It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by Tentickles
While I cant reply to everyone one, I will say I have read every single word written since I last commented! A big thanks to everyone for telling their stories and offering advice to all those who have commented.
As to that guy a few pages back, iiinvision or something like that, while you clearly do not understand what depression is, I can see where you are coming from. Since "feeling sad" has become mainstream people throw around the words "I am feeling depressed!" way too much. It is like the way children use the word hate. Hate is a strong word! As is Depression.
The more appropriate words are usually dislike/envy and sad.
Originally posted by FritosBBQTwist
reply to post by mrwupy
You saying all doctors are JUST out to make a buck off of you is a bit over the top. I went to the doctor before, and have been told just to eat more of this, less of that, whatever...no meds though. Anyways...
Depressions, anxiety's, disorders, are all real. But, that does not make them an "illness" in my eyes. I never got medication, but I would more than guess (never had a prognoses) I was depressed and had anxiety a few years ago.
The best way to deal with it is not medicine though. It is fighting through it. While medicine may help, I do not think it is for everyone, or close to the majority. Only a few I feel should actually be taking meds for half the stuff people "have" these days. It is because these same people get dependent and think that they no longer have to deal with their problems, when that is the root of it to start with.
When 80% of people take these crazy medications over stupid things, I see it no differently than the alcoholic, trying to escape their pain and fear.
The real cure is love and support...and in regards to children, tossing random medications at them is not the love and support you should be giving, or want to be.
Now, I will use an example from myself. In my early teen years, I never wanted to go to school and would literally "freak" out. Missed many days...cops came, all that fun stuff.
Never took medication though. After a couple years, it was all past me. Make school all the time, perfect grades, job. Doing fine (I say so myself).
My sister is in the same situation. But, my parents have now put her on medications. What I see as a phase of ones life, it is now drugged up with unknown consequences. Guess what? She still has the problems - yet still takes the bullcrap medicine. Now that she has gotten an official label for "anxiety" - she thinks it is okay not to participate in school (at all).
It is people hiding from their fears. Most of the time, medicine will not cure it.
Originally posted by mkultraangel
In which state would you lose the right to carry firearms for admitting you had suicidal thoughts? I mean talking to someone over the phone (if it's let's say 4am and you have no one else to call OR you just don't have that many supportive people in your life at any time of the day or night) MAY BE a person's only option and it may save their life....think about it geez if you are going to "off yourself" what diff does it make if you can't get a license or do anything in the future--IF you won't be around anyway.....
I would hope that people don't die using your kind of logic which is -- don't reach out for help because at a later date, someone might not let you have a gun ok
One criticism of suicide hotlines in the past was that those who were determined to kill themselves were unlikely to call one. Also, those with social anxiety may not have the emotional resources to do so. Until recently, there was no evidence that the presence of suicide hotlines reduced the incidence of suicide.
Another issue is that crisis hotlines often contact local authorities. The fear of embarrassment from having the police involved can deter many people who would have otherwise called the hotline.
Bruce Ennis, an ACLU attorney who has represented people deprived of employment because of psychiatric stigma, argues that "In the job market, it is better to be an ex-convict than an ex-mental patient." He says "very few employers will knowingly hire an ex-mental patient." He points out that "Almost all public employers and most large companies ask job applicants if they have ever been hospitalized for mental illness" and that "If the answer is yes, the applicant will almost certainly not get the job". Mr. Ennis also points out that "if the applicant lies and says no, he runs the risk of eventual discovery". On this basis Mr. Ennis argues that "It is time for psychiatrists and judges to face the brutal facts.
When they commit a person to a mental hospital, they are taking away not only his liberty, but also any chance he might have for a decent life in the future." On the basis of his experience as an attorney for people saddled with psychiatric stigma he observes that "Even voluntary hospitalization creates so many problems and closes so many doors that an old joke takes on new truth - a person has to be crazy to sign himself into a mental hospital" (Bruce J. Ennis, Prisoners of Psychiatry: Mental Patients, Psychiatrists, and the Law, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1972, pp. 143-144).
Originally posted by Sonya610[/iAnd I would hope people that have no clue do not take YOUR advice and think it is soooo safe and easy to call a suicide hotline without realizing the possible life-altering consequences. Consequences like the the police showing up and LOCKING you up and having that on your record for the rest of your life because some do-gooder on an internet forum spewed for the "just call for help if you feel down" line without explaining the risks and serious problems that such an act could cause.
Throughout the conversation, Kat will probe for "lethality," as Letsom calls it - well-placed questions aimed at uncovering any past suicide attempts, the depth of current plans and possible methods at hand.
Scary answers trigger a scramble. With one phone in each ear, hot line workers continue to chat while alerting police. If a caller won't give up his or her location, the phone company is pulled in for a trace. Cell phones complicate things even further.
"We're toggling back and forth between lines, working the mute button, trying to keep it all going," Letsom says. "And we're still trying to sound calm, cool, friendly and collected."
Originally posted by Sonya610
With GPS tracking I would not trust a cell phone or anything else. People have been arrested for making off hand suicide comments ONLINE and having their IP traced.