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Governor Says Texans May Want to Secede From Union But Probably Won't

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posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 01:13 AM
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Governor Says Texans May Want to Secede From Union But Probably Won't


www.foxnews.com

Texas Gov. Rick Perry fired up an anti-tax "tea party" Wednesday with his stance against the federal government and for states' rights as some in his U.S. flag-waving audience shouted, "Secede!"

An animated Perry told the crowd at Austin City Hall -- one of three tea parties he was attending across the state -- that officials in Washington have abandoned the country's founding principles of limited government. He said the federal government is strangling Americans with taxation, spending and debt.
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posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 01:13 AM
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More stuff on the tax tea parties on Wednesday. It is interesting about how things are going with Texas. Seems that Perry may be playing politics again with jumping on the support bandwagon for the tea party movement and trying to set himself up for favoring future public office, or he is honest to goodness on our side and wants to see actual change in the federal government's managing style.
It would be interesting to see Texas take on the role of the Lone Star State once more as it is technically a sovereign nation that decided to join up with the union.

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posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by spec_ops_wannabe
...as it is technically a sovereign nation that decided to join up with the union.


The United States is like most gangs, you join for life. As one of my personal hero's eloquently and rightly said...

"...the power to annul a law of the United States, assumed by one State, incompatible with the existence of the Union, contradicted expressly by the letter of the Constitution, unauthorized by its spirit, inconsistent with every principle on which it was founded, and destructive of the great object for which it was formed. The Constitution forms a government, not a league. To say that any State may at pleasure secede from the Union is to say that the United States is not a nation."



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 01:47 AM
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Maybe he's just harping on the "futility" of secession.

I will say though, I do not support any secession movement that involves violence.



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 07:27 AM
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He's a bilderburger.

Even if he does secede he really hasn't.

He'll still be with the traitorous scum.

How many bilderburgers does our government have? It makes me sick to think of it.




posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 07:33 AM
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Can't say that I blame them. Considering the crap the so called 'leadership' of this country is pulling ... considering how We The People are being looted by the government ... considering everything ... Nope, can't blame them for wanting to secede at all.



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 07:36 AM
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Here's his Austin Speech. Which I actually enjoyed. I usually dont like the guy but he makes great points.



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 07:41 AM
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It would be great if Texas actually went ahead with it. It might cause a few more states to do the same thing. New union, new capital... somewhere in Texas?



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 08:28 AM
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That would be kinda scary if a state seceeded, I think. The military would be all over that like flies on something [yeah, you know what].

Texas isn't the only formerly independent nation to join the Union. Hawai'i was once a soverign kingdom. It's up for debate too if Texas willfully joined--since it was annexed by the US government, just like Hawai'i was. You can find people in Texas today who believe that it is still an independent nation!



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 08:32 AM
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Yeah the military would be all over the situation, but if more states joined in it probably would trigger a new revolution... that is unless it's stamped out real fast. Sometimes I think we need another Civil War. Tea Parties don't seem to be doing much so what is the next logical step? Peaceful demonstrations don't seem to do much, and I'm not pro-war but if they attack first, the people should have the right to defend themselves.



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 09:56 AM
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WestPoint23, I actually agree with you!

I don't take Rick perry's ramblings too seriously. He's in danger of losing this upcoming election and this is a ploy to solidify his Ted Nugent-loving base some more.

Its funny Texas had no problem being part of the union when their boy Bush was in office. Now that a Black liberal is an office for less than 100 days, they want to secede? Talk about conditional patriotism.

To be honest, I would not mind if Texas seceded. It would rid America of the immigration problem. Just make sure to build a pretty solid fence on the Texas-Oklahoma border.



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 10:14 AM
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If Texas left the Union where would we get our Presidents who destroy the social structure of our country and start pointless wars? Texas has been the symbol of everything I hate about this country since 2001 and frankly I don't care what Texas does as long as they keep to themselves.



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 10:23 AM
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We can only hope Texas will becomea nation again..........but here are some facts..

shieldamerica.org...


Q: Doesn't the Texas Constitution reserve the right of Texas to secede? [BACK TO TOP]
A: No such provision is found in the current Texas Constitution[1](adopted in 1876) or the terms of annexation.[2] However, it does state (in Article 1, Section 1) that "Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States..." (note that it does not state "...subject to the President of the United States..." or "...subject to the Congress of the United States..." or "...subject to the collective will of one or more of the other States...")

