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Originally posted by astrocreep
The whole SUV thing is a red herring. Either take to task the true environmental concerns or unmasks yourselves for what you are. Mostly political activists with little or no scientific knowledge of ecology who have stumbled on a weapon to further your agenda. CO2 is not a threat.
Originally posted by SpittinCobra
Jungle, you are chosing not to see Bush's lies. For everyone of Kerry's lies you can find one of Bush's.
To me it does not make a diffrence who is there, they are all the same. period. This is the worse of two evils. can the there be a worse evil. Evil is Evil.
I have never voted, I am nether a Rep, or Dem. I think that you can not get hung up on lies, I expect everyting to be lies. If it is truth you want, vote Nadar. He will be more honest than the two nitwits.
Originally posted by Yoda
Can't really agree with this...
www.suv.org...
Originally posted by junglejake
Kerry's claim to have been favored by foriegn leaders he had met to win the presidency. CNN did a search to see if Kerry had met with any foriegn leaders during his cantidacy and could not find any instance. Unless he comes out to say who these leaders are that he met, I assume that this is a bald faced lie.
This is an assumption on your part. it could still be true and I believe it is. I would take it that foreign leaders are a bit hesitant to express their desires for presidency so as not to foul up the election and make enemies before and after if the wrong person wins.
John O'Neill (served in the same unit as John Kerry on the Navy's swift boats in the Macon River Delta region and has first-hand knowledge of events where John Kerry served) charges that Senator John Kerry betrayed the truth and lied when making sensational charges about alleged "war crimes" by American servicemen as a cyncial ploy to jump-start Kerry's election campaign for Congress. Kerry invented the charges, O'Neill believes, as a public relations stunt to run for his first election as a Congressman.
That's O'Neil's take.
In 1990, running for reelection to the Senate, he donated $1,835 to charity. After winning, he ponied up a total of $975 in the next three years.
So?
And now let's look at how close he is to the people he claims to represent:
On Nantucket Island, for a $9.1 million beachfront "cottage," technically owned by Windy Point Trust, she pays $23,552.09 a year in property taxes.
In Pittsburgh, she owns a $3.1-million home on Squaw Run Road, a name that would definitely not be tolerated if a Republican lived there. The taxes are $14,632.80.
In Georgetown, her O Street mansion is worth $4.3 million, and costs her $41,627.14 annually in D.C. property taxes.
In Boston, she purchased a palace on Beacon Hill with an assessed value of $6.4 million, and was kind enough to put her 60-year-old husband's name on the deed. Annual property taxes: $62,794.08.
In Idaho, she hobnobs with her fellow Beautiful People in the only county in Idaho to vote for Al Gore in 2000. Her rebuilt barn, "outsourced" from the U.K., is assessed at $2.7l6 million, and her annual real-estate taxes are $30,728.78.
That's close to $175,000 a year in property taxes alone, but Teresa has no cash-flow woes.
Much has been written of the senator's 42-foot Hinckley powerboat, which cost at least $800,000. Less noticed has been Teresa's much more expensive plaything - a Gulfstream V private jet. It's named the Flying Squirrel, not after Bulwinkle's pal Rocky, but after her favorite ski run in Sun Valley.
Aviation industry sources say the Flying Squirrel is worth about $35 million. It's the deluxe model .
"To charter a Gulfstream V costs $5,000 to $6,000 an hour," says one pilot. "Hers has everything - plasma TV, two bathrooms, fancy mahogany and burlwood paneling, gold-plated fixtures."
The only possible aviation upgrade, in other words, would be Air Force One. Which would certainly reduce the Widow Heinz's household expenses.
A man of the people, for the people? :shk: What a stand up guy.
When you talk about the "man of the people, who is "she."
Well, its just a matter of putting climatology and science over politics.
Federal law gives heavy sport utility vehicles permission to emit higher levels of toxic and noxious pollution - carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons, and nitrogen oxides. Sport utility vehicles can spew 30 percent more carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons and 75 percent more nitrogen oxides than passenger cars.
Originally posted by SpittinCobra
I hear what you are saying. Everyone lies. You cant say you dont or havent. that would be a lie.
Originally posted by Colonel
This is an assumption on your part. it could still be true and I believe it is. I would take it that foreign leaders are a bit hesitant to express their desires for presidency so as not to foul up the election and make enemies before and after if the wrong person wins.
So you're going to take what Kerry says with blind faith? That he visited dignataries under cover of night, so no one could trace who they were? What if Bush had made the same claim, not without evidence, but evidence that supported that Bush was lying? I don't see you buying that one...
That's O'Neil's take.
And he was there, we were not.
When you talk about the "man of the people, who is "she."
"she" was supposed to be John Kerry...You can call him names if you want, but I'll continue to call him "him".
Originally posted by junglejake
Originally posted by Colonel
So you're going to take what Kerry says with blind faith? That he visited dignataries under cover of night, so no one could trace who they were? What if Bush had made the same claim, not without evidence, but evidence that supported that Bush was lying? I don't see you buying that one...
No, I am going to take it that he spoke to them on the phone and they gave him their support.
And he was there, we were not.
So was Kerry
"she" was supposed to be John Kerry...You can call him names if you want, but I'll continue to call him "him".
Now, you're lying. "She" is John Kerry's wife, heir to the Heinz fortune. "She" is not running for president so let's not include her to prop up your attacks against Kerry...decorated war veteran, Kerry.
[Edited on 26-4-2004 by Colonel]
so let's not include her to prop up your attacks against Kerry
Originally posted by junglejake
so let's not include her to prop up your attacks against Kerry
My reply to that:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Originally posted by Colonel
Oh, you think you're swift don't ya. Well, listen, Kerry's wife isn't out campaignin for him so she shouldn't be involved. However, Dubya wheels his wife out there every chance he can get to espouse the virtues of Bush, hence the lying poem. So, she is fair game.
Originally posted by Colonel
Well, listen, Kerry's wife isn't out campaignin for him so she shouldn't be involved. However, Dubya wheels out his crotchety old waxfigure wife every chance he can get to espouse the virtues of Bush, hence the lying poem. So, she is fair game.
Originally posted by Colonel
I read the article and apparently I've been mistaken. Heinz Kerry is campaigning for him. So what. She may be campaigning but she is not running for office so her financial background should not be included.
Originally posted by Colonel
Kerry is a war vteran with a Silver and Bronze Star and you attack him daily, yet Bush has ducked war like a coward and hasn't even been to ONE funeral of a war that HE caused over a lie. But, i guess its cool for Bush to "dress up" like a war hero.