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Originally posted by Kombatt98
Hold on! You said Canada defeated the US and now your saying its a stalemate ? Please get your facts straight. You cant have a stalemate and a defeat at the same time.
Canada defeated you , because , you failed to conquer Canada despite your goal to do so
Originally posted by Kombatt98
First and foremost the British tried to involve themselves but they failed to do so because of Lincoln's diplomacy. Second, even if the British tried to start something they would have again lost because the US had vastly increased our military after the above war you mentioned and was in much better shape to fight than in 1812.
more make believe scenarios huh?
[edit on 17-4-2009 by Kombatt98]
Maybe you need to actually read history rather than imagine it ?
The war had nothing to do with the USA invading Canada, it have everything to do with American expansion West of the Mississippi.
Conquering Canada The primary goals of the War of 1812 were conquering Florida, at the time native American territory, and Canada, then British territory. Although the U.S. ostensibly went to war over maritime issues, John Randolph of Virginia noted, "Agrarian cupidity, not maritime rights, urges this war. Ever since the report of the Committee on Foreign Relations came into the House, we have heard but one eternal monotonous tone - Canada! Canada! Canada! Not a syllable about Halifax, which unquestionably should be our great object in a war for maritime security." U.S. leaders were confident of easily taking over our neighbor to the north. William Eustis, the U.S. Secretary for War declared: "We can take the Canadas without soldiers, we have only to send officers into the province and the people . . . will rally round our standard." John C. Calhoun claimed that "In four weeks from the time that a declaration of war is heard on our frontier, the whole of Canada will be in our possession." James Madison similarly proclaimed that "[t]he acquisition of Canada this year will be a mere matter of marching," and Henry Clay boasted, "I trust I shall not be deemed presumptuous when I state that I verily believe that the militia of Kentucky are alone competent to place Montreal and Upper Canada at your feet." A variety of motives contributed to this sentiment. The Rev. McLeod described the war as "extending the principles of representative democracy – the blessings of liberty, and the rights of self-government – among the colonies of Europe." A Virginia newspaper (the Virginia Argus of Richmond) was more frank about the "advantages to be derived from the acquisition" of Canada, including "the suppression of a great deal of smuggling [and] the curtailment...of the British fur trade..." The U.S. had made feeble attempts during the Revolutionary War to invade Canada. In September of 1775, Col. Ethan Alan was taken prisoner during an unsuccessful attempt to capture Montreal. Three months later, Gen. Montgomery led an attack on Quebec during a blinding snowstorm; Montgomery was killed and Gen. Benedict Arnold was wounded. This attack also failed, and half the American forces were killed or wounded. Attempts to invade Canada during the War of 1812 failed even more spectacularly.
The Americans' initial ambition was to invade and conquer Canada.
Conclusion As in the Vietnam War, the U.S. considered its position at the end of the War of 1812 a draw. In retrospect, both wars could reasonably be considered a loss to this country, having failed in our expansionist goals, having lost ground to the "enemy," and having expended human lives and extraordinary resources for naught.
No just history. Maybe if you actually read enough of history you will actually understand. Start at the Trent Affair.
Originally posted by Donnie Darko
Originally posted by IAF101
More significantly however, the United States Supreme court has already ruled on this matter in Texas V White that despite Texas being a soverign nation, it CANNOT secede from the Union. No state can.
[edit on 16-4-2009 by IAF101]
That's because the Union is meant to be immortal by the Pledge.
"One nation, Under GOD, INDIVISIBLE, with liberty and justice for all."
The US government will not just let a state leave. They will beat them into submission.