Dear God no. What an ugly paint job. No, it was predominately white with a blue stripe and red on the tail, or vice versa. It's been almost a decade so...yeah, lot of water under the bridge since then.

Bingo. Pretty much identical to what I remember seeing. The reason I tried to call the airport for 4 hours (With no answer) was to see if one was landing at that time and to see if I could get a Flight # if so. At this late date, it's just something inexplicable I witnessed and there doesn't seem to be any avenue for research this late in the game. Still waiting for the OP to post again, I "know" my experience, I want to hear more about his if possible as this is verification, (For me at least), that I saw "something" that was a little bit more than out of the ordinary.

The harrier is seriously cool. I've seen it many times and the air show in St. Louis during the VP Fair. Serves as both a fighter jet and an attack helicopter. These things are fast as hell too.

Maybe some type of newbie alien race to the planet? Trying to disguise their craft as ours and they don't know ours are supposed to move FORWARD

Possibly a strong head wind, but even in these situations an aircraft doesn't slow down enough for it to look like it's motionless.

And Zena saw something similar too. What if it's something crazy to do with timetravel, like you or the plane got stuck in some kind of pause mode

I dunno!

Sorry if I am just seriously dense and have missed something here - but what is the relation to these janet flights that everyone keeps bringing up?

The videos show just planes, no stopping or amazing floating. The harrier is cool, but I think most people can tell the difference between a harrier and a commercial airliner.

But anyways, could someone please explain the link between those two things and expand on what a janet flight is. (other than a area 51 staff transport)

Was the landing gear down? Were the flaps extended? Was the plane pitched upward slightly, or downward? Also, can you give us a more precise location? Maybe locate it on Google Earth or something so I can see its relation to airports? Which direction was the plane heading in relation to yourself? For example, directly towards you, away, or otherwise? Did it appear to start moving as soon as you stopped, or afterwards? Was the plane heading in the same direction has the car? Can you remember how many engines it had? Did it have winglets (ends of the wing that stick upwards)?

Thank you.

Also some of them kingufokid videos were definately aircraft.... haven't watched them all went over download limit,

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(Another) Hologram perhaps?

Maybe you just witnessed a public testing of the latest technology eh!

If it did what you say it did..it's back to the drawing board for those guys.

[edit on 17/4/2009 by nerbot]

In 70's I was a Flight Instrument Instructor.
At Holloman AFB in New Mexico.
We were all Enlisted Airmen. NCO's
We were not allowed on the flight line.
They were worried we might get a wild hair & go for a joy ride.

One day 3 of us rented a small fixed wing prop plane in Alamogordo.
There was a constant straight wind at the small civilian airfield.
Always quite high at that time of year.

We were all instructors & only one of us had a license to fly.
We went threw all the normal junk familiarizing ourselves with the small planes Instruments. (Our Friends. Remember we were instrument instructors)

I had taken my flight instructor final with my peer.
I will call Bill to make it easier.
Well Bill & I could all but finish each others sentences so to speak.
We complemented each others skills.

Bill & I had never flown a prop plain in a simulator or for real.
We were excited. Young & a little crazy.

Rolling down the runway for take off.
Bill and I were quizzing the other guy about full flap roll & lift off speeds.
These speeds very from aircraft to aircraft.

Bill & I were used to dealing these ratings every day.
We dealt with them in jets although in the range of 135 knots or so.
We were surprised to hear "ohh 35 to 40 knots" quipped from the licensed pilot.

The Aircraft responded at the indicated speeds & we made normal uneventful landing after flying threw the pattern. At full flaps in that small Aircraft the angle of attack when landing is quite sever (Steep). It made Bill & I uncomfortable but we trusted our instruments as we were trained and all was good in the world: when we were safe once more on the ground & rolling for another take off.

"Hmm" I said. As I thought threw the take off.

Then I asked if the licensed pilot trusted me.
"Ya sure, but don't do anything stupid."

I glanced at Bill with a twinkle in my eye.
Bill frowned because he new me, then he just grinned.
I throttled back up & was just reaching roll speed when I said.
"Well if we take off at 35 knots" We did so as my sentence ended.

Then Bob said "And then we climb a little". As we reached 100' above the runway. "Then I throttle back a little." As I very slowly reduced the throttle.

We settled into a comfortable 38 knot level fight.
The wind was 40 or a little more.
Soooo we slowly drifted backwards down the runway at about 100'.
We did 2 more touch & go's in this manner before the tower guy yelled at us.

So in a word.
Planes can fly in place & backward & sideways.
Like a boat in water.
In a boat you drift along with the water.
In An Aircraft you Fly along with the Air.
It can be very dangerous for and aircraft at slow speed..
If the wind changes the aircraft becomes a rock without warning.
Bad unexpected events are called wind shear.
We are getting better at prodiction this effect for commercial flights.
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In another thought that might bend you perception.
Very large aircraft in example C5 have a very slow take off speed.
65 knots or so.
I had the chance to be underneath one at Lackland in Texas.
The ground literally shook as it passed over my head at 150' or so.
It is sooo sooo big the only way it can be described is Blimp like.
Even a half mile away it was as if it stood still in the air & the earth moved around it.

