricated with over toned events created by brainwashing typical criminals to do their thing as a specific time and to be caught. All the rhetoric about hypnosis not being able to perform against a personal better set of intentions is subject to a long period of work through compromised professionals, psychologists and psychiatrists being the least thoughtful, prescribing expensive pharmaceuticals instead of gentle therapy in the spirit of the horse whisperer. Again it is not simply Fox News, but all larger media, and those persuaded by it who are compromised to this fraudulent viewpoint of reality.

Originally posted by Merriman Weir
I'm not sure what is a reputable news source. My politics are left-leaning - to the point that I'm fairly sure a lot of Americans would describe me as a communist - but I'd don't necessarily buy into 'left wing' mainstream media such as the Guardian or the Independent. I read both papers but I'll also read the likes of the Daily Mail for different takes on the same stories - even if I don't necessarily agree with the analysis.

Even if it's not necessarily a strictly political agenda, it's interesting what gets covered and what doesn't get covered in all media outlets. For instance, the Independent - a paper that I can relate to an extent politically - who ran a couple of cutting pieces on the 'Innocent' brand of smoothie drinks 'selling-out' to Coca Cola also had a large advertorial (100 pages!) lifestyle magazine that came with the paper whilst those stories were running created by one of Coca Cola's biggest rivals, the owners of the Red Bull drink.

I'd read as much news as possible from a variety of sources and try and 'join the dots' as best as possible. I personally top that up with conspiracy outlets (but more for any investigative work or research rather than any particular conclusion as conspiracy writers are as subject to agenda as anyone else) as well as political and current affairs writing that is as equally scathing to all parties and institutions such as Private Eye.

I'm glad you are an independently minded fellow

DID you watch outfoxed - the first video?

I think it goes very far to give context to all of things as of current...

What is Private eye BTW?

Originally posted by SkipShipman
It is not simply Fox news alone, it is any mainstream media compromised by censorship from its owners. The suspicious matter is the concert of the media on talking points, regardless of subject matter over a period of time. Of course this is contradictory, but when attached to the false right-left paradigm it is consistent with creation of a controlled opposition. These people of MSM accept that a "critical mass," of people, possibly only a few percent will select the meme of a culture. Naturally the larger media has been doing this for years through such programs as project mockingbird. We have to face the fact now after years that everything about current events is more or less wrong, even without exception to the spin of factual reporting about things such as the weather, and the latest "crimes." We cannot be certain stories are not fabricated with over toned events created by brainwashing typical criminals to do their thing as a specific time and to be caught. All the rhetoric about hypnosis not being able to perform against a personal better set of intentions is subject to a long period of work through compromised professionals, psychologists and psychiatrists being the least thoughtful, prescribing expensive pharmaceuticals instead of gentle therapy in the spirit of the horse whisperer. Again it is not simply Fox News, but all larger media, and those persuaded by it who are compromised to this fraudulent viewpoint of reality.

I agree I singled out FOX because I have noticed certain patterns -

After watching the first 30 min of the 1st VIDEO I felt very compelled to post this all
EYE opening to say the least...

[edit on 16-4-2009 by mental modulator]

Almost done with the first video OUTFOXED-

WOW -JUST WOW

I feel sorry for the protestors -

GOOD GOD

I think that Fox is a different sort of news source, but that does not mean people should not exercise their right to watch it. Yes, some people may just not understand that there is a world outside of Glenn Beck. Kind of the same way some people don't know there is a world of music outside of MTV. Unfortunately, Fox news preaches to be the "conservative" source, when in fact even though I am a liberal, I think that there could be a conservative source that is more reliable and honest than Fox seems to be.

Also, we need to remember, people watch what is available and what they grow up with. For right-leaning Americans, Fox seems to be a better alternative than perhaps MSNBC or CNN, even though they may not agree with it. And eventually they get accustomed to now things run on Fox and it becomes a reality. And also, the typical flag-waving, apple-pie-eating, rifle-owning middle-American -seems- to watch and listen to Fox news. That's just how it goes, and it's not a small minority of people either. That takes me back to my points of 1) some people don't understand that there is a world outside of Fox news and 2) it attracts people who are not quite liberal enough for MSNBC or CNN, the leaners. I consider CNN to be less liberal than MSNBC, but still too liberal apparently for many conservatives.

