I think we've all had enough of the Meier HOAX... This thread is turning into yet another failed attempt at disproving facts (IIG's research and DEBUNKING) with junk science, hearsay and B.S.

Enough...

Thread closed and headed for the trash bin where it belongs..

Springer...

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This truly is an interesting subject,
I have spent many many hours investigating this case.

At first, I thought the case was a joke, then for the longest time, I didn't know if it was real or the greatest hoax in history. After seeing IIG's investigation I once again thought it was the greatest hoax in history. Now, I am not sure again. IIG did a great job on their investigation compared to other people like Karl Koff or whatever his name is, but there are still many unanswered questions.
I agree that some information of his looks like disinformation, the fact that he states that he is a reincarnation of jesus may be a bit stretched for me. It is very possible that he could be working for the CIA, or brainwashed by the CIA and a disinformation project, or even that the Pleadians could be lying to him and really be the Befath for example, to you Meier investigators. Evidence to bash that is though that Meier always is anti NWO and anti CIA. Although he does support the 500 million person theory, even though in my thoughts, that theory does make sense. To those who disagree, you are wrong. We all deserve a proper standard of living, nobody on this earth should be starving, lacking food, shelter, water, clothes, or the ability to live comfortably to some respect.

Here are a couple of questions for people who want to debunk him.

a) how come his photos are so much better than IIG's photo's?? He does have only one arm right?

b) how did he predict 9/11, the world trade centers collapsing, george bush becoming president, and much more?? I even remembering him saying that Obama would become president, months before he won the election on contact notes?

c) How did Meier get photos of space shuttle outside our atmosphere which was USA craft which was not known to be in space until later? How did he get such good photos of these?

I am still a skeptic searching for the truth.

What do you people think of "creation" opposed to "religion"

Please not this rubbish again

Please not this rubbish again

regarding the optical anamolies about the wedding cake[headache] ufo....
here is the excerpt from pp. 24, 26 of Stevens' Message from the Pleiades, vol. 1:

"The lower side of the disc seemed to vibrate as though it were alive. It looked like little waves running continuously in and through the underside of the ship, by which the skin appeared damaged and old, nearly like a washing board. These waves seemed to be irregular and kind of inconsistent, but very peculiar and of energetic character. Solid matter seemed to dissolve in the radiation of these waves. The truck looked like it was suddenly enveloped in heat-waves. I could not see it clearly, and besides this it seemed much farther away than the UFO which hovered only 50 meters behind it in the air. Still it seemed like the object was in the foreground and the truck much more behind it, which in fact was not the case."

also somewhere quetzal mentioned that the wcufo emits a radiation waves upto around 400-500 metres length...as we are completely ignorant about the mechanics and the workings of the crafts properties and its optical effects....
Most of the video taken of this ship was destroyed by the radiation effects of the craft itself. Billy claimed to have finally built a lead casing around the camera (a SABA brand video camera) to shield it from the magnetic radiation in order to film this.
so from in the above 3 pics,we can assume that the anamolies are occured due to the radiation effect causing light to bend and diffract....


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IIGWEST claimed MARCEL VOGEL didnot do spectral analysis to find the elemental composition of the metal specimen.

BUT THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG...


here below is the The Preliminary Investigation Report
by Wendelle Stevens,copyrighted 1982,1981,1980,1979,1978.
page 432....
only requirement necessary is for the observer to have "eyes"...



my request to IIGWEST is to do a more thorough investigation rather than careless one.
we have to ask ourself,there is no proof of fakery but we have many many ideas,opinions,assumptions of how he did it....if this case is true,then the persons who stood by the case as a hoax will have to feel guilty for the rest of their lives...The man billy meier forget about case being a hoax or true..but what hes trying to do is to bring true peace to earth and the only persons in the middle of peace and us humans is irrational people....


Fear not what is not real,never was and never will be.What is real,always was and cannot be destroyed.

"These are the links to Jim Dilettoso saying that the Wedding Cake UFO is a fake and that he was unaware that Michael

Horn was still using his 20+ year old analysis and presenting it as though it was recently done:
www.theparacast.com...
media.podcastingmanager.com... "

i listened to both of them....