If any aircraft is turning towards you at a mile or more it may look as if it just hanging there. The larger the aircraft the greater the effect from my experience.

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Now to the Dark side.

More to follow

Most likely the plane is very high up, and you were watching from the oncoming direction, making it look like it was standing still.

Just like watching a train from very far down the rail, it looks like it is taking forever to come,but then blows by you.

Very large aircraft in example C5 have a very slow take off speed.
65 knots or so.

All large aircraft have a takeoff of over 100 knots, even STOL aircraft like the C-17. Airliners are more generally around 135 knots. What kind of plane did you fly backwards in?

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I can't speak for the one the OP saw but the one I saw was side on to me, at most 400 yards away at about 400-500 feet and was stationary for the 12-15 minutes I stood on the side of the interstate watching. I can't stress enough that this was in no way an optical illusion. "What" it was and more importantly WHY it was is beyond me but I know what I saw.

Follow up on previous post to "Can an aircraft just stand still" Part 2

Question: What did you fly backwards in?

Weather: Very High Stright wind from the west
Cat 5 but very cool afternoon.
Alamogordo Civilian Airport - SW of town.

Aircraft: I am trained in t38/t26/f4/f15 Ect.
Thus I am not so familiar with the correct lingo in small prop aircraft
but here is my best shot.

Small single engine
high wing - 4 Seat instrumented rated - Cessna.

I don't know what else I can tell you about it but would be glad if you are specific.

---- Double check your fax's on the C5

The wing mass on the aircraft is is increadable.
Loaded Verses Unloaded maybe is what you are thinking of.

135 knots is reasonable loaded. It might even need to have minimal fuel to get off the ground & have attached Jato paccks. Then it would fuel up once up to altitude.

Unloaded it is a frigen kite.

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Back to the Basics
The Dark side.

With my previous post in mind there are other theory's.

A few of us UFO buff's believe that some UFO's can in a word cloak.
Some refire to it as projected holograms.

What ever you call it.
I have seen at least 3 of these objects in my lifetime in the daylight.
They seem to pop up repetitively & are sometimes not to scale.
One was the wrong type of aircraft for what they were doing in full daylight.
(They Mess'ed up they are Fa liable beings)
They are usually the precursor to following objects.

One of the most signifacnt UFO's that I witnessed after one such insident.
Flew slowly down the Michigan I94 Hwy (Detroit to Chicago)
It followed the median at less than 1000' in altitude.
It was massive. Over 1/2 mile long & 600 or so yards wide.
Small objects slowly flew off the main object.
While others flew towards it then docked with the main object.
I and another witness viewed it for over an hour.
As it progressed only about 15 miles or so.

The other method that is not talked about much is literal invisibility.
I have see 3 or 4 of these.
1 was one of ours.
2 were not.
Both had heat problems that betrayed reality.
Both were at night.
and very very close.
less than 100 yards.
I experienced lost time along with my wife during 2 of them.
That's a different subject.

It is my belief that if I had an Infra red or simply a heat monitor they would have stood out like a sore thumb.

I have seen different flight characteristics of UFO's.

One stood still until we intervened. (USAF Scrambled F15's from Holloman). The UFO then shot over the horizon in less than 2 seconds. (Over 500 miles - Weather clear & a million)

One of the most Bizare I witnessed in Michigan.
It swooped up & down rolling end from end.
It did so at less than 100' from the ground.
I observed this craft from about 1 1/2 miles.
I continued to roll like this until it stabilized under very high tension wire's.
(They are directly feeding from a near by nuke plant & are long transmission wires)
It then then just flew off at a normal speed. (for a Jet)
It flew purposefully to the north.
I believe it recharged something using the power lines.

Well i will but out unless you have any questions.

--- Watcher

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If I see a plane hovering that shouldn't be, or otherwise acting outside of the laws of physics, or reason, I tend less to be interested in dissecting what type of craft it is, and more interested in determining who's in it, and what they're doing.

Right.

And if see a plane I know what type it is instantly which can then help aid in finding out what the plane was doing; which is exactly what the majority of questions were about. So, uh, maybe you can find out who's inside by detecting what kind of plane it is, which direction it was going? Sorry it just seems the sighting was too vague. Yes plenty of people see Cigar shaped objects hovering in the sky; I've also seen Airliners appearing to hover in the sky merely from perspective. It's not wise to discount either.

The wing mass on the aircraft is is increadable.
Loaded Verses Unloaded maybe is what you are thinking of.

135 knots is reasonable loaded. It might even need to have minimal fuel to get off the ground & have attached Jato paccks. Then it would fuel up once up to altitude.


Unloaded it is a frigen kite.

Aircraft with similar wing loadings have stall speeds above one hundred knots even when completely empty thus there is no reason to believe the C-5 is any different.

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