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FEMA Admits to UFO's

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posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 08:42 PM
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reply to post by PowerSlave
 


Yes it is subjective. What is objective is the statement that the chapter was omitted from subsequent editions.

You wondered why it wasn't in first edition. I quoted that statement because it was the only indication I could find (on short notice) that the chapter appeared in only the second edition.

[edit on 4/14/2009 by Phage]




posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 08:42 PM
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You mean the one that wrote countless books about fire fighting

that guy?

cmon Phauge , your slipping my friend

to try to discredit his creditials is ...kinda sad



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 08:44 PM
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Yes but what the later omission indicates, is subjective. What are you suggesting it indicates?

Apparently I need eleven more characters to ask this question.



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 08:46 PM
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reply to post by Malcram
 

Never mind that the date is off by 6 months. So the people that saw hundreds of bombers were right too? The ones that saw a blimp? The ones that saw a giant butterfly? The one's that saw nothing? The ones that saw aircraft shot down. The ones that saw bombs falling. All of the eyewitness were correct?



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 08:46 PM
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reply to post by Seany
 


The credentials of the "retired firefighter" who co-authored the FEMA approved firefighters manual in question:

"CHARLES (CHUCK) BAHME is the author of many fire service
articles as well as books, including the Handbook of Disaster
Control, predecessor to the Fire Officer's Guide to Disaster
Control, Fire Service and the Law, Fire Officer's Guide to
Dangerous Chemicals, Fire Protection for Chemiculs, Fire
Officers Guide to Emergency Action, Firemen's Law Book, and
Fire Officer's Guide to Extinguishing Systems. After responding
to a devastating chemical explosion in the City of Los Angeles
he wrote its Dangerous Chemicals Code, the first comprehensive
set of regulations ever adopted by any municipality pertaining
to hazardous materials. Following his naval service in World War
II he was called upon to write U. S. Navy: Structural Fire
Fighting for the Chief of Naval Operations.
In thirty years of
service with the City of Los Angeles Fire Department he
advanced through the ranks from recruit to deputy fire chief,
the rank he held at the time of his retirement. During that
period he augmented his A.B. degree from UCLA with a Juris
Doctor degree from Southwestern University. Through the same
years he served with the U. S. Navy: six years of active duty
during World War II and the Korean conflict, and twenty-eight
years with the Naval Reserve, in which he retired with the rank
of Captain.
Chief Bahme is an attorney at law with admission to
practice in California, before federal district courts, the
Supreme Court of the United States, and the highest court of
military appeals. He has taught courses in fire protection engi-
neering a UCLA, and fire administration at USC and various
state, national, and international conferences. He has served
in Europe and the Far East for the Department of Defense and
the U. S. State Department
. In recent years he has been
teaching a course in Political and Legal Foundations of Fire
Protection as a faculty member of Cogswell College's Open
Learning Fire Service Program. He has also served as the NFPA's
Fire Extinguishing Specialist, its Western Representative, and
as chairman of its Committee on Hazardous Chemicals Fire
Fighting. Upon his moving to Lake County, California, he served
as the chairman of his local Kelseyville fire district's board
of directors and as a disaster control visor to his local Red
Cross chapter."


[edit on 14-4-2009 by Malcram]



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by Malcram
reply to post by Seany
 


CHARLES (CHUCK) BAHME is the author of many fire service
articles as well as books, including the Handbook of Disaster
Control, predecessor to the Fire Officer's Guide to Disaster
Control, Fire Service and the Law, Fire Officer's Guide to
Dangerous Chemicals, Fire Protection for Chemiculs, Fire
Officers Guide to Emergency Action, Firemen's Law Book, and
Fire Officer's Guide to Extinguishing Systems. After responding
to a devastating chemical explosion in the City of Los Angeles
he wrote its Dangerous Chemicals Code, the first comprehensive
set of regulations ever adopted by any municipality pertaining
to hazardous materials. Following his naval service in World War
II he was called upon to write U. S. Navy: Structural Fire
Fighting for the Chief of Naval Operations. In thirty years of
service with the City of Los Angeles Fire Department he
advanced through the ranks from recruit to deputy fire chief,
the rank he held at the time of his retirement. During that
period he augmented his A.B. degree from UCLA with a Juris
Doctor degree from Southwestern University. Through the same
years he served with the U. S. Navy: six years of active duty
during World War II and the Korean conflict, and twenty-eight
years with the Naval Reserve, in which he retired with the rank
of Captain. Chief Bahme is an attorney at law with admission to
practice in California, before federal district courts, the
Supreme Court of the United States, and the highest court of
military appeals. He has taught courses in fire protection engi-
neering a UCLA, and fire administration at USC and various
state, national, and international conferences. He has served
in Europe and the Far East for the Department of Defense and
the U. S. State Department. In recent years he has been
teaching a course in Political and Legal Foundations of Fire
Protection as a faculty member of Cogswell College's Open
Learning Fire Service Program. He has also served as the NFPA's
Fire Extinguishing Specialist, its Western Representative, and
as chairman of its Committee on Hazardous Chemicals Fire
Fighting. Upon his moving to Lake County, California, he served
as the chairman of his local Kelseyville fire district's board
of directors and as a disaster control visor to his local Red
Cross chapter.

