Bob White UFO Material New Unknown Alloy

Larry,
Thanks for introducing us to this interesting item.
I will be watching out for the program when it is aired as I have an interest in materials, UFO’s and any materials that UFO’s might be made of .

I have some observations and questions that I would like answering, If you can answer some great, if not then no problem, I will have to see if the program does.

You quoted “scientists say that this object was formed outside of our atmosphere.” Since we are talking about an Aluminium alloy, I find the use of the words “object” & “formed” interesting. Are these your choice of words or the Scientists? In the wonderful world of metallurgy, there are many materials which are made & joined “outside of our atmosphere” because we can produce those atmospheres artificially, here on Earth, under laboratory conditions. One should not overlook that.

I would not let the appearance of it here ufoevidence.conforums.com... suggest to me that it is “a piece of a UFO.” I have seen metals processed into more breathtaking & mind blowing shapes and surface textures than that however, I am not saying that it isn’t either. I need to know more of its make-up if you know what I mean.

Of all the tests carried out, were they both destructive and non destructive tests? Can you give us more technical data such as mechanical properties of the material such as: Density, UTS, VHN, Ductility, CVN and how do these properties compare with those of the 2000 or so known Aluminium alloys ?

How did the grain structure appear on the macro’s? Was there any obvious phase pattern? Are there any signs of fracture on the object? If so was it brittle or ductile fracture? What do you know of its atomic structure? Is it FCC or BCC or is it an atomic structure unknown to mankind?

You quote “we had identified fast neutron radiation in the object when i sent the information to him to review plus gamma and beta. also it was producing a readable EMF signal and is still doing that to this day. megaherzt is in the 500 range.”
Is this thing or was it ever emitting gamma radiation as you state? If so, what readings are you taking at 1 meter distance?

Did the owner approach the ASTM about this object and if so, did they witness or verify any of the testing? Have you considered that it may be man made but of military quality?
Nice thread, please keep us updated of any further results,

PEACE,
RK

reply to post by ArMaP

this question will be covered indepth on the UFO HUNTERS SHOW..

this is an unknown alloy and there is no one producing aluminum wiht this a high silicon content with morphying of the latice structure into what the BWO has.

the closest manufactured aluminum made around here is a welding rod.

and thats not really close...

larry

The date for the UFO HUNTERS SHOW with Bob White and his UFO HARDEVIDENCE TEAM will air May 6, 2009 at 10 pm eastern, 9 pm central.

This is going to be all new information with scientific tests revealing the
complex nature of the alumunim alloy and its unusual make up and morphying of the silicon with the aluminum..

larry

Originally posted by larryroyc

This is going to be all new information with scientific tests revealing the
complex nature of the alumunim alloy and its unusual make up and morphying of the silicon with the aluminum..

do you have any more information on the morphing of the Silicon and Aluminum? -- the show really didn't go into much/enough detail on this. heck they shoulda done an entire episode on the BWO as clearly more research is needed. the fact it burned out 2 or 3 hotel safes in a row and had to be drilled out, was pretty remarkable

Having followed Bob White's journey online for a considerable period now, I unfortunately found the UFO Hunters episode regarding his artifact less than inspiring. I will perhaps add more to this statement later; I wished merely to voice this, my initial, response.

I was expecting more testing to be done

not that i'm ditching the episode or work done on it

but i would have liked to have seen some form of electron microscope shot of it, to see the lattice

also would have liked for tests to have been done to identify the radiation that it emits, if it can expose xray film there has to be something detectable there

and the biggest kicker and some will get a laff out of this but, is there any plans for bob white to get a patent on this formula for an alloy.. like.. its used to make space ships my god.. he needs a patent on that !! so if in 100yrs we are making this stuff ourselves he can profit from it. he did discover the alloy afterall




[edit on 8-5-2009 by hisshadow]

there are responses about this show 3 different places here at ATS.

this link is from the history channel its self..

larry

boards.history.com...

If you were actually paying attention to the episode
> you would have seen that the University Scientist
> (David Lamb) identified all the peaks and elements in
> his XRD. He noted a few unique things about his
> analysis; it contained a high content of Ag and
> included an amorphous peak along with polycrystalline
> peaks. His conclusion was that Bob Whites Object
> (BWO) was very different then any aluminum alloy he
> has seen. At the end of the show Bill stated that Mr
> Lamb had just called in and reported that through
> further analysis the BWO was a quasi crystal.

we have the exact xray defraction test results..the show did not
have time to cover the complete list.....its hard to squeeze 12 years worth of testing into 10 minutes.

as the new scientist states...the testing done so far is
documented and has been reviewed by others..this isnt being thrown out to the sheeples with out having
rock solid results of what we have found from the research
done so far.

we are saying on record exactly what we know now..the facts dont lie...

we have a piece of aluminum that matches nothing made on this planet now or in 1985 when bob white recovered it
on highway 6 west of grand junction colorado in 1985.

we can find absolutely NO PROCESS TO MAKE THIS OBJECT nor can we find anything that comes close to looking like the bob white artifact let alone do half of what it is doing right now.

there is a readable EMF signal in the 500 hertz range coming from the object
and we have multipul testing showing gamma, beta, and fast neutron radiation being emmitted also.

for anyone to jump to the conclusion that the BWO object is MUNDANE shows the ignorance of THE homo sapians who think they got all the answers. Mundane isnt the word i would use.

