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Now Pro-Life Advocates are potential terrorists

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posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by skeptic1
That's my point. Labeling people with opinions as potential terrorists is alot different than labeling people with opinions who have acted on those opinions as potential domestic terrorists.


What about all the muslim extremists in the UK right now, what if that were here, would you still feel that way? When they are openly praising mass murderers and calling for religious wars against the british on their very streets and demanding for them to follow islamic law, it becomes more than an opinion, it becomes a very real threat to public safety. I know it's a slippery slope, and i'm not interested in relying on or even allowing our worthless government to make that call, but extreme religious beliefs do have great potential to create terrorists, always have and always will.




posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by purehughness
Would it be impertinent for me to say that ANYBODY is a potential terrorist? Emphasis on potential...
Surely anyone could snap at any moment and commit an act of such a proportion that it could be labeled 'terrorist'.


I don't think that fits the bill, terrorism is generally used to make a political or religious statement, one that is usually part of an organized agenda. An everyday joe snapping and killing everybody at mcdonalds for no reason isn't terrorism by definition. Terrorism usually has a target political or religous goal...



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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The single largest threat, and the only threat, to Brits and
Americans, is their own government. All the terrorist attacks are
orchestrated by your own government, the internet is riddled with
proof of this.

There is no foreign nation or religion that you have to fear, the
only real threat to your lives and to your way of life, is your own
government.



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by FredT

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
A nation which has no regard for human life is a nation of barbarians, and God help us all.


Yet a few pages ago you basically got down on your knees and bowed to man who killed another.

SO do you see a barbarian when you look into a mirror?

So what you are saying is "As long as it supports my belief system, my definition of murder fluctuates. "

You decry murder in some posts and glorify it in others


There is a big difference between self-defense, or defending your neighbor, and killing innocent helpless babies for money.

One is a noble and selfless and brave act and the other is a cowardly, evil, thoroughly wicked action of killing human babies, helpless and innocent, for money.

Would you defend your family from an intruder into your home? Would you defend your neighbor from a gang of thuggies who were there to rape and pillage? If you saw your neighbor's kid being dragged into a van by a stranger, would you just stand there and call 9/11?

Paul Hill was not looking to punish anybody. The Bible says "Vengence is mine, I will repay, says the Lord." Christians are not into revenge. We are told to forgive, lest God not forgive us our own trespasses. Paul started out trying to save the babies by calling out to the mothers and by holding up signs, passing out plastic models of the unborn babies, literature. I don't think he wanted to do what he did. I think he tried to get out of it. But he felt like he had to do more to save the babies than hold up a sign. So he did what his conscience told him to do, a conscience formed since childhood by everything he was taught in church and school and by his culture, by learning that you defend and protect the weak and the innocent from the strong, mean bullies, same as what they teach the Boy Scouts. I guess we better not teach men these things?

I don't find it hard to understand Paul Hill at all, nor Shelly Shannon who went out of her way to shoot Tiller the Killer in his arms. Well, his arms got better, and he's back killing the babies, babies in their 8th and 9th month, since he specializes in late term abortions. Shelly meantime has been in prison for 20 years and will never get out.

I wish I had a neighbor like Paul Hill or Shelly Shannon and I'm sure anybody else would want them for neighbors also. Who would not want brave and selfless people for neighbors?

What Paul Hill and Shelly did was not murder. It was defending their neighbor, at great sacrifice to themselves in so doing.

Someday soon the government will "legally" begin to kill most of us here in America. Do we stand by and watch our neighbors be killed, turn them in if the law says to, or help the government to line people up, take a job with the police state? Do we help the state to murder anybody, and especially the most helpless and weak and innocent among us?

There's legal, and then there's what's right. Paul Hill saved the lives of 30 children, and no doubt at least half of them are alive today because of him. How many other lives were saved because the professional baby killer was stopped forever, or other professional baby killers who quit their jobs because they figured it was too dangerous. For this Paul Hill was executed by the state. And at the time of his execution, the sky went black and lightning struck the death house.

Someday Paul will stand before God. Will God rebuke him or commend him? What do you think?

As to who is or is not a terrorist, the government has a million people on a no fly list as "potential terrorists," even a five-year-old was searched for hours before he was let on a plane. The government is terrified of all of us because they are in fact terrorists, criminals, and they are afraid enough of us will find out and put them on trial for their lies and murders and crimes.

