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1773 Boston Tea Party = 2009 Tea Parties - History Is Repeating And Time Wave Zero

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posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 12:52 AM
According to the time wave zero hypothesis we are seeing a repeat of history.

So we know that the Boston Tea Party happened in 1773 followed by England passing the "Coercive Acts" law which closed Boston Harbor to trade and commerce until England was paid back for the destroyed tea...which led to additional acts of protest such as the "tea Parties" we are seeing now, which led to the Revolutionary war in 1775!

So Texas is now starting a "revolt" against the Federal Government attempt to hold power over states rights. So is this the starting of a NEW Revolutionary War? Will other states also do the same?

It is something to think about. Consider,..if many people stopped paying their taxes, I'm not advocating that, just saying if it happened, that with all of these bail outs and now the revelations that much of the money spent went to crooks and thieves, and now, I'm quite sure, that huge taxes on just about everything will be shortly levied, could there really be something to this Time-Wave Zero formula?

It looks to be a valid argument in favor of TWZ.

Link For A Simple & Good Explanation Of TWZ

[edit on 15-4-2009 by TH3ON3]

posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 12:55 AM
The Tea Parties seem to have been totally ruined and commercialized.

I mean, people from FOX News are going to be at the Tea Parties for Christ's Sake. People like Sean Hannity are trying to make it seem like the whole point of the protests is "taxes." LOL, what a bunch of B.S.

posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 01:01 AM

Originally posted by Diplomat
The Tea Parties seem to have been totally ruined and commercialized.

I mean, people from FOX News are going to be at the Tea Parties for Christ's Sake. People like Sean Hannity are trying to make it seem like the whole point of the protests is "taxes." LOL, what a bunch of B.S.


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posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 01:03 AM
reply to post by Diplomat

Well all it takes are a few "innocent" acts to start down the path of revolution. I'm sure the Feds don't take a kind eye towards these events, and what if some really bad things happen at several, further escalating the bad feelings towards the government?

posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 01:04 AM
They are trying to make it into a Right/Left thing, as usual. We know it has nothing to do with Republican or Democrat, but of course they keep pushing it to distract everyone.

I can just hear the "Democrats" tomorrow when they see the news. "Wow, look at all these Right-Wing extremists, protesting and all upset because their side lost the election." lol, the idiots don't even have a clue. If Bush was still in office all the Republicans would be saying, "Wow, look at all those left-wing nuts, mad because their side lost."

posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 01:24 AM
reply to post by TH3ON3

I always wondered how that would play out. When i heard about these "tea parties" a month ago, to occur on tax day, I thought it meant that everyone was going to not file. But it turns out that people are just going to tea-bag Congress (what?). I thought, how pathetic. But what if there is a large number of real dissenters, people that don't file. What if in the next couple of weeks they realize enough people did not file and it causes them to enact a state of emergency and start putting people in camps or just killing them!

I can breath now.... Ah! pessimism porn!

posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 03:36 AM
I put forth this idea on April 1 over at my timewave thread, here's the post:

I had a look at that blog post the other day - it's a good explanation of the correlation between what's happeing around us and what the timewave is showing. Anyway, I agree. I, like many others feel it, especially right now.

Whether higher-ups planned all this, or chaos and complexity are accelerating, I have found one thing about the human experience to be absolutely true: history repeats certain 'themes' via a fractal process. The current theme is revolution.

Cycles of the same 'themes' of experience repeat in the same order over and over throughout human history, however each cycle happens quicker than the one prior. These cycles began as epochs in length, and now they only last a few years. This idea was developed by Terence McKenna and is referred to as Novelty Theory (Timewave Zero). A few other that have put forth similar ideas are Gregg Braden and Jose Arguelles.

See the comparisons below.

We are currently at the end of the 67.29 year cycle (see my signature for the exact location). Here is another image illustrating the spiral overlay contributing to the repetitive nature of our experience.

Below are screenshots from the Timewave program showing our current place on the graph. This first image shows April 17 (the peak we're currently ascending).

I'll now take you back in time to each instance the pattern emerged in history. The first shows our current position is equal to that of 1776 (the American Revolution, founding of the Bavarian Illuminati), hence the theme of 'revolution' and 'upheaval.'

And these take you even further back:

Likewise, this takes you into the future to the next time we experience an even more highly compressed version of now - November 30, 2011.

And the one that follows that is December 20, 2012 (10:08pm):

So as you can see, if this graph does accurately represent the entire historical human experience (which I believe it does - it's all there), then it explains why we perceive things to be so crazy right now. Novelty, chaos, perceptions of change, expectations of change, stress, technological progress, speed of information, communication, awareness - it's all accelerating, and will continue to do so until infinite compression is reached. Once that happens, no one can tell what life will be like. It's beyond our capability of knowing.

