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USA vs. the World

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posted on Apr, 6 2005 @ 03:57 PM
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The USA would get destroyed. It wouldn't stand a chance. If the world was really that serious, they'd take out nuke sites before the USA knew they were down, then nukes wouldn't have to be used, just billions of infantry fighting over the USA.
USA could take everyone down with them with one nuke by blowing up that volcano that could erupt soon!




posted on Apr, 6 2005 @ 06:30 PM
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You post that and then for your signature refer to yourself as a "weapons expert..."



posted on Apr, 6 2005 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by Nexus
The USA would get destroyed. It wouldn't stand a chance. If the world was really that serious, they'd take out nuke sites before the USA knew they were down, then nukes wouldn't have to be used, just billions of infantry fighting over the USA.
USA could take everyone down with them with one nuke by blowing up that volcano that could erupt soon!


ummm no..... how would they take out every nuke site when more then half of our nukes are mobile such as on B1,B2,B52,F-117, and then you have all of our subs with nukes on them which that would be a bitch trying to find those and sink em,

If every country in the world tried to invade US they would fail first of all Canada and Mexico dont have much of an Army so we knock them out and patrol those borders then we have 12 aircraft carrier groups so we could have 6 on each side of the cost , and we simply let the enemy keep sending forces and transports, nobody has the ability to take out the US, US is not stupid it would not allow and huge build up of a military to start building in canada or mexico, and the main countries would be China,Russia,NK,India, none of those countries have the transport power to get enough stuff over here to do any damage,

There are more troops and planes in the US then the US has overseas i think the last CNN report i heard was that the US has currently like 500,000 troops overseas which would leave just a little under 1 million still in the US, and most of our Airforce is here to so Good luck to any country trying to take over the US, not only is there 1 million troops here but there are about 300,000,000 Americans here and most of us own guns, and true china has over a billion people but there is no way for them to get here without taking massive very massive losses



posted on Apr, 6 2005 @ 08:16 PM
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Zack I think your overestimateing the american fighting machine...
Firstly if the european and russian navies fought against american atlantic fleet I believe would be a stalemate...

The pacific is another question altogether...the austrialians, indians, to some extent chinese and south american navies would have some fun with the american pacific fleet....might not win BUT would do a damm great deal of damage..



posted on Apr, 6 2005 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
Zack I think your overestimateing the american fighting machine...
Firstly if the european and russian navies fought against american atlantic fleet I believe would be a stalemate...

The pacific is another question altogether...the austrialians, indians, to some extent chinese and south american navies would have some fun with the american pacific fleet....might not win BUT would do a damm great deal of damage..



yes i understand this, my point in saying all that was that it would be nearly impossible for any country or countries to invade the US especially since we have military bases all over the world that these countries would have to deal with first, i am in no way saying that the US would repel the attacks and then conquer every country in the world , but i think the US would use those military bases around the world to cripple other countries Intel and Communications, and without that an army is pretty much useless

and it would take alot of time and preperation for every country in the world to team up against the US one way or another the US would find out i mean think about no country really has the transport means to get here they would have to have refueling tankers and big transport planes and then Fighters to escort all of this if the Atlantic fleet battle ended up a stale mate and then the pacific fleet almost beaten to pieces, that really doesnt leave any country a good way to protect transports getting to the US and then if they did get there they would have to deal with our airforce.

I see no reasonable way for ever country in the world to successfuly invade the US

BTW. i feel dumb for asking this i know its big and powerful but what all does the pacific fleet consists of, like how many carriers and ships subs, ect.

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[edit on 6-4-2005 by zakattack]


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posted on Apr, 6 2005 @ 09:56 PM
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USA could take everyone down with them with one nuke by blowing up that volcano that could erupt soon!

That was just funny.


Gotta love oceans.
Now how do I get out of here?!



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 01:26 AM
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US bases around the world would be deemed irrelevent.

The US is pulling out of Europe (Germany), anyhow and the only sizeable force remaining would be deployed in Korea, Iraq and Afghanistan.

The US would try to get those soliders home ASAP... not fight, they would be wiped out very quicky.



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 04:29 AM
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you can also forget your 12 carriers, as you have that many to allow a third of them to be in drydock at any one time that might give you 4 or 5 in the atlantic if your lucky


i also like the idea that 300,000,000 people can withstand 5,700,000,000 even if they do all have guns at home. yeah right

[edit on 7-4-2005 by paperplane_uk]



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
Ok.... you saw what happened to Japan, and then Afghanistan, and no country would dare to try and invade the U.S.


Isn't that exactly what al Qaeda did?