Especially Christians, people who study and advocate the Constitution, homeschoolers, prolifers, people with gardens and their own wells, self-employed people, people who are not likely to be bootlickers and worship the state.

[edit on 15-4-2009 by Salt of the Earth]



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by purehughness
Would it be impertinent for me to say that ANYBODY is a potential terrorist? Emphasis on potential...
Surely anyone could snap at any moment and commit an act of such a proportion that it could be labeled 'terrorist'.


I don't think that fits the bill, terrorism is generally used to make a political or religious statement, one that is usually part of an organized agenda. An everyday joe snapping and killing everybody at mcdonalds for no reason isn't terrorism by definition. Terrorism usually has a target political or religous goal...


Yeah fair point, but I was wondering if, by today's standards, somebody like Timothy McVeigh would be labelled a terrorist if the Oklaholma bombings happened tommorow? (Assuming of course it was him all along...
)



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by Wehali
The single largest threat, and the only threat, to Brits and
Americans, is their own government. All the terrorist attacks are
orchestrated by your own government, the internet is riddled with
proof of this.

There is no foreign nation or religion that you have to fear, the
only real threat to your lives and to your way of life, is your own
government.


Fully. This we know to be true, these days you can practically spot the disinformation every day on your TV. It's all just powerplay and rhetoric to make the people believe that the PTB are serving the nation's interest, while merely fulfilling their own ego and prejudice. IMHO, Man isn't fit to lead man.



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 03:52 PM
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I told you all soooo, "TERRORISM" could be turned of ya...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Was nice being kicked in the teeth back in W's time-

"YER Anti BUSH and a terrorist lover"

EAD with mustard I say



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 03:54 PM
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reply to post by Salt of the Earth
 


I think people are ignoring you. Because you're saying things like abortionists kill babies for the purpose of getting money, people do not think twice about getting abortions, etc.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the things that you are saying may be very touchy and uncomfortable for some people? That maybe some of us here on this forum know people who have had had abortions, who do not fit the profile you are describing? Maybe no one is responding to you because you're insulting the actions that other people may have chosen to take for themselves and their families? You make the abortionist look like Satan, and really, I think if you sat down with a couple people who have had abortions, including very conservative Christian women, you might change your mind.



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 03:54 PM
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The truth is in the middle, IMO. I don't fear religious extremists, and I don't believe the government has our best interests in mind. I do believe the government looks the other way and ALLOWS religious extremists to carry out acts that further their agendas, and that's just as bad. But I don't buy into the government actually carrying out these attacks, religious extremists DO exist, and their agenda is exactly what they say it is, there is no doubt in my mind about that. Just happens that other, greedy, more opportunistic scumbags have used them to spread fear and gain support for their resource grabbing.



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by ravenshadow13
reply to post by Salt of the Earth
 


I think people are ignoring you. Because you're saying things like abortionists kill babies for the purpose of getting money, people do not think twice about getting abortions, etc.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the things that you are saying may be very touchy and uncomfortable for some people? That maybe some of us here on this forum know people who have had had abortions, who do not fit the profile you are describing? Maybe no one is responding to you because you're insulting the actions that other people may have chosen to take for themselves and their families? You make the abortionist look like Satan, and really, I think if you sat down with a couple people who have had abortions, including very conservative Christian women, you might change your mind.


Star for you for patience, reason and sensitivity, dying traits amongst the public, but thankfully being kept alive by the vast majority of ATSers.



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
I'll boil it down for you as to who the current administration considers a 'potential terrorist'.

Anybody who opposes their plans and agendas.

Now wasn't that simple?


Oh please.. this report came from the analysts at the Department of Homeland Security. The right wing created the DHS and hand picked the staff, and believe me you won't find any liberals plotting a secret agenda in there. Fortunately, true anti terrorism specialists know it when they see it and don't waste their time worrying about partisan BS.



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by ravenshadow13
reply to post by Salt of the Earth
 


I think people are ignoring you. Because you're saying things like abortionists kill babies for the purpose of getting money, people do not think twice about getting abortions, etc.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the things that you are saying may be very touchy and uncomfortable for some people? That maybe some of us here on this forum know people who have had had abortions, who do not fit the profile you are describing? Maybe no one is responding to you because you're insulting the actions that other people may have chosen to take for themselves and their families? You make the abortionist look like Satan, and really, I think if you sat down with a couple people who have had abortions, including very conservative Christian women, you might change your mind.


