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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by Wehali
Capitalism leads to slavery and loss of human rights..
It may not be the same slavery as black people working
on coffee plants, but it is slavery nonetheless. I rather get
killed in a gulag than working all my life without getting
any further in life, without getting the chance to develop
as a human being.
That is what Communism does....
Obviously you have no experience in Communism, in Communism the individual doesn't exist, individuality is destroyed in Communism, only through Capitalism can an individual develop as a human being.
Capitalism does not lead to slavery, the only thing leading to slavery are those people in power that want to turn the Republic into True Socialism, or worse Communism.
Originally posted by Wehali
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by Wehali
Capitalism leads to slavery and loss of human rights..
It may not be the same slavery as black people working
on coffee plants, but it is slavery nonetheless. I rather get
killed in a gulag than working all my life without getting
any further in life, without getting the chance to develop
as a human being.
That is what Communism does....
Obviously you have no experience in Communism, in Communism the individual doesn't exist, individuality is destroyed in Communism, only through Capitalism can an individual develop as a human being.
Capitalism does not lead to slavery, the only thing leading to slavery are those people in power that want to turn the Republic into True Socialism, or worse Communism.
Oh my friend, you are so naïve..
Originally posted by pexx421
Thats rediculous neo. Im pretty center of left, and i dont blame Bush for the troubles we have. I have educated myself on american history, and know that both parties are equally responsible for our current situation. I think you mistake the "left" with democrats. The fact of the matter is our problem cannot be blamed on "the republicans" or "the democrats" seperately because in actuality they are both part of our single corporatist party. They are paid by the same lobbyists, and in general their policies only differ slightly, and usually only on fringe issues. We are not ruled now by democrats just as we have not been ruled for the past 8 years by republicans. We are ruled by our corporate oligarchy.
As to america reaching out a hand to others and getting slapped....please tell me when we have ever reached out a hand in good faith? The IMF? the World bank? organizations that we put into power so our bankers could confiscate the natural resources of third world nations? Perhaps you are talking about the 16 wonderful dictatorships we installed around the world, or the many despots we support at great expense to their own people? Perhaps you're talking about the hand we extended to vietnam when they wanted to declare independence from France, or the hand we held out to the philipines, nicaragua, hawaii? Oh, i know, its the hand we held out to Pinochet, Suharto, Mogabe, papa doc and baby doc, chiang kai shek, Saddam Hussein, the Shah. Or perhaps its the steel, oil, and weapons we provided to Nazi Germany and Japan during the first half of WWII. Maybe they should be more appreciative of the training we gave Osama bin Laden when we wanted him to fight afghanistan, or the gases and nerve agents we gave Saddam to use against Iran.
Please give me some examples where america reached out and helped another nation at expense to themselves, without expecting anything in return, and without demanding enormous concessions.
[edit on 14-4-2009 by pexx421]
Originally posted by vkey08
I would like to know how in the world a Capitalistic society (aka Free market) doesn't allow one to improve themselves or develop as a human being?
From what I see around me there are plenty of people expanding their minds simply because of the fact that they have the individual freedom to do so.
And please don't start lecturing me on how I am misled by the mass media, I have family in Cuba, I am allowed to visit them, and I do, that is hardly a free society.
Originally posted by Wehali
Oh my friend, you are so naïve..
With this understood, the Soviet Union appears the greatest megamurderer of all, apparently killing near 61,000,000 people. Stalin himself is responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these. Most of the deaths, perhaps around 39,000,000 are due to lethal forced labor in gulag and transit thereto. Communist China up to 1987, but mainly from 1949 through the cultural revolution, which alone may have seen over 1,000,000 murdered, is the second worst megamurderer. Then there are the lesser megamurderers, such as North Korea and Tito's Yugoslavia.
Originally posted by pexx421
Ah, so because you have family in Cuba, you understand how all cubans feel and can speak for them here? I live in the US, and my understanding of america is massively different and contrary to many of my friends, who ALSO live in the US.
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Now we have a president in the United States who shows to be at least a National Socialist, if not a Communist, and is implementing programs which are reminiscent of 1930s Germany, yet the Obama youths use bright red jackets to demonstrate their love for their Commander in Chief, and his Socialist programs.
Originally posted by InSpiteOf
you do realize that Hitlers Germany was not a workers paradise, right? I fail to see how you are connecting Fascism and Nazism to Communism, or socialism. They are polar opposites and come from two completely different Class ideologies.