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Saudi Court Approves Pedophilia

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posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 12:51 PM
reply to post by Ownification

I blame nothing on liberty, I blame the people who can't control their own actions. Once again, the difference between us and the Muslim nations who allow little girls to be sold as sexual slaves is that here, we have laws against these things, and we put people in jail who commit such atrocities. While in Muslim countries, people want to claim that God approves of such horrors.

Our laws are bounded by principles. What you claim to be bounded by God, is not bounded by God, but men in positions of power who claim they are the representatives of God, and therefore do what ever they want to do as long as it keeps them in power.

The house of Saud isn't controlling these people who commit these atrocities, their belief in a religion that treats women like slaves is what allows these atrocities.

posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 01:47 PM
reply to post by poet1b

Trying to get religion off the hook are we?
(said with yoda's voice/temperament

According to the Bible and Koran a woman, if not ignored, is inferior to a man. This is simple reason alone to not consider the "holy" books as anything but man-made. Not a message from a all seeing, all knowing, all loving, all powerful, God of the Universe, who when you consider has created everything as we know it... would most likely have no need for gender in this creation process.

It is interesting to note that early church fathers debated long and hard
if women were intelligent enough to have immortal souls. The only reason this toxic ignorance was resolved here is because we had the liberty/freedom to evolve. If we didn't have a democratic government with the separation of church and state then we wouldn't be any different then the Saudis.

Some verses/scripts that promote the superiority of men over women:
(note: A woman's lower status to the man's is even related to godliness.)

1 Corinthians 11:3

3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
(Head of every woman is the man)

1 Corinthians 11:7 - 9

7 For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35

34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
(Woman to be silent in church. A woman is not to speak in church)

Ephesians 5:22 - 25

22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
(Wives must submit themselves to their husband, afterall he is the head of the wife)

Colossians 3:18

18. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
(Wives submit to their husband -- the Lord expects it)

1 Timothy 2:9 - 15

9. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
(Women not to wear braided hair, gold, pearls, or costly array.
Women must learn in silence. Women are not to teach and not have
authority over men. Women must be silent. Adam was created first,
then Eve. A woman was deceived, but Adam was not deceived)

Romans 7:2

2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] husband.
(woman bound to her husband for life)

Titus 2:3 - 5

3 The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 [To be] discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
(Women to obey their own husbands)

1 Peter 3:1 -3

1. Likewise, ye wives, [be] in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
2 While they behold your chaste conversation [coupled] with fear.
3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

1 Peter 3:5 -7

5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.
7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with [them] according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

Genesis 3:16

16. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
(Women will be ruled by men)

Leviticus 12:2

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.

Leviticus 12:5

5 But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.
(Woman unclean for 7 days if she gives birth to a man child.
She is unclean for 14 days to 66 days if she gives birth to woman child)

Esther 1:22

22 For he sent letters into all the king's provinces, into every province according to the writing thereof, and to every people after their language, that every man should bear rule in his own house, and that [it] should be published according to the language of every people.
Job 25:4

4 How then can man be justified with God? or , how can he be clean [that is] born of a woman?
(Any man born of a woman is unclean)

Ecclesiastes 7:26

26 And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart [is] snares and nets, [and] her hands [as] bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.
( Women can be source of evil for men. Men source of evil for
women? -- doesn't say)

Deuteronomy 22:5

5. The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.
( Women not to wear pants, nor men to wear dresses)

1 Corinthians 11:14

14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
(Men not to wear long hair)

[edit on 17-4-2009 by The All Seeing I]

posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 01:50 PM
link for the Koran's turn at bat... in beating down women:

Sura 4: 35. Men are guardians over women because ALLAH has made some of them excel others, and because men spend on them of their wealth. So virtuous women are obedient, and guard the secrets of their husbands with ALLAH's protection. And as for those on whose part you fear disobedience, admonish them and keep away from them in their beds and chastise them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Surely, ALLAH is High and Great.

4: 4. And if you fear that you will not be just in dealing with the orphans, then marry of other women as may be agreeable to you, two, or three, or four; and if you fear you will not be able to do justice, then marry only one or marry what your right hand possess. Thus it is more likely that you will not do injustice.

Sura 2:222. And marry not idolatrous women until they believe; even a believing bond women is better than an idolatress, although she may please you. And give not believing women in marriage to idolaters until they believe; even a believing slave is better than an idolater, although he may please you. These call to Fire, but ALLAH calls to Heaven and to forgiveness by HIS will. And HE makes HIS Signs clear to the people that they may remember.

2:223. And they ask thee concerning menstruation. Say, `It is a harmful thing, so keep away from women during menstruation, and go not in unto them until they are clean. But when they have cleansed themselves, go in unto them as ALLAH has commanded you. ALLAH loves those who keep themselves clean.'

2:229. And the divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three courses; and it is not lawful for them that they conceal what ALLAH has created in their wombs, if they believe in ALLAH and the Last Day; and their husbands have the greater right to take them back during that period, provided they desire reconciliation. And they (the women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in equity; but men have a degree of advantage above them. And ALLAH is Mighty and Wise.