FANTASTIC, UNIQUE, REMARKABLE or BIZARRE would be the correct words to describe the artifact...

mundane just dont cover it.

as to why the ends of the object are flat is the little end was removed for tests done by NIDS and the large end was removed by LOS ALAMOS for tests done at that lab.

as far as david lamb goes he didnt know what he was testing when we took in a sample of the object. we asked the university hes at to run the XRD tests on a sample of metal..thats all they new at first..

after we had the tests documented on video we told the story...the university refused to bill us because they didnt want their name associated with UFO's. imagine that. david couldnt say where he is at...you notice all the other names where covered also...that is CONSPRISY TO WITH HOLD EVIDENCE and you would be thrown in jail if you did that in court.

david lamb had enough courage to come on record on national television and tell the truth about what he had found. thats all we have ever asked of any lab..THE TRUTH.

that applies to the other scientist Chris Ellis and Dr Robert Gibbons who have gone on record
with true honest answers to what has been found so far.

dr gibbons credentials and expertise in his field as a specialist in nuclear medicine, and work done for NASA and many others is on the record. hes knows what hes talking about when he opens his mouth.

dr gibbons please put your resume down for everyone to see..

larry cekander

ufoevidence.conforums.com...



[edit on 8-5-2009 by larryroyc]

I started a thread related to this stuff here: Is this metal from Earth? it received zero replies, oh well.

I've actually seen some of this supposed crashed craft wreckage with my own eyes. Only small pieces. I don't know what it is, but I respect the guy who showed it to me and he seems to be well connected.

It's good that people are racing each other to disclose.

Originally posted by larryroyc

it has a silicon content 15 times above any aluminum alloy made now.
that is unheard of in alloy casting...

oh really ?

i have already addressed this

here

it does noty have " 15 times silicon content " - why are you or your alleged scientists continueing to lie ????

it just reflects baddly that so bold a claim is so easily refuted

and investigating your other claims reveals other inconsistencies

such as - silver and strontium content

what are they EXACTLY ???

at the time this was recocver mr ape it was impossible to saturate 15 percent silcon into aluminum..

sorry to shoot a hole in your you boat..

that is addressed here ufoevidence.conforums.com...

oh yee of little faith...lol

larry

It does look like a chunk of aluminum that survived reentry, from the teardrop shape to the ablation "scales". That doesn't necessarily mean it's of terrestrial origin, which could account for the odd metallurgical and radioactive properties.

It's a shame they sliced it up like that...

Well, imo, another important part of this story is how it was retrieved, not just the object itself. Bob claimed that a UFO spit this thing out. He did pass polygraph tests (twice as far as I know). However, a red-flag to me is him asking for 10 million bucks for the object at one point. But honestly, I think many people would do the same.

From the last show, the scientists they talked to did say that there was pretty much a 0% chance of this forming naturally (on our planet or anywhere else). I suppose anything is possible, but it would stretch believability to suggest that this particular object recovered, the only of it's kind, formed against billions of odds in space somewhere, and the tiny thing crashed into our planet. That is, if it were not as impossible or uncommon as we think, we'd have found more objects like these. That we have not suggests that yes, it is manufactured (or Bob White found it with perhaps the same odds of getting hit by lightning while being eaten by a shark while scratching off the winning lottery ticket).

Of course, I suppose it could be an elaborate hoax. However, when this was originally discovered, I'd find it hard to believe some random hoaxers would have the ability to produce an object like this, one that would stump scientists. He was no scientist. Would you lump a bunch of metals and materials together and then send it to labs, trying to stump them?

The other option I've considered is that he is making a bit of it up. They did see an orange object fall to the earth, they waited until it cooled off and retrieved it. Perhaps it was a part of a satellite, melted into a weird shape upon reentry. That is the most terran explanation I can come up with.

I don't think the object is hoaxed, but I do think Mr. White is trying to capitalize on it, which could motivate him to embellish. I don't see the possibility of it being ejected from an alien spacecraft as being any more plausible than it's natural formation from extraterrestrial material. More likely is that it is an unknown, man made alloy of unknown application.

When Bob White was on "Judge Joe Brown" he did not fare too well. He took a whole lot of ridicule from the esteemed judge and the peanut gallery. Maybe he can go back now and do the "told you so" dance?