I also think that Fox does something unfair. They point fingers, call names, and they have pretty people as their newscasters. In a way, it's like entertainment. I watch Glenn Beck. I do. I really do. It's like an entertainment, primetime show. That's how it reaches me and that's what it looks like, with the camera placement, the clever pauses, the script. It's not a news show, to me. It's a "these are my ideas and your ideas and we will repeat them a hundred times and protect these specific rights for these reasons no matter the consequences but we don't respect the rights of gays or people who want abortions, etc, and we go to Church and this is who we are as an American political group."

I don't often watch Fox if I'm looking to see what happened with a news story. If I want to know what happened, I don't want to hear political commentary, I don't want people voicing their opinions, not until I actually know what happened.

But maybe conservatives who are short on time want to hear their own opinions being repeated back at them even during live coverage. Maybe the conservatives are craving reassurance.

But I think it would be a big gift to our country to acquire an honest conservative news source. And then, the people who watch Fox, will be the same people who watch Maury and who criticize the liberals and who have one set unchanging notion of what they think America should be. I don't think they're progressive and I think that over time, based on the beliefs of my generation I think, they will be phased out except in some very small towns in the middle of the nation. I'm not saying that they should, I'm just saying that they're not trying very hard.

To some, Fox is a reputable news source. And it's sad and it's an insult to our intelligence as a country, I believe. There is no reputable news source, and the best thing we can do is take an average of what we hear and do independent research on issues from sources NOT like mainstream media.

Originally posted by ravenshadow13

I also think that Fox does something unfair. They point fingers, call names, and they have pretty people as their newscasters. In a way, it's like entertainment. I watch Glenn Beck. I do. I really do. It's like an entertainment, primetime show. .

HEY raven - thanks you know...

I started this thread because of all the Tea thingies - all these folks who are having their
message jacked by fox
anyhow IF you have time watch the first video

its 77 min by I swear to you it will open your eyes in a big way - especially being a liberal and all

I wouldn't BS you...

Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Originally posted by mental modulator
I'm glad you are an independently minded fellow

DID you watch outfoxed - the first video?

I think it goes very far to give context to all of things as of current...

No, whilst I'm genuinely interested in this, unfortunately my dial-up connection isn't.

What is Private eye BTW?

Private Eye is a fortnightly newspaper that's a mix of political satire and investigative journalism. It doesn't really have an editorial bias as such and is happy to write about any political party or corporation. There's always a different angle on news and politics that I never see in mainstream news and it makes connections between events and people without ever going into 'tinfoil hat' conspiracy territory.

It's the only 'dead tree' news that I actually still buy and I've been reading it off and on since the early 1980s. I once even started a thread on here trying to find out whether America or anywhere else had an equivalent.

I really can't recommend it enough to British* ATS members if they're not familiar with it already.

*It focuses a lot on British comings-and-goings (often digging into local governments that will mean nothing to foreign readers as with the 'Rotten Boroughs' regular feature) but it does cover a lot of the big international news stories too.

SORRY about the dial up my man...

Where can I perkier me one on them private eyes

very interested.

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
I think that Fox is a different sort of news source, but that does not mean people should not exercise their right to watch it. Yes, some people may just not understand that there is a world outside of Glenn Beck. Kind of the same way some people don't know there is a world of music outside of MTV. Unfortunately, Fox news preaches to be the "conservative" source, when in fact even though I am a liberal, I think that there could be a conservative source that is more reliable and honest than Fox seems to be.

Also, we need to remember, people watch what is available and what they grow up with. For right-leaning Americans, Fox seems to be a better alternative than perhaps MSNBC or CNN, even though they may not agree with it. And eventually they get accustomed to now things run on Fox and it becomes a reality. And also, the typical flag-waving, apple-pie-eating, rifle-owning middle-American -seems- to watch and listen to Fox news. That's just how it goes, and it's not a small minority of people either. That takes me back to my points of 1) some people don't understand that there is a world outside of Fox news and 2) it attracts people who are not quite liberal enough for MSNBC or CNN, the leaners. I consider CNN to be less liberal than MSNBC, but still too liberal apparently for many conservatives.

I also think that Fox does something unfair. They point fingers, call names, and they have pretty people as their newscasters. In a way, it's like entertainment. I watch Glenn Beck. I do. I really do. It's like an entertainment, primetime show. That's how it reaches me and that's what it looks like, with the camera placement, the clever pauses, the script. It's not a news show, to me. It's a "these are my ideas and your ideas and we will repeat them a hundred times and protect these specific rights for these reasons no matter the consequences but we don't respect the rights of gays or people who want abortions, etc, and we go to Church and this is who we are as an American political group."