You know there are forms of warfare that might seem invisible to the eye or radar.


The yanks are like paper tiger! Imagine if anyone drop 1 nuclear bomb in New York?

WESTPOINT: Again with this paper tiger thing? Uhh... keep thinking we are a paper tiger.


One nuke goes off in this country - regardless of who looses it, and our government will most likely instate a national marital law. At least regional. Bye bye freedom.



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
Zack I think your overestimateing the american fighting machine...


Here's the thing. Folks who trumpet our massive power fail to account for other variables. Namely the state of our economy and our ability to move oil to our machinery.

I guess if the economy crashed, we'd just TAKE Saudi Arabia and Iraq's oil.



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 08:55 AM
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Firstly to the dipstick who should have known but didn't, yes the UK is in the European Union, which is how I get to live in a lovely country.

Let's get one other thing straight, the other countries in the EU are not our natural allies and never will be.

If it ever looked remotely likely that conflict were looming between the EU and the USA, the UK would side with the US, end of story.

By doing so, it would remove some of the best fighting forces available to the EU in one fell swoop, leaving the French and Germans to do the fighting. How long do you think a conflict would last if the French were the main protagonists on one side??? Still unsure? Look at history and you will get your answer again and again and again.

The French are a jealous, petty bunch as a nation, and make a great deal of fuss about how important they are and how highly the world should regard them, but nobody else thinks as highly of the French as they do themselves.


[edit on 7-4-2005 by Englishman_in_Spain]



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 08:56 AM
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Typical american pride..

Of course the EU would win. USA would put up a good fiight, but would either surrender, or get beat.

Yes USA has a strong military, but it wont be able to carry it on forever. It will weaken in time in several places.

USA wont ever beat the EU.

But it wont come to that, how many british ppl live in USA, ppl from all over the world live in the USA. We are Allies!

This thread is realy just about showing off your country..



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 09:05 AM
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Nevermind...
Blobber


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posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by Englishman_in_Spain


The French are a jealous, petty bunch as a nation, and make a great deal of fuss about how important they are and how highly the world should regard them, but nobody else thinks as highly of the French as they do themselves.


[edit on 7-4-2005 by Englishman_in_Spain]


Except for the "coalition of the willing" everybody(every nation) commends the french for standing up to this joyride the US has gone on in Iraq..

[edit on 7-4-2005 by Daedalus3]



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23

USA vs the World????? You don't need the world, just consider any small country can beat the yanks down. The first time, they got bomb in a military compound ( pearl harbour ), second time at world trade. The yanks always fought their war overseas and never within the country. The 911 incident with 2 buildings down already did so much damage to them.


Ok.... you saw what happened to Japan, and then Afghanistan, and no country would dare to try and invade the U.S. One they don't have the capabilities two it would not end up good for that country. You may see that as arrogant, but its the truth.

Truth???? The very truth is nobody in the world wants WAR!!!! You still don't seem to learn after so many years, you must be some retarded citizen that don't know what is TV.
UN


The yanks are like paper tiger! Imagine if anyone drop 1 nuclear bomb in New York?


Again with this paper tiger thing? Uhh... keep thinking we are a paper tiger.

Oh yes, haven't been burn completely yet

UN



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by Englishman_in_Spain
Firstly to the dipstick who should have known but didn't, yes the UK is in the European Union, which is how I get to live in a lovely country.

Let's get one other thing straight, the other countries in the EU are not our natural allies and never will be.

If it ever looked remotely likely that conflict were looming between the EU and the USA, the UK would side with the US, end of story.

By doing so, it would remove some of the best fighting forces available to the EU in one fell swoop, leaving the French and Germans to do the fighting. How long do you think a conflict would last if the French were the main protagonists on one side??? Still unsure? Look at history and you will get your answer again and again and again.

The French are a jealous, petty bunch as a nation, and make a great deal of fuss about how important they are and how highly the world should regard them, but nobody else thinks as highly of the French as they do themselves.


[edit on 7-4-2005 by Englishman_in_Spain]

Ok why do you think they are not our natural allies?
Our family....hell more than the americans are..even though the americans are our allies the europeans are our blood relitives...damm it would be like a family fued...


[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 04:21 PM
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The French and the British have been fighting for hundreds of years. They don't fight now because France would get its A whooped and they owe the British for WWII.

The U.S. is not easy to invade you first have to cross the two huge oceans to get your navies here and you either have to fly across the ocean’s or over the north pole.
The U.S. only has two borders to patrol. You might think the southern border is a joke but if we sent the national guard there no one would sneak through.

