posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 04:29 AM
We couldn't take the world
But United, Particularly if we become an American Union of Canada and Mexico, but even if not, you simply couldn't, literally the entire world
couldn't invade the USA
The use of Nukes would be the only way and that = MAD, No Win, by either side.
So you would have to call this as a conventional war to even have the debate at all. Any debate that includes Nukes is Moot, Global destruction
We have a big Navy and allot of hardware, round one would be the inevitable defeat of the US Navy, but at the cost of a huge number of ships on the
other side, even the combined navies of the world, the surviving ships after the defeat of the US Navy would be subs mostly that's where we would
inevitably loose and our carrier battle groups would wreck havoc on all other ships by air at sea, there would be precious few fighting ships out
for a time...
The next move would be US vs Canada and Mexico without much support, Canada and Mexico would be gone in a matter of weeks, 10's of thousands of
Tanks, we secure the continent as the rest of the world gets ships ready and prepares the land invasion
But with or without the help of Canada and Mexico we go into this with the continent under our thumb
Given a period of months and with the use of commercial ships, led by the remains of a tattered fleet, the World Army is going to come for our
We still have almost our full military on the continent and Airforce and lets face it we had more carriers than the whole world, there simply wont be
a massive air campaign against our cities, non nuclear bombers will be chewed up by our defenses and the force projection simply wasn't there prior
to the Naval battle even globally in the first place,
Most of the ships will be commercial, we will hold out in the skies for a long, long time... months, the losses at sea attempting the landing will be
staggering but backed by subs troops will land, but your talking about a Normandy that lasts a month...
Tens of Millions would die attempting to land on the continent, the long range air capacity of the world will be devastated...
So this is where we end up, most of America still alive, when tens of Millions of troops have already died in attempting to gain the beaches
But the world has Tens of Millions more to burn... so we are still looking at big trouble
The next fight is destroying the conventional American Army, your making a beech head with equipment coming at, the American Military on some great
battle fronts, we are going to do well, everything is in our favor, much armor global gets burned the minute it hits our shores, much was simply
wasted in the attempt, ship building is rapid fire under way around the world but the reality is, so many ships are lost trying to gain our shores,
getting enough heavy equipment on land to beat our tanks and defenses proves almost impossible and we have plenty of oil and manufacturing, we are
pumping our guns and rockets in massive numbers for the people the whole time...
Eventually, the death toll now would be in the 6 figure Millions, but eventually our military looses, what occupies our shores and into the interior
is, in shambles, cut off by very weak supply lines...
Nopw you have to subdue the American people, losses as yet are not massive people got out of the cities early, everyone has a gun, the best equipment
the world had to offer is fried and Tanks might be on thje ground and artillery but to shoot at what targets?
We have a continent to disperse into multiple giant mountain ranges, Arizona alone represents and Afghanistan with allot more guns...
The worlds Army now has to occupy with battered supply lines against a 270 Million strong Alqueda type Guerrilla Army across a whole continent
And we have, Thousands of planes and crop dusters and Heavy equipment and Pick up Trucks, what happens when we start flying DC 10's into supply ships
or armored columns, we have 100,000 dump trucks filled with Guerrilla fighters
losses to the world are already in the six figure Millions...
We are occupied but to what avail?
a 20 year war of freedom is what the world now faces,
you can be certain even with nukes out of the picture we have through and from the initial defeat of our navy, carpet bombed the oil fields as we
retreated from the middle east, cut pipelines, bombed key ports
the supply lines are very low, fighters over seas are not so willing to go, corpses of foreign fighters hang on crosses in our corn field
this is where it ends, America is defeated but, in due time, the troops will leave, it's simply too much to occupy, there are too many weapons, ever
guerrilla band that is defeated spouts 10 more and they have, excellent toys, these are college educated Americans defending their homes well armed,
hidden in terrain that is barely accessible in massive numbers with little hardcore equipment to use in the fight
we loose but in the end keep America...
Just, way to much to occupy,
It's not us, or our tech, it's the ocean... and then the continent and the sheer amount of equipment resources and know how, that turned
I mean look at 9-11 How many Jumbo Jets do we posses when it's our families dying and your on our shores?
There is just so much we could do in that situation... so much land to cover
Same reason we can barely handle Afghanistan and Iraq in tandem... Expensive supply lines and attempting to root a people off it's own soil, hardest
battle that can ever be fought...
Occupation of America is virtually impossible, not given the kind of Navy and defenses in a conventional war you'd have to push through in the first
Before our military is gone, this would end up wave after wave of men drowning in that ocean trying to get that beach head cargo shops going to the
bottom at the hands of... terrorist style attacks every day. City style occupation against a populace where some guys have dozens of guns and enough
ammo to last years... everyone practically has a gun if they don't they need to run around the corner to walmart or the pawn shop to get 9 or 10
I of course simplify this and in a world of nukes it can never happen
but for the fun of playing a Red Dawn scenario
It's still one nightmare of a war for the world...
The point of some of the other posters we can't entirely quell Iraq and Afghanistan...
The world would be able to occupy and Hold the USA in a conventional war?
Not likely at all given that Ocean and the size of this Continent