Originally posted by six
I never said that we were the smartest people on earth, but niether are rocket scientist .
And I never said you were any dumber than anybody else, either, so it sounds like our opinions aren't really any different.
And if there were
a rocket scientist on here, he could blow it out his rear all day too, and I wouldn't care, unless he showed something
to back what he said. That's the only thing that will ever cut my mustard.
To marginalize what firefighters have to say because some dont have degrees is just snobbish.
You're misrepresenting what I'm saying. I never said anything about degrees, I think they're worthless too. I'm not "marginalizing" anybody.
I'm simply expressing that I don't care what their opinions
are, a fact is a fact to 1st grader and Einstein alike. And opinions are equally
worthless to me from all sides of the table unless I can intuitively identify with that opinion myself, and even then I'm probably not going to say
anything about it because I don't expect anybody else to care what my opinion is most of the time anyway.
Just because you are a engineer, do you think you could repair your car or refrigerator?
No, but I could and have repaired them anyway. Not my refrigerator electronic equipment of about equal complexity. That was just my major, I don't
even consider myself a real engineer because I'm not certified and it's not part of my job. But I bet you $500 I could easily have specs for my
model refrigerator, if not off the internet, then just mailing the right person (there are people who just distribute these kinds of documents for
technicians), and figure out what needed to be done with it just by inspecting it myself and comparing it to the data on the spec sheet. Honestly in
a real life scenario it would probably be cheaper to buy another one if something actually happened to one, but I don't know, and that's another
Most of those guys probably dont have degrees, but they do have a expertise outside of yours.
So what exactly have you been trained to know as far as how fires affect the structural integrity of steel framed buildings, their rates of expansion,
the effects of the deformations they create, the yield strength changing in relation to temperature, etc.? In other words what do they teach
firefighters about deformations in steel frames that engineers don't know, or didn't know before the firefighters? Not about the fire itself, or
how it burns, but what it does to the steel, in technical detail.
I am just saying that listen to what we have to say, you might learn something.
About how to fight fires, sure. I'm all ears.