Dig 'may reveal' Cleopatra's tomb

Dig 'may reveal' Cleopatra's tomb

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Archaeologists are to search three sites in Egypt that they say may contain the tomb of doomed lovers Anthony and Cleopatra.

Excavation at the sites, which are near a temple west of the coastal city of Alexandria, is due to begin next week.

Teams working in the area said the recent discovery of tombs containing 10 mummies suggested that Anthony and Cleopatra might be buried close by.

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The teams also found a bust of Cleopatra and coins carrying her image.

The archaeologists from Egypt and the Dominican Republic have been excavating at the temple of Taposiris Magna for the last three years.

'Charm'

There they discovered a series of deep shafts in which it is thought that Anthony and Cleopatra might be buried, Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities said in a statement.

Alongside the coins and bust of Cleopatra, a mask believed to belong to Mark Anthony was also found.

The temple was built during the reign of King Ptolemy II (282-246BC).

Anthony and Cleopatra committed suicide in 30BC after losing the Battle of Actium.

Zahi Hawass, Egypt's chief archaeologist, said the coins found at the temple refuted "what some scholars have said about Cleopatra being very ugly".

"The finds from Taposiris reflect a charm... and indicate that Cleopatra was in no way unattractive," he said.

A team of experts from Newcastle University said two years ago that another set of coins showed the beauty of Anthony and Cleopatra portrayed in popular culture to have been exaggerated

I find it very interesting that they could find the mummies, and also that cleopatra`s image has been restored. I thought I would share as it amazes me in this day and age that new dig sites are turning up things like this all of the time.

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Great find S&F.

However I wonder how much of the artificats and history will be kept from us if they do end up finding anything significant. I feel that we've been lied to by egyptologists and archeologists alike when it comes to our history and our knowledge of previous civilizations.

~Keeper

I think something like this, finding the coins showing cleopatra in a good light after her image being tarnished could be seen as a bit of a coincidence. Also I dont think there is many people around who can argue with a lot of the archeologists that are at the top of their field, therefore we will only get the discoveries that they want to show us.

I don't know why I thought this, but I thought years ago, they thought that their tombs may have been submerged? Didn't they find a lot of Ptolemy artifacts years ago in the harbor of Alexandria? I remember a Discovery Channel special on that years ago.

It is odd that her tomb has never been found. Since she was a late ruler, hers would seem to be one of the easier to find.

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Didn't they find a lot of Ptolemy artifacts years ago in the harbor of Alexandria? I remember a Discovery Channel special on that years ago.

You're thinking of the Lighthouse of Alexandria (one of the Ancient 7 Wonders of the World), some of the original masonry used to build that was recovered from the bottom of the ocean near the port of Alexandria recently by divers.

It collapsed as the result of an earthquake in the 1300's. It used to be the tallest building in the world for a few several hundred years.

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Nice find OP! I find these kinds of discoveries very fascinating I do hope they show us everything but I won't be surprised if that does not happen.

Ive read from other sources that she wore a magnet that rested over her third eye. I forget for what reasons, I think I read it was one of the reasons for her great personality, other reasons say it helped stop wrinkles...

Has anybody else heard of this ?

For myself this is really interesting. Not to take anything away from Cleopatra and Marc Anthony but the historian Dio Cassius records that Alexander the Greats tomb location is "nearby" the Ptolemaic tombs.

After defeating Marc Anthony and Cleopatra, Augustus was taken to Alexander's tomb and dedicated a wreath. Afterwards they asked him if he would like to see the Ptolmaic tombs, to which he replied 'I came to see a King not dead people.'

Therefore it seems plausible, that if they can find one, the others maybe nearby.

Like Augustus, I would rather see the king.

I’m going to be watching this with great interest.

Though funny as it may sound part of me hopes the tomb of these two lovers is never found.

Pulled in so many directions in life, I’d like to think they (and their remains) can find more peace in death - and if I understand their belief system - their rebirth together.

How I'd love to be able to look into the *crystal ball* as people say, for a moment in time as *see* first hand Cleopatra and Marc Anthony, what it was like to be alive in their day.