It has less to do with it being a touchy subject and much more to do with hijacking a thread that has nothing to do with your opinions on abortion. This thread is about the labelling of terrorists, yet people want to turn it into the same emotionally driven, personal attacking, pathetic garbage that all the other abortion threads are about.

It's really quite pathetic, and again, screams of agenda-driven propaganda.



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by skeptic1
That's my point. Labeling people with opinions as potential terrorists is alot different than labeling people with opinions who have acted on those opinions as potential domestic terrorists.


What about all the muslim extremists in the UK right now, what if that were here, would you still feel that way? When they are openly praising mass murderers and calling for religious wars against the british on their very streets and demanding for them to follow islamic law, it becomes more than an opinion, it becomes a very real threat to public safety. I know it's a slippery slope, and i'm not interested in relying on or even allowing our worthless government to make that call, but extreme religious beliefs do have great potential to create terrorists, always have and always will.


Ok, let me try this one more time.

A passive person who only shares an opinion with a bunch of crazies should not be put in the same category as the crazies. A person who is against abortion but doesn't partake in any sort of action in that opinion should not be grouped with the clinic bombers.

A passive Muslim who is faithful to his/her religion should not be grouped into the same category as the suicide bombers or people on the streets handing out fliers decrying Christianity and vowing to turn the world into an Islamic Republic.

Having a passive opinion does not equal a potential for domestic terrorism. I am a firm believer in closing our borders. I will talk about that until I am blue in the face, but I don't picket government offices, I don't harass anyone that looks Latino, and I don't travel down to the border and try to pick off people as they cross the border.

Vocal opinion does not equal action. Passive opinion does not equal action. Opinion is inaction.....once it moves into an action stage, then all the rules change.

Am I making sense yet???



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 04:20 PM
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I think that it is impossible to discuss a thread about pro-life and pro-choice and one of the groups being labeled as a terrorist organization without discussing that makes the groups different and why one possibly deserves to be labeled as such and the other does not.

Otherwise all this thread would be is "Well that's stupid." or "I agree with that."

I think it's just going to come up, but I could be wrong. I'm sure in a few months this thread will be bumped with opinionated posts and the usual. It's just the nature of the topic.



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic

It has less to do with it being a touchy subject and much more to do with hijacking a thread that has nothing to do with your opinions on abortion. This thread is about the labelling of terrorists, yet people want to turn it into the same emotionally driven, personal attacking, pathetic garbage that all the other abortion threads are about.

It's really quite pathetic, and again, screams of agenda-driven propaganda.


Once again, I didn't start slamming the activists, the political prisoners and martyrs in the prolife movement, agreeing with FEMA that they are terrorists and need to go to the dungeons, but all the rest of you are oh so peaceful and nice and not terrorists at all, blah,blah.

Sickening and disgusting to hear such whiny groveling and such callousness to the little babies. Absolutely, totally disgusting. I can only hope this is not a picture of what it will really be like when and if we're all hauled into a FEMA camp. "Oh, I'm not a terrorist, honest. Look at him, he's one. I saw his bumper sticker. I heard him say such and such. Look at him, not at me, blah, blah."

Disgusting.



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by ravenshadow13
reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic
 


I think that it is impossible to discuss a thread about pro-life and pro-choice and one of the groups being labeled as a terrorist organization without discussing that makes the groups different and why one possibly deserves to be labeled as such and the other does not.

Otherwise all this thread would be is "Well that's stupid." or "I agree with that."

I think it's just going to come up, but I could be wrong. I'm sure in a few months this thread will be bumped with opinionated posts and the usual. It's just the nature of the topic.


Well, thats just the thing. Pro-choice groups have been watched for years. Neither side of the argument is immune to the scrutiny. Every other bike gang, religious group, etc, can be grouped in here as well.

My issue comes in when the same propaganda is being spewed as a thread about opinions on the subject. This person is calling people murderers, condemning them to hell, passing judgement (good christian soldiers, i must say), and do not add to the actual subject at hand.

Again, there are MANY threads where you can go and call names, tell people they are evil, etc on this subject. This thread is not about that.



