posted on Aug, 28 2007 @ 08:48 PM
uote]Originally posted by Quicksilver
we could bear the brunt of another land war in Europe if we had to. The oly wildcard would be england if they are with us or against us and that would
be the deciding factor in the war. And there is no way i can see that happeneing unless they have the absurd idea of invading us. Cause if we were to
get the tensions that high against them and go to war we would pull out b4 they had teh ability to invade us. THe ocean is our biggest friend people.
Quicksilver, I can only speak for myself as an English person living on both sides of the pond. From where I'm sitting I really don't think old
England has any plans to attack the US. In fact living in some parts of England is just like living in the US..for years, both countries have shared
their culture, their religion and a common ideal.
I’ve grown up in this culture and I'd like to think it's made me a better person. I grew up with relatives who came to the US through further
education and the moved on to Canada. I grew up with the good - and the bad, stories about the US and for years I was captivated. On the whole
American people had a different outlook to the people in my area..a much different outlook and it was infectious. I wanted to see this country of vast
resource and extremes of wealth for myself, which gave me the drive not to stay in the hell-hole I was living in at the time, in England. This was a
time before the popularity of the internet and social networking sites.
The real problem as I see it (and one that's affecting both countries in equal measure), is globalisation. It's corporate greed buying out morality.
It's the rampant manner in which money and the media are attempting to reside over morality. It's the selfish, narrow-minded and unsustainable
'culture' that's being propagated, one that cares only for one and not the other.
We are both effectively 'islands' and have historically defended our shores because we were fighting for the greater good. Today's it's not just a
military affront we must defend against..it's an economic one. It seems to be that the America I knew, is being driven into the ground economically
as well as culturally - and at any cost. When I see for instance, the devastation caused by the US' open border policy it makes me wonder just what
the hell troops are fighting for in Iraq, for literally anyone can walk across the Mexican border and enter your country. This has in turn destroyed
land..at an absolutely astonishing rate; it has depleted resources and when those resources have run dry, more channels have been created to ship in
It is not sustainable, not at this rate. Rampant population growth that is estimated to hit 400,000,000 in but decades at the current rate, creates
even more consumers who want the American dream and ultimately, the dream is turning into a nightmare as more and more people associate this culture
as being representative of a selfish mind-set. I am not saying all people by the way, just the one's who are brought up on propaganda. An economic
directive brings those people here.
The same directive has caused a lot of social division in England, recently through Tony Blair's insistence on getting people in from Eastern Europe.
These people come from broken, corrupt and lawless environments. You speak out and you're branded using buzzwords..Propaganda. I’ve seen people
shouted down by supposed moral pillars of the community for simply having the temerity to look at what we're facing and how we can best address it.
You have to break through a wall of propaganda before you can even begin to reach anyone.
As for the EU, it seems to have a rather too close relationship with the North American Union..which plans to implement a toll road system from
Mexico, under which Americans will be forced to pay twice for using their own road system. The media that chose to speak out against this..the media
outlets operating along the border..what happened?
America, England and Europe, are not perfect. Nobody said they were. But where - where - is the logic, the morality - of a society on both sides of
the pond that is told how and where to grow up, what to think..by nothing more than a corporate policy? It's not only immoral, it's very, very
dangerous in my opinion. It creates rather that resolves, division.
These are just my views. I really don't see England as being your problem..in fact I honestly believe that England has enough of it's own problems
at the moment, which it's people are unable to deal with. The way the media operates these days, to be in any way nationalistic or somewhat
isolationist in putting forward solutions is off-limits.
Who says it's off-limits? The people trying to dumb down a society where it lacks even the most basic self-worth. Where people are unable to think on
their own two feet, instead acting like mindless, faceless, gutless pieces of plastic. When poeple lack a sense of self-worth they are prime fodder
for conditioning. The only solution I can foresee is a change from within.
Odd times. There are some great things to be proud of in the west, and there are things to abhor. I don't know where we'll be in 5 years' time, I
don't know what kind of system we'll be living under but the way things are going, I'm not exactly relashing the thought. Maybe it comes from
getting older or the side-effect of living in an information society, however I have tried to base my views to a large extent on experience rather
than hysteria. If there's a coming war I think it will be on the grounds of economics..and fought at the press of a button. Who cares how it turns
out as long as the (fake) grass is green, gas is cheap and there's a propaganda box in the corner of the living room in front of which one can simply
tune in and drop out? Who cares when the loudest voice is always the right voice? Who cares as long as the credit card can pay for it?
Who cares about anything as long as it doesn't affect me personally?
That's the kind of mind-set Iv'e had dealings with on a daily basis. Perhaps this conditioned mind-set has in fact resolved to understand the
hardship faced by those who do stop and care, those that do stop and think, and simply want no part of it. That seems a very easy thing to do in the
present environment, where morals are cheap.
I hope I have not insulted anyone who doesn't reside in Europe or the US. It was not my intention.
[edit on 28-8-2007 by Ross Cross]