Thanks for a great thread.

There is a lot more i want to add regarding the previous posts, however work becons, I will update this later as I love the fact we could be moving closer to a discovery. Will add more tonite

Wow, my ancient history knowledge is out of whack... I could have sworn they already had Cleopatra's body.

... huh... good thing my profession isn't ancient history eh?

Sorry there has been a delay guys I have been busy with work, here is some of the stuff I wanted to add:

Cleopatra Ptolemy was the descendant of a line of Greeks stretching back to Ptolemy, the general of Alexander the Great. She was the last of this line and the last Pharaoh of Egypt. After her, Rome would rule Egypt.

Cleopatra was an Egyptian queen famous in history and drama, lover of Julius Caesar and later the wife of Mark Antony. She became queen on the death of her father, Ptolemy XII, in 51 BC, ruling successively with her two brothers Ptolemy XIII (51-47) and Ptolemy XIV (47-44) and her son Ptolemy XV Caesar (44-30). After the Roman armies of Octavian (the future emperor Augustus) defeated their combined forces, Antony and Cleopatra committed suicide, and Egypt fell under Roman domination. Her ambition no less than her charm actively influenced Roman politics at a crucial period, and she came to represent, as did no other woman of antiquity, the prototype of the romantic femme fatale.

The second daughter of King Ptolemy XII, Cleopatra was destined to become the last sovereign of the Macedonian dynasty that ruled Egypt between the death of Alexander the Great in 323 and its annexation by Rome in 31. Alexander’s marshal Ptolemy had founded the line. Cleopatra was of Macedonian descent and had no Egyptian blood, although she alone of her house took the trouble to learn Egyptian, and for political reasons regarded herself as the daughter of Re, the sun god. Coin portraits of her show a countenance alive rather than beautiful, with a sensitive mouth, firm chin, liquid eyes, broad forehead, and prominent nose. Her voice, says the Greek biographer Plutarch, "was like an instrument of many strings." He adds, "Plato admits four sorts of flattery, but she had a thousand." When Ptolemy XII died in 51, the throne passed to his 15-year-old son, Ptolemy XIII, and that king's sister-bride, Cleopatra. They soon had a falling out, and civil war ensued. Ptolemy XII had been expelled from Egypt in 58 and had been restored three years later only by means of Roman arms. Rome now felt that it had a right to interfere in the affairs of this independent, exceedingly rich kingdom, over which it had in fact exercised a sort of protectorate since 168. No one realized more clearly than Cleopatra that Rome was now the arbiter and that to carry out her ambition she must remain on good terms with Rome and its rulers. Thus when Caesar, the victor in the civil war, arrived in Egypt in October 48, in pursuit of Pompey (who, a fugitive from his defeat at Phrasal in Thessaly, had been murdered as he landed four days before), Cleopatra set out to captivate him. She succeeded. Each was determined to use the other. Caesar sought money--he claimed he was owed it for the expenses of her father's restoration. Cleopatra's target was power: she was determined to restore the glories of the first Ptolemy’s and to recover as much as possible of their dominions, which had included southern Syria and Palestine. She realized that Caesar was the strong man, the dictator, of Rome, and it was therefore on him that she relied. In the ensuing civil war in Egypt Caesar was hard-pressed by the anti-Cleopatra party, led by her brother, Ptolemy XIII, but Caesar eventually defeated them and reestablished the joint rule of brother and sister-wife. Caesar, having won his victory on March 27, 47, left Egypt after a fortnight's amorous respite. Whether Caesar was in fact the father of Cleopatra's son whom she called Caesarian cannot now be known.