I don't often watch Fox if I'm looking to see what happened with a news story. If I want to know what happened, I don't want to hear political commentary, I don't want people voicing their opinions, not until I actually know what happened.

But maybe conservatives who are short on time want to hear their own opinions being repeated back at them even during live coverage. Maybe the conservatives are craving reassurance.

But I think it would be a big gift to our country to acquire an honest conservative news source. And then, the people who watch Fox, will be the same people who watch Maury and who criticize the liberals and who have one set unchanging notion of what they think America should be. I don't think they're progressive and I think that over time, based on the beliefs of my generation I think, they will be phased out except in some very small towns in the middle of the nation. I'm not saying that they should, I'm just saying that they're not trying very hard.

To some, Fox is a reputable news source. And it's sad and it's an insult to our intelligence as a country, I believe. There is no reputable news source, and the best thing we can do is take an average of what we hear and do independent research on issues from sources NOT like mainstream media.

What I have come to realize and now much more so - is that FOX and everything about it is designed for specific purposes.

Example

think straight news cast

Two thousand people protested the Iraq war today in DC "Some might think that those people are unpatriotic and against our troops" - the protestors demanded....

YOU see - that was FOX -

The " video" has many former employees who actually explain the purpose of every graphic, timing, music - It just propaganda - pure

the problem is many think it is actually news - when its closer to beef jerky

Originally posted by mental modulator
I agree I singled out FOX because I have noticed certain patterns -

That's nice. Have you also noticed patterns from MSNBC?

Since you seem to be so vigilant, how about one of these threads on MSNBC? That'd be really easy pickings.

BTW .. You might want to leave Scott McClellen off your quote list.
As a source of info on how FOX is so allegedly corrupt .. he's lousy.
He even admits that his book is unsubstantiated and just rumor.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by mental modulator
I agree I singled out FOX because I have noticed certain patterns -

That's nice. Have you also noticed patterns from MSNBC?

Since you seem to be so vigilant, how about one of these threads on MSNBC? That'd be really easy pickings.

BTW .. You might want to leave Scott McClellen off your quote list.
As a source of info on how FOX is so allegedly corrupt .. he's lousy.
He even admits that his book is unsubstantiated and just rumor.

BTW if anyone would like to protest other MSM TV stations feel free to start a thread here on ATS

did you ready fire aim there FF - I got you covered - tis from the bottom of my OP.

Anyhow you really should watch that vid - I am certain it would NOT change your views
but it is fascinating. If FOX news wasn't so evil in my eyes I would nominate it for
an award of slick genius - makes Bubba look like sandpaper.

BTW he's lousy???

I know its early so...

Get some cwoffeey

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by mental modulator
I agree I singled out FOX because I have noticed certain patterns -

BTW .. You might want to leave Scott McClellen off your quote list.
As a source of info on how FOX is so allegedly corrupt .. he's lousy.

So ( BUSH ) chose a liar to do all the speaking on behalf of the most powerful position on EARTH? I would think such a position would be awarded to a rather pristine feller wouldn't you. Cause I think you're trying to say Scott is a dud and a lop...



Tell me the truth now - did FOX tell you this...

Anyhow link it up here and lets do it!

BTW that first line.. I learned the FOX formula - turns things around good huh.

try this

"Some people might say that the protesters who met on the north law are unpatriotic
terrorist lovers, but as they chanted the words "no more war" repeatedly..."


YOU SEE

thats so cool

thats FOX - its not black magic after all

[edit on 16-4-2009 by mental modulator]

Originally posted by mental modulator
BTW he's lousy??? I know its early so... Get some cwoffeey

McClellen admitted that he has no proof about his Fox Network allegations. When the book came out he tried to weasle both ends of the audience. In other words .. he got caught stepping in a pile of crap. His allegations may or may not have been true, but the tool just mumbled through and said he couldn't prove anything. It was really pathetic.

So yes, he's a lousy source. By his own admission.

As for FOX .. yep, it's skewed to the right.
As for CNN .. yep, it's skewed to the left (but not as much as it used to be).
As for MSNBC .. yep, it's BEYOND REPAIR.

The reason why I suggested that YOU start a MSNBC thread was because you seem so gosh darn vigilant this morning and I just know you'd love to expose MSNBC for the corrupt organization it is .... being the fair and balanced person that you are and all.