This of course is hypothetical as alliances, global economies, and lack of capabilities, mean a global war is not probable. Plus there are enough nukes in the world to kill us all, someone would use them.



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 05:58 PM
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Daedulus, the ONLY reason France "stood up" to the U.S. was because they were losing billions of dollars by the U.S. invading Iraq.

And yes Callisto, the U.S. would swoop the EU. Virtually no EU country even has an army that matches the U.S.'s in quality, and if the UK sided with the U.S., it would be a slaughter.

The EU doesn't have a global positioning system that matches the U.S., you'd have a bunch of countries trying to fight united, with crap militaries, etc...it wouldn't work.

And yes this forum is pointless, but I feel like arguing over stupid things right now : )

[edit on 7-4-2005 by Broadsword20068]



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
The French and the British have been fighting for hundreds of years. They don't fight now because France would get its A whooped and they owe the British for WWII.

Yeah your point is?
We dont fight now because we are allies..
Actually...is the entente cordial still in effect?
BTW we kind of owe them for letting us use their land as a battle ground in WW1..


The U.S. is not easy to invade you first have to cross the two huge oceans to get your navies here and you either have to fly across the ocean’s or over the north pole.

The U.S. only has two borders to patrol. You might think the southern border is a joke but if we sent the national guard there no one would sneak through.

This of course is hypothetical as alliances, global economies, and lack of capabilities, mean a global war is not probable. Plus there are enough nukes in the world to kill us all, someone would use them.

We wouldnt want to take the US anyhow...just washington DC...




Originally posted by Broadsword20068
And yes Callisto, the U.S. would swoop the EU. Virtually no EU country even has an army that matches the U.S.'s in quality, and if the UK sided with the U.S., it would be a slaughter.

What are you smokeing?
The european forces **not the EU since the EU is not military*** could easily defend themselves.
Our armed forces are the best as it comes,unless your trying to say british forces are untrained grunts?


The EU doesn't have a global positioning system that matches the U.S., you'd have a bunch of countries trying to fight united, with crap militaries, etc...it wouldn't work.

Crap militaries?
You really are talking out of your rectum now..
Our forces have the best training there is, the best tech there is and the best defensive positions there is.


And yes this forum is pointless, but I feel like arguing over stupid things right now : )
[edit on 7-4-2005 by Broadsword20068]

So your now calling ATS pointless? And that you like being a troll?

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 07:42 PM
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I find all this 'the UK has natural enemies in the EU' or the obvious attempt to imagine 'the UK is, somehow, not quite a European country' stuff simply ignorant and hugely laughable.

Europe is more aligned and acting together in a way it has never done ever before.

It has done this at with an expanding number of nations for decades.

As each generation grows up the idea of the fractious disaster of the competitive European nation states as was receeds further and further away and the self evidence of a genuine union of European states acting in cooperation and for mutual benefit becomes ever more obvious, natural and normal, whatever the local short-term difficulties that may arise from time to time.

The simple fact is that by any realistic and sane assessment the EU nations are never going to fight each other again and if one wants to debate where the UK stands on all of this I suggest one goes and looks at the WTO actions where the UK takes it's place along side its EU partners, every time.

The UK has close ties to Europe and the USA (as do many European countries) and so not unnaturally seeks to promote better relations between the boorish (not to mention ridiculous) anti-Europeanism currently making the rounds in the US (far too widely from any sane perspective. surely) and a European indifference bordering on quiet contemptuous hostility in the face of this.

Those currently running the USA seem to imagine Europe and the EU (like the rest of the world) should just shut up and blindly follow and accept their view of the world.....

.....those people should wake up, that is never going to happen and the UK's people and gov will back Europe in this every time.

There is no choice.

Faced with the possibility of following US 'orders' or being genuinely involved as an equal partner at the heart of the decision making in Europe well, the UK made it's choice long ago when we joined the EEC/EU, didn't we?

The fact that some on the UK 'right' can't abide this is neither here nor there, given a straight 'in or out' vote the UK would vote 'in'......

.....which is how come the anti-EU mob howl their displeasure at the prospect of the coming EU constitution vote being put in those terms.

The UK economy has been integrating with the EU's for the 30yrs we have been in and even in the decade+ before 'we' joined 'we' were aligning it to make union easier.
There is and will be no going back, it would be far too costly for us.

.....and as for the USA v EU pissing contest?

Pppppfffffhhhhhh.

More sillyness.
The most that will happen is that Europe will quietly turn it's back on the USA and allow the nutter element there to drift further and further into the isolation their 'policies' will undoubtedly provoke. Much to the harm of the rest of their nation but I guess it's better than conflict.



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