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Akhennaton wasn't Moses. There are vast differences between the Ten Commandments and the Egyptian Book of the Dead. I know the conjecture that the Israelites ethics and religious beliefs were borrowed from other religions. To anyone that has actually studied the Jewish Faith, that conjecture is simply that, conjecture. The Torah has both written and oral accounts that explain in more detail what is in the written. Torah-Written, Torah-Oral. You can't understand the Torah by only the written accounts. You have to understand the Oral accounts as well as the written.
Originally posted by Outlawstar
The similarities between the ten commandments and the Book of the dead, Moses and Akhennaton, the dimensions of the ark and the box in the pyramid, and many others similarities, may be due to the possibility that the bible is just a recounting of ancient Egyptian events and pharaohs, which themselves were recorded from a previous civilization...........cant quite remember where I heard this but if anyone can back it up that would be nice
Originally posted by PGTWEED
Akhennaton wasn't Moses. There are vast differences between the Ten Commandments and the Egyptian Book of the Dead. I know the conjecture that the Israelites ethics and religious beliefs were borrowed from other religions. To anyone that has actually studied the Jewish Faith, that conjecture is simply that, conjecture. The Torah has both written and oral accounts that explain in more detail what is in the written. Torah-Written, Torah-Oral. You can't understand the Torah by only the written accounts. You have to understand the Oral accounts as well as the written.
Originally posted by Outlawstar
The similarities between the ten commandments and the Book of the dead, Moses and Akhennaton, the dimensions of the ark and the box in the pyramid, and many others similarities, may be due to the possibility that the bible is just a recounting of ancient Egyptian events and pharaohs, which themselves were recorded from a previous civilization...........cant quite remember where I heard this but if anyone can back it up that would be nice
Originally posted by ghaleon12
The Ark is said to have 2 cherubim (angels) sculptured on top, the arch-angels Michael and Gabriel. God apparently spoke to Moses through the 2 angels on top of the Ark:
And there I will meet with thee, and I will speak with thee from above the ark-cover, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel. Ex 25:22
Having research Kabbalah a bit, this is something I found interesting. "Angels" in Kabbalah are actually "laws". So God spoke through the two laws, the left and the right. The left represents pain or egoistic "taking" and the right represents love and altruistic "giving". So the 2 angels, or laws, act on a person (Moses) through pain and pleasure and that is how God is to speak with us "from above the ark-cover".
I was curious about the characteristic of Michael (the left) and Gabriel (the right) and sure enough, I found something interesting.
www.newadvent.org...
Thus he (Gabriel) is throughout the angel of the Incarnation and of Consolation, and so in Christian tradition Gabriel is ever the angel of mercy while Michael is rather the angel of judgment.
In Kabbalah, the left side on the Tree of Life is called the Pillar of Judgement and the right side is called the Pillar of Mercy. The Sephirot "Din" on the left side translates as "Judgment" and Hesed translates into "Mercy". www.ucalgary.ca...
Sure enough, between Din and Hesed is Tiferet (Glory or beauty). And guess who Tiferet is identified with? Moses.
I find that sort of interesting. The depth of study you can go into to find truth is really astounding. Which is why I find most atheists lazy and not really looking for truth, but that is a whole different topic
[edit on 13-4-2009 by ghaleon12]
Moses was raised by the Pharaoh Pepi II (96 year reign) during Egypt's 6th Dynasty of the Old Kingdom. The events that led up to the Hebrews Exodus brought down the Old Kingdom according to Sefer HaYashar (The Upright Books). The Book of Job is one of the books of Sefer HaYashar. Similarities are not an exact match. You have to prove the Hebrews plagerized their Morals and Ethics from the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
Originally posted by Outlawstar
Originally posted by PGTWEED
Akhennaton wasn't Moses. There are vast differences between the Ten Commandments and the Egyptian Book of the Dead. I know the conjecture that the Israelites ethics and religious beliefs were borrowed from other religions. To anyone that has actually studied the Jewish Faith, that conjecture is simply that, conjecture. The Torah has both written and oral accounts that explain in more detail what is in the written. Torah-Written, Torah-Oral. You can't understand the Torah by only the written accounts. You have to understand the Oral accounts as well as the written.