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 04:27 PM
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Yeah, I'm sorry. You're right.

I think I was trying to provide a subtle hint to make it stop but it didn't work out so well.



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by Salt of the Earth

Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic

It has less to do with it being a touchy subject and much more to do with hijacking a thread that has nothing to do with your opinions on abortion. This thread is about the labelling of terrorists, yet people want to turn it into the same emotionally driven, personal attacking, pathetic garbage that all the other abortion threads are about.

It's really quite pathetic, and again, screams of agenda-driven propaganda.


Once again, I didn't start slamming the activists, the political prisoners and martyrs in the prolife movement, agreeing with FEMA that they are terrorists and need to go to the dungeons, but all the rest of you are oh so peaceful and nice and not terrorists at all, blah,blah.

Sickening and disgusting to hear such whiny groveling and such callousness to the little babies. Absolutely, totally disgusting. I can only hope this is not a picture of what it will really be like when and if we're all hauled into a FEMA camp. "Oh, I'm not a terrorist, honest. Look at him, he's one. I saw his bumper sticker. I heard him say such and such. Look at him, not at me, blah, blah."

Disgusting.



Logic my friend, not emotion.

So let me understand this-you are comparing a holocaust to abortion? Yikes.



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by skeptic1

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by skeptic1
That's my point. Labeling people with opinions as potential terrorists is alot different than labeling people with opinions who have acted on those opinions as potential domestic terrorists.


What about all the muslim extremists in the UK right now, what if that were here, would you still feel that way? When they are openly praising mass murderers and calling for religious wars against the british on their very streets and demanding for them to follow islamic law, it becomes more than an opinion, it becomes a very real threat to public safety. I know it's a slippery slope, and i'm not interested in relying on or even allowing our worthless government to make that call, but extreme religious beliefs do have great potential to create terrorists, always have and always will.


Ok, let me try this one more time.

A passive person who only shares an opinion with a bunch of crazies should not be put in the same category as the crazies. A person who is against abortion but doesn't partake in any sort of action in that opinion should not be grouped with the clinic bombers.

A passive Muslim who is faithful to his/her religion should not be grouped into the same category as the suicide bombers or people on the streets handing out fliers decrying Christianity and vowing to turn the world into an Islamic Republic.

Having a passive opinion does not equal a potential for domestic terrorism. I am a firm believer in closing our borders. I will talk about that until I am blue in the face, but I don't picket government offices, I don't harass anyone that looks Latino, and I don't travel down to the border and try to pick off people as they cross the border.

Vocal opinion does not equal action. Passive opinion does not equal action. Opinion is inaction.....once it moves into an action stage, then all the rules change.

Am I making sense yet???


You nailed it. But that's the misleading nature of the thread title, it says advocates are potential terrorists, active or passive implied, so its got like an umbrella covering the whole group.

It's slightly off topic, but coming from the UK, i'm intrigued as to why you'd like the borders closed? Sentiments can be similar here regarding eastern europeans and asians (coincidentally often labelled as terrorists by the UK govt, fuelling said sentiments), but what's the american take?



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by ravenshadow13
reply to post by Salt of the Earth
 


I think people are ignoring you. Because you're saying things like abortionists kill babies for the purpose of getting money, people do not think twice about getting abortions, etc.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the things that you are saying may be very touchy and uncomfortable for some people? That maybe some of us here on this forum know people who have had had abortions, who do not fit the profile you are describing? Maybe no one is responding to you because you're insulting the actions that other people may have chosen to take for themselves and their families? You make the abortionist look like Satan, and really, I think if you sat down with a couple people who have had abortions, including very conservative Christian women, you might change your mind.


The only Christian women I know who had abortions regret it bitterly. Why else do you think abortionists kill babies for a living if not for the money and the pleasure they take in being responsible for all those deaths, gives them some kind of a power thrill. Some people just get off on death, especially people who hate God. I'm sure they don't go home and feel sad or ashamed for what they do. It gladdens their hearts to kill those babies.

Big old men with pot bellies with their big old ham hock hands, grabbing on to those scalpels and going after those little babies. Talk about a bully.

I don't insult abortion. I condemn it. It is murder of the worst sort, of one's own child, an innocent helpless child. There is no more evil profession I can think of in this entire world than that of being an abortionist.



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