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Skeptics and Believers dont exist

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posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 09:22 PM
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so are alot of other people. the evidence they dig up is just as convincing to them as they evidence you dig up.

i wonder how many people who believe in macro evolution, religiously, have ever actually found any of the "evidence" themselves, or have ever taken part in dating the evidence, or have considered any other possible explanation for the evidence.

once you know it all, who can tell ya anything else, other than those you already agree with AND in such a scenario, the earth is the center of the universe all over again. just thought you might like to recognize the tendency.




posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 10:08 PM
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sky floating i think i speak for alot of ATS'ers when i say i really enjoy the way that you think

I think you hit a NERVE for "skeptics" especially when you stated that beliefs should be non-biased and not seen as true or false....i.e and * represented in the mind* thru varying degrees of likeliness

i think in a lot of cases their may be a lack of peace of mind associated with the inherent uncertainty that having a belief based on varying degress of likeliness may welcome........that right there would serve as a MAJOR road block to a more unbiased thinking perspective .......I think the only way to get around that......s to prove to the mind that you have every intention of protecting yourself yet you value to LEARN new perspectives and for this learning which is very rewarding (pleasurable) you need to be unbiased.......in other words i think the skeptics beleif system (while the believers is flawed as well)......is in a lot of circumstances difficult to change and is sometimes more of a protection mechansim against uncertainty's......that they may not have found a way (or tried ) to find a way to representent in ther mind the option of uncertainty's in a comfortable way........and once you get stuck thinking in a way that works for you (gives you peace of mind and "happiness") the will to change what may not seem broken .....coupled with the lack of "manual" for altering the belief system makes changing a belief system a daunting task most likely occuring after some type of "nervous breakdown" with the most likely "rebooting" into a new belief system often being the most "known" and visible .....which may often be the "born again life raft" with God serving as a powerful anchor to give peace of mind......although there are many options for new belief system's after a NBreak down if someone is able to accept responsibility .....forgive themselves.......and have good intentions (intentions from the "heart") and will to move forward and enjoy life...i believe these good intended thoughts have the most creative (in creating your life in the physical plane type of way) and thus .. powerful thought energy is generated from the heart ....maybe that's where the saying "love conquers all" comes from......it really doesn't matter what words we attach to such strong pure "energy" in a sense that ....it depends on what the individual knows about and is willing to believe....but many beleif systems can potentially work

rant off


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posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 10:13 PM
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i suspect you are a Philos-O-Raptor!!!

perhaps if you look into past lives through the evolutionairy thread you will find this to be true through reincarnation!

this is more philosophy and I dont know why its in this forum.



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 11:03 PM
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Too bad science has it's roots in philosophy.
You really should know the history and basis of the thing you idolize.
OR do you discount men like Sir Karl Popper?

[edit on 16-4-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 11:30 PM
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To OP...Everything you said in your first post is quite possibly one of the most intelligent, self realizations i have heard on this website. I even bookmarked and saved your post to a Word file.. Just so i may quote you in the future. Thank you for sharing this info with us, its horrible to hear that we have so many skeptics and so many hive-minded people on such a free website and on this Earth.. it hurts me to see how low the human species has fallen within the past 50 years... i would say our race SHOULD fall in defeat and die out.. we have done nothing but destroy everything on this Earth and many of the worlds minds have been corrupted by truth's that hold no value... Its sad.. very sad



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 11:55 PM
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Sir Karl Popper
quite frankly sir that sounds made up. and either way i dont care who some old fart was back in history i care about the now since i ride the rush of science like adrenaline through my veins.

not to mention you cant just declare science to be philosophy. i mean when im in lab growing crystals or performing an nmr or studying anatomy i can assure you it has nothing to with what is or isnt real. anyhow your invalid and argument is invalid since like all philosophy it has no end to it all you do is pick a side that is constructed from the argument then conceptualize it to fit a persons outlook on the world. threrefore it wont put food in the mouths of ethiopians or clothe the homeless so philosphy is pointless and hated because it doesnt do anything then serve the primitive need of the brain for activity. i suggest tetris for that or if you like perhaps some gears of war, maybe fancy a good ol game of grand theft auto to stimulate those neurons and increase the firing response along the mylenin sheeth.

Oh i can go all day!

philosophy is an argument not a science. end of story
EPIC WIN I GET MUCH LULZ!



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 12:09 AM
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*face palm*
Please, please, please tell me you did not just type that. Karl Popper's ideas are key to the scientific method as it is currently intrepreted. Here, deny ignorance. Sir Karl Popper @ Wikipedia.org Science is not reality I hate to tell you friend. Science is mankind's systematic attempt at understanding reality.
Might want to at least undertand the thing you deify dontcha think?


[edit on 17-4-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 12:55 AM
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your using circular logic for your reasoning.

ugh who cares who he is he made a system wow i dont go and send the plumber who put the pipes in my condo a gift basket everyday and i dont care who he is either.

philosophy is for people who like to argue and that is a fact. not only that but they dont help society by holding it back with their radical left wing agenda about how america is nto the greatest country on earth.

lets just face facts that science is what furthers knowledge and allows you to type on that computer over there and the internet if it was up to philosophers or wishful thinkers we would never have advanced to an age where porn is simply a mouse click away!