" Jim Dilettoso saying that the Wedding Cake UFO is a fake "

Jim actually said there are two ways

1-subjective brain-mind-eye thing

2-Data model,which i havent done

that clearly says that he has not done any data processing of WCUFO ships and hes just letting out his opinion

according to wat he has seen & analysed many other UFO pics in his life(most of them are fake and are not at this

close distance from the camera to make a clearcut judgement)...

SO this clealry is not a healthy skepticsm sir...taking opinions rather than facts...

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IN that audio at 1:40:00 and 2:00:00,jim says he never said that those crafts are of paranormal nature...

i agree with him he never said that those were of EXTRATERRESTRIAL in nature,what he said was there was no evidence of

hoax...

i didnt find micheal horn saying anywhere that jim dilettoso anlaysed and found that these were of EXTRATERRESTRIAL

SPACECRAFTS..

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At 1:46:00

JIm says that the equipment he used at that time was almost same as the equipments used in present day

technology[MEDIA CYBERNETICS]..u will hear him say "fourier transforms are fourier transforms,histograms are

histograms".
he concludes that only the resolution and speed of the machine changed but the analysis procedure pretty much remained

the same...

so let ur pics be processed thru the same equipment as meiers...

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photo analysis document is for free at www.theyfly.com but not for $30 as the guys in the radio show says...seems they

really know nothing except bad mouthing,character assasination and laugh at anything that doesnt make sense to their

minds...

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also in the radio show,they say "BIlly said that he was the reincarnation of jesus"..

BIlly never said that he was the incarnation of jesus anywhere..if u can show me.try it...
this is misrepresenting facts and called disinformation..
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my request:being in a respected position like independednt investigative group.u have the repsonsibilty sir,to pave

way for the world into light of knowledge and wisdom but not the way towards disinformation,character

assasinations,slandering....

hope u realise the weight of the situation and turn towards the true healthy skepticism...
wish u all the best


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[edit on 5-11-2009 by mahigitam]

Originally posted by Springer
I think we've all had enough of the Meier HOAX... This thread is turning into yet another failed attempt at disproving facts (IIG's research and DEBUNKING) with junk science, hearsay and B.S.

Enough...

Thread closed and headed for the trash bin where it belongs..

Springer...

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[edit on 5-6-2009 by Springer]

I think the people supporting Meier in this thread make some valid points which have not yet been debunked. It would seem that ATS have made up their mind and don't want any kind of dialogue on the issue. Which is the whole point of ATS is it not?

Please Springer if you have any evidence that 100% proves the Meier case to be a fake then share it with us.

Originally posted by elyaeno
Perhaps they re waiting until Meier will admit it

Even if that ever happened, there would still be those who would believe that he was confessing under duress, and that somebody "got to him."

I would simply like somebody to take the time and effort to gather up all the available materials, organize them as much as possible, scan them at the highest practical resolution and present them in a coherent format. Not just piecemeal like has been done since day one.

One would think that something like this, arguably one of the most important events in the history of mankind, would be documented a little better than an average company picnic or ordinary wedding. But I guess not.

I think it is good to have debunkers like this when it comes to peoples beliefs because it proves fraud.
People can get sucked in and then loose their money in important ways.
I love explanations like this because it is descriptive and informative and does provide explanations.

I don't like debunkers that come out with things that don't add up. Like saying certain photos of mars are rocks when the clearly seem not to be. When people debunk they need to be descriptive like this.

I know it is easy for debunkers to over shoot their effectiveness by describing with out clearly looking and analyzing.

When debunkers hit the nail on the head, it can be a life changer for people especially religions. Because people need guidance if it is based on true facts. They could be stuck in a religion that it's leaders don't want to give up their knowledge of false facts because they are making money and that is too hard to let go.

I am one to be amazed at the incredible information on ufo's out there. But things can really get serious when people put practically their whole life into something with out substance. It is SO important to have the facts. The roots of that belief system. Is it truly legit or not.

I was in a religion that I would of sworn that it was true, until I studied it's roots and wow it opened up a new interest in learning that what was told me simple didn't add up with all the information out there. And a feeling of being set free became apparent.

So I have to say kudos to debunkers when done the right way and not just off-the-cuff!