Aside from the Mayan long count calendar ending, this I believe is the definitive 2012 prediction. Everything else is on the level of Nostrodamus riddles and scary stories. This is what's happening, and we all feel it.

If you're interested, you can have a look at my thread on the subject: Timewave Zero - a closer look.

Here are a few videos I put together on the subject as well. The first a timelapse sequence of screenshots mapping 2009.

And here is a little video where McKenna speaks about time acceleration (I uploaded one to ATS Media, but it was a bit jumpy):

posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 03:50 AM

Originally posted by Evasius
I put forth this idea on April 1 over at my timewave thread, here's the post:

Thanks for posting that. That's some interesting stuff to think about.

I have a question though. How can that evolutionary cycle be correct when there is still such a large divide in the lifestyles and cultures of humans on Earth today? Many people in places like Africa or Asia are still living in horrible conditions without technology, so in their eyes the evolutionary time wave you've shown wouldn't really apply to them, I guess it really only applies to the developed nations of the world. Maybe those people in Africa wouldn't "perceive things to be so crazy right now" because they don't even know what's going on in the rest of the world.

posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 05:01 AM
The tea parties of 2009 are a weak protest, it shares the same idea of revolution but its nothing like what it was back then.

I want to say its a gimmick, but thats not the word i am looking for. I mean throwing tea into a river...but this tea has 0 meaning today.

YOU MEAN WE DIDNT GET OUR SHIPMENT? ahhh no worries, brb, running down to the store.

so what the hell is the point?

You can say, well they are making a stand, and blah blah... no they are not. they are making themselves out to be something else.


check this out - its from the movie "waking life" - rent it or buy it.

posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 06:46 AM
reply to post by TH3ON3

So is this the starting of a NEW Revolutionary War?

A revolutionary war would be impossible and if it was to happen would be a total slaughter. Imagine regular people with regular gun going against the US military. Back then there were no take, missiles, aircraft, advanced guns, etc... Imagine lightly armed untrained citizens fighting against the federal government. Not gonna happen. Tea parties today are just symbolic but actually are not going to accomplish anything.

posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 06:47 AM
I'm guessing that the whole thing fizzles. A couple cities (probably San Antonio, for one) get decent turn-outs, and the smaller cities have a handful of people standing around with anti-Obama signs. The rest of the country sees the San Antonio protest on TV and says "those crazy Texans again...there's got to be something wrong with a state that takes in George Bush and Kwame Kilpatrick within a two week span...

Even if it fizzles, though, the fact that nation-wide protests have been organized is a sign of potential turbulence in the future. I'm not sure if we've seen this in America since the Civil Rights movement.

EDIT to say: I don't have a problem with Texans, but there is a negative perception in much of the US. The mainstream media does that state NO favors.

[edit on 15-4-2009 by theWCH]

posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 07:24 AM
reply to post by tide88

i don,t think you have considered the nature of guerrilla fighting. Imagine Viet-nam or Afghanistan, only this time the people are better armed and better educated. The money to the government is starting to trickle out. Supply chains to the military are broken down. Snipers working on any type of military target. Supplies having to shut down due to threats and lack of workers. The revolutionaries blending in with the people and even heavily infiltrating the military complex. Saboteurs hitting targets all along the supply chain. A target rich environment for the revolutionaries and massive protest over the innocents killed by the military. Orders having to come down the chain of command while hit and run squads decimate the military. Poor moral and desertion due to having to fight against family and friends. It is not all about tanks and planes. Besides most heavy weapons would be useless as there would be no clear makings of enemy lines or territory. If you look at it from a tacticians point of view is is all to easy for the military complex to loose this type of encounter. Why do you think the focus lately has been on urban assault?



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 08:15 AM
I want to give you a copy of the reason I fight I want you to know first hand why we go against TPTB and why we are growing day by day hour by hour minute by has nothing to do with taxes or tea it has everything to do with out of control government spending...why are there more than 2200 cities protesting this today April 15th 2009 and until the Lexington Green April 19th, 2009...

a blast from the past a true golden oldie...

""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to object to such Government— Such has been the patient sufferance of these Citizens; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to reform their Systems of Government. The history of the recent Federal Government is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let these Facts be submitted to a candid (and complacently medicated) world. ..""