It took Caesar two years to extinguish the last flames of Pompeian opposition. As soon as he returned to Rome, in 46, he celebrated a four-day triumph--the ceremonial in honor of a general after his victory over a foreign enemy--in which Arsinoe, Cleopatra's younger and hostile sister, was paraded. Munda, in 45, was the coup de grace. Cleopatra was now in Rome, and a golden statue of her had been placed by Caesar's orders in the temple of Venus Genetrix, the ancestress of the Julian family to which Caesar belonged. Cleopatra herself was installed by Caesar in a villa that he owned beyond the Tiber. She was accompanied by her husband-brother and was still in Rome when Caesar was murdered in 44. She behaved with a discretion that she was later to discard, and her presence seems to have occasioned little comment; officially she was negotiating a treaty of alliance. Cicero, the politician and writer, mentions her in none of his contemporary letters, though his later references to her show that he regarded her, as most Romans did, with rancor.

Caesar's assassination put an end to Cleopatra's first campaign for power, and she retired to Egypt to await the outcome of the next round in the Roman political struggle. When, at the Battle of Philippi in 42, Caesar's assassins were routed, Mark Antony became the heir-apparent of Caesar's authority--or so it seemed, for his great-nephew and personal heir, Octavian, was but a sickly boy. When Antony, bent on pursuing the eternal mirage of Roman rulers, an invasion of Persia, sent for Cleopatra, she was delighted. Here was a second chance of achieving her aim. She had known Antony when he had been in Egypt as a young staff officer and she had been 14. She was now 28 or 29 and completely confident of her powers. She set out for Tarsus in Asia Minor, loaded with gifts, having delayed her departure to heighten Antony's expectation. She entered the city by sailing up the Cydnus River in the famous barge that Shakespeare immortalized in Antony and Cleopatra. Antony was captivated, and Cleopatra subtly exploited his raffish and unstable character. Forgetting his wife, Fulvia, who in Italy was doing her best to maintain her husband's interests against the growing menace of young Octavian, Antony put off his Persian campaign and returned as Cleopatra's slave to Alexandria, where he treated her not as a "protected" sovereign but as an independent monarch. "Her design of attacking Rome by means of Romans," as one historian put it, "was one of such stupendous audacity that we must suppose that she saw no other way." Her first effort had been frustrated by Caesar's death; she felt now that she could win all by using the far more pliant and apparently equally powerful Antony. In Alexandria Cleopatra did all she could to pander to his weaknesses. They formed a society of "inimitable livers," whose members in fact lived a life of debauchery and foll

In 40 BC, Antony left Alexandria to return to Italy, where he was forced to conclude a temporary settlement with Octavian, whose sister Octavia (Fulvia having died) he married. Three years later Antony was convinced that he and Octavian could never come to terms. He went east again and again met Cleopatra; he needed her money for his postponed Parthian campaign. He then took the fatal step of marrying her. The union was not only utterly insulting to Octavia and her brother but in Roman law it was also invalid. Henceforward all Rome was united against him.

Meanwhile, during Antony's absence, Cleopatra had committed another act of disastrous folly. She had antagonized Herod of Judaea, by far the ablest, richest, and most powerful of the "protected" sovereigns, or "client kings," of Rome. Herod and Antony were old friends; but in the year 40, after Antony's departure, Cleopatra unsuccessfully tried to seduce Herod on his way through Egypt. Cleopatra never forgave him for the rebuff. She went much further: when she and Antony were reunited she persuaded him to give her large portions of Syria and Lebanon and even the rich balsam groves of Jericho in Herod's own kingdom. But Antony refused to sacrifice Herod wholly to Cleopatra's greed, whereupon she hated Herod more than ever and even interfered in his unhappy family affairs by intriguing against him with the women of his household. She made a tour of her new acquisitions, on which Herod received her with simulated delight; but she remained as jealous and hostile as ever, bitterly resentful that anyone other than herself should influence Antony. The fruit of her folly was soon to be gathered.