P.S.- thanks for the link it put me to sleep, i do science all day everyday and its not witchcraft or whatever you think it is. who do you think invented semi conductors? not a bunch of elitists liberals sitting around a french salon debating are we here or not.

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posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 02:14 AM
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Circular logic? You seem unclear about the meaning of the word. Though it's funny that you would accuse me of logical fallacy *however ignorantly applied* considering logical fallacy and indeed logic has it's basis in philosophy as does really any serious question as to what why we believe what we believe to be fact.
I never claimed that science was philosophy but instead infered that science and philosophy is intimately tied, which they are despite your confusion of science with technology *aka applied science*. And claiming to be a scientist doesn't make you one anymore than claiming to be a banana makes you a banana.

This might interest you though I imagine another scoff is forthcoming:

Epistemology is concerned with the nature and scope of knowledge, and whether knowledge is possible. Among its central concerns has been the challenge posed by skepticism and the relationships between truth, belief, and justification.

SOURCE:en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 04:14 AM
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Originally posted by tigpoppa
this is more philosophy and I dont know why its in this forum.


Because it directly addresses word-games and conflicts seen on 10 000+ threads of this Forum.

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Great read everybody


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posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 04:19 AM
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Hey look on the bright side people, whoever is right or wrong here is of no great consequence, whats good is that we're all sharpening our skills and teaching each other in the process.

"Through teaching, I am taught"



[edit on 4/17/09 by mortalengine]



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 05:48 AM
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post removed for serious violation of ATS Terms & Conditions



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 06:09 AM
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"once you know it all, who can tell ya anything else, other than those you already agree with AND in such a scenario, the earth is the center of the universe all over again. just thought you might like to recognize the tendency."

That's the attitude I keep running into here. "I believe, and that's that." All I've been asking is "how do you support that?", "what evidence do you have?" And that, apparently, is a sin.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 06:20 AM
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Lets look at two scenarios:

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1

"Hi. An ET just landed in my Garden and gave me superpowers"

Gawdzilla: "Where's your evidence?"




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2

"Hi. I would like to speculate on the possibility of extraterrestrial life and the different types of ETs there might be"

Gawdzilla: "Wheres your evidence?"





posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 06:21 AM
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Originally posted by mortalengine
Hey look on the bright side people, whoever is right or wrong here is of no great consequence, whats good is that we're all sharpening our skills and teaching each other in the process.

"Through teaching, I am taught"



In the grand scheme of things, all viewpoints have value.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 06:22 AM
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Originally posted by theversifier
YOU UNBELIEVABLE IDIOT. THE BRAINLESS DOLT WHO STARTED THIS THREAD MUST BE DISOLVED IMMEDIATELY.
I MEAN, COME ON WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, WHAT IS ANYONE HERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU ALL NEED TO GET JOBS AND OCCUPY YOUR MINDS WITH SOME SENSE, OR JUST END IT ALL, PLEASE!
IVE SEE SOME REALLY SILLY THREADS ON THIS SITE OVER THE TIME, BUT THIS TAKES THE BISCUIT. -100,000,000 / 10


Imagine for a moment that there's nothing you can do to stop these threads from being posted...wouldn't that really piss you off?



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 06:24 AM
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I see we're getting hyperfocused on a few statements I've made and ignorning others. I'm sorry if asking for evidence perturbs some people. But the mere act of asking for evidence is not, despite their fears, an aggressive act, it just means, "why do you think that"? "Why" is the most important word in the human lexicon, it propels us, it challenges us, it drives us, and it set goals. If you stop asking "why", you stagnate, stop thinking, and spiral into complacency. I will never stop asking "why".



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 06:27 AM
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Of course. The word "evidence" is loaded. A button-pusher. Main reason being is that most people come here to have a chat or engage in wild speculation without the restraints of science or consensus-reality. So they get really, really, really pissed off when someone wants to turn a lighthearted flight of fancy into what they would associate with a boring school classroom.

You're correct to ask "why do you believe that"...but dont expect people to embrace you with open arms



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 06:35 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by Gawdzilla
 


Of course. The word "evidence" is loaded. A button-pusher. Main reason being is that most people come here to have a chat or engage in wild speculation without the restraints of science or consensus-reality. So they get really, really, really pissed off when someone wants to turn a lighthearted flight of fancy into what they would associate with a boring school classroom.

You're correct to ask "why do you believe that"...but dont expect people to embrace you with open arms


I don't expect people to do anything, not even answer my questions. I'm am, however, interested in the ones who do. First, everyone has their own perspective, and each has the potential to be interesting. Second, who knows, one of them might have something convincing to say. I may get frustrated, but I'll never give up hope.

People, nobody is demanding that you respond to my questions, but please, in turn, don't demand that I don't ask them. Don't be as close-minded as you claim others are.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 06:54 AM
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Quite the argument you two have going, but technically you're both right.

When proof is not present, it's wrong to label one or oneself as either a skeptic or believer, because it simply comes down to the topic of discussion.

When proof is not present, it's just as wrong to label one another as wrong or right, because it simply comes down to opinion.



Cheers.



- Strype

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