This is why we fight this is why face jackbooted thugs and batons aimed at our heads, rubber bullets, water cannons and jail for what...??? for peacefully demonstrating for your rights right no left no dems no gop no libs and no damn militia...peace and only peace that is the answer when a million people march against the white house on July fourth will your voice be heard...will we hear your voice today will you speak out against the TPTB and try to stop them peacefully ...??? can they bring enough batons to shut us up...TPTB want us to riot, so they can say we told you so we told you if people come together they will riot and cause carnage....why did the army and the FBI send teams to the End the FED protests on Nov 22nd last year...tapping the phones of the organizers and adding them to the no fly list...why does the MIAC and DHS report state that if you fly the gadsen flag in front of your house or have a ron paul sticker you are a's because you drink the water they feed the research these have nothing to do with fox and nothing to do with obama. We are fed up we have had it the economy is in the tank even long time economists claim that we are headed for the worst economic disaster that this country has ever seen and we the people are subject to the unstoppable cascade the banksters have started...1.88 million people voted that Obama gets an F in the first 100 Days...well that is quite the report card isn't it..?? did you ever get an F when you were a Kid ..???? did you get a Spanking..?? did you get yelled at..?? well my fight has been going on for more than a hundred days that's for sure and I'm absolutely sure that today when I join the ranks yet again, to go head to head with the struggle...there will be a couple of baton wielding thugs there to stop me.. we fight to end the fed or at least to make them accountable...

"Do you think freedom is free...????"

posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 12:39 PM
Not to stray off topic here but where were all these tax/spend/gov't debt/gov't waste "rebels "when Dick Cheney had Congress raise the national debt ceiling to $10 Trillion a couple years ago. I remember saying to myself "is this insanity or what? we're never going to be able to repay this debt".

So if these people want to pay less taxes and have less gov't debt and waste, etc., who's going to pay for our monsterous Medicare/Medicaid system (aka - the biggest socialized medicinal system in the world infested with fraud), our wars, military occupations, and grossly overbudgeted defense contracts (again, infested with fraud), social & corporate welfare programs, and general welfare to the nations of the world?

Anyone, please help me to understand this, i'm a little confused? Thank you.

[edit on 15-4-2009 by TypeSH2001]

[edit on 15-4-2009 by TypeSH2001]

posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 03:06 PM
The amount of people willing to fight such a superior power would be so small it would be stamped out within an hour. It would take one rebellious force or militia to get completely wiped out for the rest of them to put down their arms. I realize alot on this site are gun ho about starting a revolution and taking up arms but this is an internet web forum. I bet most , 98%, would wuss out if it came to that. It would be a battle that couldnt be won. Especially over in the USA where people value the lives of innocent people as well as their own. It is different in afghanistan, Iraq, and the middle east. Those people are willing to kill innocent people as well as die themselves. Americans value life too much. There will never be another American revolution, at least not a violent one. It would be over in less then a day and thousands would lose their lives. Talk about a complete disaster. You think the government is taking away your freedoms today. If there was a revolution there wouldnt be any freedoms. Talk is cheap. Even cheaper on internet forums. The amount of people actually willing to fight and quit their jobs would be less then 5% of the population.

[edit on 15-4-2009 by tide88]

posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 06:11 PM
reply to post by tide88

Well, first of the first "revolutionary" war was fought with only about ten percent of the population in support. The founding fathers thought that they would be tried and convicted of treason.

Second, I really do not think that you are aware of the capability and resourcefulness of the American people. We are a true sleeping giant. Yes a good number of them would follow anything that was told to them, but I am all to aware of a larger percentage that is starting to wake up. We are a free and carefree lot usually, but on occasion we wake up and and become a force to recon with. Even a rabbit will fight if cornered.

Every fighter has a fighters chance. We were the underdog once and can survive being the underdog again. We did not come to be the leaders of the world by sitting on our butts. We did it with hard work, ingenuity, and often pure guts. It is still there, but hidden. Don,t give up the fight before the first blow is struck.

No one would even quite there jobs. That is one of the advantage of fighting a guerrilla type war. You don't stand in a line and fight like the British did. You hit and run. Disperse into the populace, and do it all over again. Only a fool would stand up toe to toe and fight a giant. Many here are veterans of one of the strongest military forces in the world, the people are well armed and informed. And we don't have to play by their rules.

Yes Americans highly value life, but they highly value freedom as well. In a war there will be casualties, but there are more than you know that are ready and willing to lay down their life for this country. They love this country. They hate this government.

The people created this country for those that seek a better way of life and for years we have had it. America has stood as a bastion of freedom and liberty to the world for many years. Do not think that because we have stood by and watched it evaporate that we do not care. What has any other nation on earth done to bring a glimmer of hope for the common man? What other nation of hope offers the "American Dream". Do not ever underestimate the peoples love of this land be confused with there disgust for what it has become.



[edit on 15-4-2009 by reluctantpawn]

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