Neither the Texas Constitution, nor the Constitution of the united States, explicitly or implicitly disallows the secession of Texas (or any other "free and independent State") from the United States. Joining the "Union" was ever and always voluntary, rendering voluntary withdrawal an equally lawful and viable option (regardless of what any self-appointed academic, media, or government "experts"—including Abraham Lincoln himself—may have ever said).

Both the original (1836) and the current (1876) Texas Constitutions also state that "All political power is inherent in the people ... they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

Likewise, each of the united States is "united" with the others explicitly on the principle that "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" and "whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government" and "when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security." [3]


here is more infor....

from wiki answers


Actually Yes it can...Texas is a "Free and Independent State" which is what we saw back in the Civil war...no where in the constitution does it state we can't....or any other "Free and Independent States"....
Neither the Texas Constitiution, nor the constitution of US explicitly or implicitly disallows the secession of Texas (or any other "Free and Independent State") from the US. Joining the Union was ever and always VOLUNTARY, rendering voluntary withdrawal an equally lawful and viable OPTION. Regardless of what any self-appointed academic, media, or government "EXPERTS" ---INCLUDING Abraham Lincoln himself--may have ever said!

If you want to Read More go to : www.texassecede.com...



Those socialist like lincoln and obama who want to enslave many to pay the few will fight. Make no mistake socialisim is about making the masses think they have equal outcome, but in every single case where it has happened socialisim only help a very few at the top be "kings"...









[edit on 16-4-2009 by heliosprime]



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
WestPoint23, I actually agree with you!


I wish I had shampagne near.


Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
I don't take Rick perry's ramblings too seriously.


I don't either. I consider this whole thing a dishonest intellectual exercise in petty politics. Personally I would prefer we abolish the notion of "states" as they exist now, but that's another matter altogether. To me we're all Americans, and honestly, it feels like a slap in the face to have others even contemplating, much less advocating secession.



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 05:21 PM
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Senator Jim Webb and Senator Warner have both been contacted and sent a copy of my bill. The one that didnt have the clear spelling mistakes
. Seriously there is nothing the state can do if someone secedes from the state and visa versa theres nothing the government can do if the state secedes and decides to run its own affairs without the help of the federal government.

Even if texas doesnt secede just the fact its being discussed and talked about in the open shows progress.

Falcon



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by falcon
Seriously there is nothing the state can do if someone secedes from the state...


Actually, once upon a time several states did secede from the Nation. And seriously, something was done about it. More Americans died as a result of that conflict than all our other wars combined. Their blood has reaffirmed our eternal collective destiny.

One Sate, indivisible, with liberty and justice fall all.

The thing that's sad is the fact that some politicians are playing politics with such a sacred topic. And some American, instead of channeling their rightful opposition in more fruitful and productive ways, are sucking this up like a sponge. There is no legal or forceful way for Texas, or any other state, to secede.

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posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 07:35 PM
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Same rhetoric that comes after every Presidential election. The loosers want to secede and form their own little "country". This is just more sour grapes nonsense from the losers of the last presidential election.

The thing about democracy is it is also a lesson in defeat. For democracy to work, competition is required and as in every competition somebody looses. But what needs to be understood is while one party has lost in an election, the union as a whole always wins in this exercise of democracy.

More significantly however, the United States Supreme court has already ruled on this matter in Texas V White that despite Texas being a soverign nation and officially joining the Confederate States of America it is part of the Union, it CANNOT secede from the Union. No state can.


[edit on 16-4-2009 by IAF101]



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by IAF101

More significantly however, the United States Supreme court has already ruled on this matter in Texas V White that despite Texas being a soverign nation, it CANNOT secede from the Union. No state can.


[edit on 16-4-2009 by IAF101]


That's because the Union is meant to be immortal by the Pledge.

"One nation, Under GOD, INDIVISIBLE, with liberty and justice for all."

The US government will not just let a state leave. They will beat them into submission.



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 11:19 PM
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As I have said before....

Until a State kicks out every federal office except the post offices, then they are just playing politics. These "resolutions" mean nothing.

Oh, and more and more people are starting to realize that succession is actually a viable option. After all, they can form another Federal government, can't they.


At least one of the beautiful things out of the NH resolution was them claiming that the federal government had NO SAY in what they were talking about, because they were not a party to the original "contract" (i.e., the constitution), but are a creation of such a contract. In other words, they (fed. govt.) have about as much say in it as your car would in talks between you and your bank over your car loan.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 01:02 AM
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If any states that leave the Union want to survive, they will have to:

1. not get into war with the us government, and make sure the feds don't retaliate

2. form unions with other states




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