Cleopatra had merely acquiesced in the Parthian campaign: she sought other ways of spending her money. The campaign itself was a costly failure, as was the temporary conquest of Armenia. Nevertheless, in 34 Antony celebrated a fantastic triumph in Alexandria. Crowds beheld Antony and Cleopatra seated on golden thrones, with their own three children and little Caesarion, whom Antony proclaimed to be Caesar's son, thus relegating Octavian, who had been adopted by Caesar as his son and heir, to legal bastardy. Cleopatra was hailed as queen of kings, Caesarion as king of kings. Alexander Helios was awarded Armenia and the territory beyond the Euphrates, his brother Ptolemy the lands to the west of it. The boys' sister, Selene, was to be ruler of Cyrene. Octavian, now lord of the ascendant in Italy, seized Antony's will from the temple of the Vestal Virgins, to whom it had been entrusted, and revealed to the Roman people that not only had Antony bestowed Roman possessions on this foreign woman but had intended to transfer the capital from Rome to Alexandria, there to found a new dynasty.

Antony and Cleopatra spent the winter of 32-31 in Greece amid revels and dissipation. The Roman Senate deprived Antony of his prospective consulate for the following year. When it finally declared war against Cleopatra the un-wisdom of her policy against Herod was revealed, for she had contrived to embroil him with the King of Petra just when his ability and resources would have been of the utmost value to Antony. At the naval Battle of Actium, in which Octavian faced the combined forces of Antony and Cleopatra on Sept. 2, 31, Cleopatra suddenly broke off the engagement and set course for Egypt. Inevitable defeat followed. Antony went on board her flagship and for three days refused to see her; but they were reconciled before they reached Alexandria, styling themselves no longer "inimitable livers" but "diers together."

Cleopatra with all her subtlety, all her political foresight, had backed two losers, first Caesar and then Antony, to whose downfall she had notably contributed. Octavian now became the magnet. Cleopatra realized that she could neither kill Antony nor exile him. But she believed that if he could be induced to kill himself for love of her, they would both win undying renown. She retired to her mausoleum, and then sent messengers to Antony to say she was dead. He fell on his sword, but in a last excess of devotion had himself carried to Cleopatra's retreat, and there died, after bidding her to make her peace with Octavian.

When Octavian visited her, Cleopatra tried yet once again to captivate the leading Roman. She used all her arts; she failed. She knew, then, that Octavian intended that she and her children should adorn his triumph. Rather than be dragged through the city in which she had been borne as a queen, she killed herself, possibly by means of an asp, symbol of divine royalty. Octavian, on receiving her letter asking that she might be buried with Antony, sent messengers posthaste. "The messengers," Plutarch says, "came at full speed, and found the guards apprehensive of nothing; but on opening the doors they saw her stone dead, lying upon a bed of gold, set out in all her royal ornaments." She was 39 and had been a queen for 22 years and Antony's partner for 11. They were buried together, as both of them had wished, and with them was buried the Roman Republic.

In retrospect, Cleopatra's political career ended in utter failure. Had she been less ambitious she might have preserved her kingdom as a client, as her rival Herod did with complete success. In overreaching herself she ruined all. And yet it was this political failure that was to be transmuted into the grand original of the great lover, consecrated by the art of Shakespeare himself. The best epitaph on Cleopatra is that of the historian Dio Cassius: "She captivated the two greatest Romans of her day, and because of the third she destroyed herself."

Sources: history-world.org...

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Subject Update (27 January 2012)...

"Arab leaders boost Dominican archaeologist’s quest for Cleopatra"
www.dominicantoday.com...

I hope they finally find Cleo's tomb. That would have to be interesting.

Just as Eygpt's tourism hits rock bottom .....WHAM....Cleos tomb found.
This sadly i think will be just another tourism boostering ploy.

They better be carefull
or they might find the Tomb/body of

ALEXANDER THE GREAT.


yup,,

Me.

I love these kind of discoveries i wish they would have shown the bust of Cleopatra i would like to have seen that.. I know they found the remains of Princess Arsinöe ,Cleopatra sister ..Back on April 20, 2009 they found a alabaster carving of Cleopatra and Hawass was going to let National Geographic Society-sponsor the dig seems like they are taking there time on this dig they have had a good idea where she is buried for a long time..peace,sugarcookie1 S&F

Can you imagine the riches that could be burried with her in her tomb? Will they be sold or put in a museum?