Yes , this is the guy whos CREDITAILS are in question..



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 08:49 PM
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reply to post by Phage
 


That's a silly response as it does nothing to undermine the FACT that:

Just because a number of zig-zagging ufo's were seen (in this case by a group of firefighters) does not mean that there was not ALSO a giant UFO to be seen over other parts of LA.

I never claimed that everything everyone reported was actually there. But just because one thing was seen doesn't mean that this was all that was there to be seen and all that could be seen. That was the point you tried to make, that it had to be one or the other, not both. That's absurd.


[edit on 14-4-2009 by Malcram]



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 08:50 PM
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Where's is the evidence that the chapter was removed?

I only see the second edition and it's in there.

www.amazon.com...

Where's the evidence that it was removed?



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 08:50 PM
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reply to post by Malcram
 


what was that again , o ya

SKEPTIC 101

when you can't discredit the evidence

discredit the source.....



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 08:58 PM
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Who questioned his credentials? No doubt he has a very high level of expertise in the field of fire fighting. How does saying he has a belief in aliens take away from that?



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 08:59 PM
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I was on a scene once and we had an injured alien. After we packaged him and transported him to the ER immigration stepped in and deported him to Mexico.


The current guide does not have anything about how to handle UFO's or ET.

I didnt read this thread so someone else may have already cleared this up. I do believe that edition was released in 1992 and most firehouses do NOT have it.

The newest edition does have The Department of Homeland security's local phone number and a FEMA deathcamp map directory in the back though.



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 09:00 PM
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Do they warn pilots about flying into Santa and his reindeer on Christmas Eve?

Of course this is a big deal.

Look at what's included in the book.

• Disaster planning
• Historical lessons
• Organizational structure & incident command
• Resource management & augmentation
• Training & preparation
• Communications & information management
• Catastrophic fires
• Civil disorders & riots
• Weather-related natural disasters
• Terrain-based natural disasters
• Transportation disasters
• Hazardous materials incidents
• ENEMY ATTACK & UFO POTENTIAL
• Mass casualties and mass evacuation
• Aftermath and recovery

Good stuff.



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by king9072
 

FEMA did not come up with the "plan". One of the pair of authors of the book did. They one who had a strong belief in aliens.


This is what I was referring too, the implications are that he is a tin foiler



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 09:01 PM
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I want a copy of this book!

especially the part about proper care for a injured ET.


It's probin' time!



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 09:01 PM
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Hi all, great thred,

I would think, FEMA being a different entity from the Military side don't follow the same line. RULES/PENALTIES for Exposure of Top Secret Stuff.
Making it a wee-bit easier to release things such as instruction manuals to deal w/EBEs and crashed EBE craft. No matter what the year.

Decoy

[edit on 14-4-2009 by Decoy]



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by Malcram

I never claimed that everything everyone reported was actually there. But just because one thing was seen doesn't mean that this was all that was there to be seen and all that could be seen. That was the point you tried to make, that it had to be one or the other, not both. That's absurd.


[edit on 14-4-2009 by Malcram]


No.
The point I was trying to make that in a high stress situation, at night, under blackout conditions and the threat of Japanese attack eyewitness reports are not reliable. As demonstrated by the various and often conflicting reports from that incident.



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 09:04 PM
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I do not consider people who believe in aliens to be "tinfoilers". But I do believe he let his belief get the better of him in this case.



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 09:04 PM
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That's not what you said. And if that was the point you meant to make - despite saying something quite different - then your comment doesn't even make that point, because some people seeing one thing at one time over a certain part of LA in no way means that there were not also other things to see at other times over other parts of LA. Both can be be true, they don't have to "conflict".



[edit on 14-4-2009 by Malcram]



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Seany
 


I do not consider people who believe in aliens to be "tinfoilers". But I do believe he let his belief get the better of him in this case.


Why Phage , this is one of the times you have no proof

Now you are one of us

relying on your "beliefs"

(hands Phage the tinfoil)



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 09:07 PM
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On what do you base that conclusion?

Have you looked at his credentials? His military and government connections? Maybe he simply let his "insider knowledge" get the better of him in this FEMA approved manual?



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