Originally posted by Outlawstar
The similarities between the ten commandments and the Book of the dead, Moses and Akhennaton, the dimensions of the ark and the box in the pyramid, and many others similarities, may be due to the possibility that the bible is just a recounting of ancient Egyptian events and pharaohs, which themselves were recorded from a previous civilization...........cant quite remember where I heard this but if anyone can back it up that would be nice
Sorry I meant to say between the Ten Commandments and the moral laws listed in the book of the dead, those similarities you cant deny, as for Akhennaton and Moses, I ll give you that one since I havint done enough research, though it is more likely that Moses never existed at all.
You need to back up what you say if you can to convince me, I dont mean that in any sort of sly way, just saying
Originally posted by PGTWEED
Moses was raised by the Pharaoh Pepi II (96 year reign) during Egypt's 6th Dynasty of the Old Kingdom. The events that led up to the Hebrews Exodus brought down the Old Kingdom according to Sefer HaYashar (The Upright Books). The Book of Job is one of the books of Sefer HaYashar. Similarities are not an exact match. You have to prove the Hebrews plagerized their Morals and Ethics from the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
Originally posted by Outlawstar
Originally posted by PGTWEED
Akhennaton wasn't Moses. There are vast differences between the Ten Commandments and the Egyptian Book of the Dead. I know the conjecture that the Israelites ethics and religious beliefs were borrowed from other religions. To anyone that has actually studied the Jewish Faith, that conjecture is simply that, conjecture. The Torah has both written and oral accounts that explain in more detail what is in the written. Torah-Written, Torah-Oral. You can't understand the Torah by only the written accounts. You have to understand the Oral accounts as well as the written.
Originally posted by Outlawstar
The similarities between the ten commandments and the Book of the dead, Moses and Akhennaton, the dimensions of the ark and the box in the pyramid, and many others similarities, may be due to the possibility that the bible is just a recounting of ancient Egyptian events and pharaohs, which themselves were recorded from a previous civilization...........cant quite remember where I heard this but if anyone can back it up that would be nice
Sorry I meant to say between the Ten Commandments and the moral laws listed in the book of the dead, those similarities you cant deny, as for Akhennaton and Moses, I ll give you that one since I havint done enough research, though it is more likely that Moses never existed at all.
You need to back up what you say if you can to convince me, I dont mean that in any sort of sly way, just saying
Not quite. You haven't produced any evidence to prove Moses plagerized the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Assuming the Egyptian Book of the Dead preceeded the Torah?
Originally posted by Outlawstar
Originally posted by PGTWEED
Moses was raised by the Pharaoh Pepi II (96 year reign) during Egypt's 6th Dynasty of the Old Kingdom. The events that led up to the Hebrews Exodus brought down the Old Kingdom according to Sefer HaYashar (The Upright Books). The Book of Job is one of the books of Sefer HaYashar. Similarities are not an exact match. You have to prove the Hebrews plagerized their Morals and Ethics from the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
Originally posted by Outlawstar
Originally posted by PGTWEED
Akhennaton wasn't Moses. There are vast differences between the Ten Commandments and the Egyptian Book of the Dead. I know the conjecture that the Israelites ethics and religious beliefs were borrowed from other religions. To anyone that has actually studied the Jewish Faith, that conjecture is simply that, conjecture. The Torah has both written and oral accounts that explain in more detail what is in the written. Torah-Written, Torah-Oral. You can't understand the Torah by only the written accounts. You have to understand the Oral accounts as well as the written.
Originally posted by Outlawstar
The similarities between the ten commandments and the Book of the dead, Moses and Akhennaton, the dimensions of the ark and the box in the pyramid, and many others similarities, may be due to the possibility that the bible is just a recounting of ancient Egyptian events and pharaohs, which themselves were recorded from a previous civilization...........cant quite remember where I heard this but if anyone can back it up that would be nice
Sorry I meant to say between the Ten Commandments and the moral laws listed in the book of the dead, those similarities you cant deny, as for Akhennaton and Moses, I ll give you that one since I havint done enough research, though it is more likely that Moses never existed at all.
You need to back up what you say if you can to convince me, I dont mean that in any sort of sly way, just saying
I dont have to prove anything, Im simply presenting evidence