4: 12. ALLAH commands you concerning your children; a male shall have as much as the share of two females; but if their be females only, numbering more than two, then they shall have two-thirds of what the deceased leave; and if there be one, she shall have the half. And his parents each of them a sixth of the inheritance, if he have a child, but if he have no child and his parents be his heirs, then his mother shall have a third; and if he have brothers and sisters, then his mother shall have a sixth, after the payment of any bequests he may have bequeathed or of debts. Your fathers and your children; you know not which of them is more beneficent to you. This fixing of portions is from ALLAH. Surely, ALLAH is All-Knowing, Wise.

4:177. They ask thee for a decision. Say, `ALLAH gives HIS decision concerning `Kalálah. If a man dies leaving no child and he has a sister, then she shall have half of what he leaves; and he shall inherit her if she has no child. But if there be two sisters, then they shall have two-thirds of what he leaves. And if the heirs be brethren - both men and women - then the male shall have as much as the portion of two females. ALLAH explains this to you lest you go astray and ALLAH knows all things well.'

posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 03:24 PM
reply to post by The All Seeing I

Yeah, I certainly don't see many of these religions as a guiding light at all. The bible tells some good stories, but the moral principles aren't always that good. The best part in the whole book is those few lines in the gospel that tells us what Christ taught. Man or God, he said some great things. Too bad the church twisted his teaching around and committed so many bad things in his name.

posted on Apr, 18 2009 @ 03:53 PM

Originally posted by OrangeJuice

How much does the father owe this creep anyway? I'm sure we could donate a few bucks to the family and free this girl.

Now thats a great idea.I would gladly give as Im sure many here would.Does anyone know a soldier stationed in Saudi?

posted on Apr, 18 2009 @ 04:04 PM
the key fault in this argument is that people jump to conclusions, very very easilly.

this isnt america, or england, where everybody is equal, its an islamic nation, where something as small as stealing will result in the removal of your hand, and where women are inferior and the pride of your familly is the most important thing.

your owed some money by a buisness associate, and he cannot settle the debt, so he offers you marriage to his daughter instead, being an islamic nation the respect system plays highly in cases like this, and neither party will wish to offend the other, which could result in a feud between famillys or even whole towns.

The man "marries" this 8 year old girl, now, before i get my throat jumped down, marriage is a legal contract, it does not constitute the man being a paedofile in any way, the girl can legally file for divorce when she hits puberty, which could be any where from 1 to about 4 years away, say that in this time the man never does anything, other than treat the girl like a daughter, no sexual contact or anything, then when the girl reaches puberty, they get a divorce, she carrys on her life, he carrys on his life, there is no familly feud, no shame on anybodys familly and the key part, no child molestation.

there isnt really a guaranteed way of proving the man wont have sex with the child, but the marriage does not automatically prove him guilty of being a paedo/molester and result in his death.

its the same as you being forced into a marriage to someone who you are not attracted to, with the other option being disownage by your familly, and in some cases possibly severe injury or death , remembering this is an islamic state and the laws are much tighter, its not like you can just flee like in the US or england, you get "married" in the legal sence of it, you never sleep together, never have sexual relations, and after the period of time that was discussed is up, you divorce.

The key thing is that it is an Islamic state, with islamic laws and islamic culture, which may seem backwards or wrong to many people, but they may see western culture in the same light. For instance, in the Uk the age of consent is 16, when most people reach puberty and start deciding what they do and dont want to do much younger than that, someone from Islamic culture may say why not change the age of consent down to 14, and offer more help and advice rather than criminalising the act. The fact is that with people of a similar age, the powers that be in the uk do not seem to criminalise underage sex when both partys are of a similar age and over 13 it seems, that the uk trys to guide people to the information, and to say that if they think they are ready then their also ready for all the information about contraceptives and such, Rather than the american system, where a 16/17 year old girl can be arrested for "production of child pornography" for taking naked photos of thereselves, or a 14 or 15 year old couple can have the male labled as a rapist for a long period of time, just because somebody, not either partner, but somebody somewhere else has decided that neither party is old enough to consent therefore it is rape.

The main moral i see in anything like this is that what appears wrong to some, may in reality be much less of an issue, and unless every single fact is presented in a non biased view for everyone, there will always be people pre-judging. Being of the younger generation this may just be my view on the matter but i think that helping people to try understand why things are considered wrong rather than criminalising them is what will help the world progress forwards.

posted on Apr, 18 2009 @ 05:41 PM
reply to post by Chink

So what you're saying is that it's all ok because she can file for divorce when she hits puberty ? Mind you it wasn't stated that she would be granted the divorce, just that she could ask for one. What makes you think that she wil granted one if the man oppposes it, after all she is a mere women and has no voice ?

Are you also saying that it's ok as long as he never touches her in a sexual way, that it should just be overlooked that her own father sold her, as if she is his personal possesion to be equated with money as if she were a slave ?

What about her, what she wants, what about her rights ? Nobody and i mean nobody regardless of their culture or religious beliefs owns another person, nor do they have a right to buy, sell, or trade another human being.

posted on Apr, 18 2009 @ 06:13 PM

Originally posted by fatdad
i wonder why all the pedophiles in the world don't goto Saudi Arabia and convert to the Muslim faith\way of living..a country where you can openly rape children or bugger baby's with the laws blessing... don't the mothers of these children ever say or do anything to stop this repulsive sicking behavior?..

Probably get their kicks from doing it illegally!

Its actually morally wrong, whatever about different creeds etc, this is 100% wrong!
And it should be seen that way by and government or authority!

posted on Apr, 18 2009 @ 09:44 PM
I am a little bit dismayed by the amount of misinformation in this thread and the general anti-islamic sentiment. Obviously the original news source has ant-saudi, anti-iran, anti-islam agenda so forgets to leave out an important fact. and HERE it is: The girl will live with her parents until she reaches puberty, and not with her so called husband.

...The girl is still with her family and there is no suggestion that she will live with her husband until much older...

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

BBC News

Also in many cultures a girl was considered a woman and of marrying age once she reached puberty. I bet many of your great-grand mothers and even maybe grand mothers married when they were teenagers.

I am not saying this is acceptable, but obviously the purpose of this whole marriage was to resolve some sort of business dispute. So stop blaming Islam, which actually protects woman, and since there was no consent by the girl, it makes the marriage illegal anyways. Blame culture not religion, and get your facts straight. The man wont be having sex with her until she reaches puberty, and she is NOT moving in with him. Most likely this will end up in divorce anyways since her mother tried to annul it initially.

Its funny how on many of the threads ATS members point out the importance in reading multiple news sources yet seem to forget their own advice.

[edit on 18-4-2009 by Isfet]

posted on Apr, 18 2009 @ 10:27 PM

Originally posted by chise61
reply to post by Ownification

Then you know that my point is going to be that if these laws have been in effect in saudi Arabia for over 1400 years then America has nothing to do with those laws.

Well it is not of any importance that those laws have been in place for 1400 years, we are talking about the present time line. Those laws have been there for 1400 years which doesn't give America the right to allow it to stay for another 1400 years. The point is that there is a debate going on amongst Muslims related to a whole variety of issues but American interests prevents these issues to come to light.

I am in no way trying to diminish the fact that our government has played a role in some of the atrocities in other countries by continuing to back their leaders, among other things. However i am saying that the main reason that these laws are still in effect is because the citizens of the country don't do enough to change to them.

How can the people change anything when the leaders won't allow it to? Simple question with mind blowing results. If you want them to call for a revolution, well American soldiers which are present in their soil won't allow it.

Americans can not blame another country for what our government does, we can only blame our government and ourselves for allowing it to happen. But i must inform you that a lot of what our government has done has been without our knowledge, and it's only through people like the many on this sight that work to uncover and expose the truth, that many find out about what has been done.

So the point is that the Saudis should blame themselves for the laws which are implemented in that country? I'm assuming that you are making a comparison between the wrong doings of America and the wrong doings of Saudi, where both people should blame themselves for not doing enough. The difference I suspect is that American people are alluded to make such ignorant statements as: "we are free to chose who we elect therefore we are more free and modern".

I may be wrong but i believe that there are many men in these countries that never want these laws to be changed simply because they enjoy having this dominence over women, and of course women have no right to voice their opinions.

Actually both men and women don't have any rights to voice their opinions. What you are talking about is movies, what I'm talking about is first hand experience(being raised in Afghanistan). And no men don't enjoy their dominance, because they are raised by women. This idea which is propagated by Western media is absurd.

If you don't mind i have a few more questions for you, simply because i am trying to find out things that i have no knowledge of and i would rather make an attempt at understanding what i am unfamiliar with rather than judging it. I do not personally know any Muslims so it is hard for me to understand a lot of what i come across, but when my youngest son was in high school he had some Muslim friends in school, when i was in high school i had never even heard of Muslims. He explained to me that there are two different sects of Muslims, I believe it's Sunni and Shi'a ?

He says that one is more extreme than the other and i can never seem to remember which one, i believe it's the Shi'a that is more extreme, please correct me if i'm wrong.

Depends on what extreme means? I never understood the concept of extreme portrayed by the Western media.

My question is are these laws, the ones pertaining to this little girl, Sunni laws, Shi'a laws, or do both sects follow these laws ?

It is not a law, it is the perception that the prophet of Islam married Aisha at the age of 8 therefore giving some type of a hint on what the minimum age should be for marriage.

The problem is that there are various other sources which claims that the prophet of Islam married Aisha at the age of 18. This is historical references which is more credible than mere quotes which were narrated, and these quotes are rated by the number of narrators. If one narrator, the quote has little credibility, and guess how many narrators for the age of Aisha at the time of marriage? Just one. And that individual had memory problem later in his life which decreases his credibility even more. I will post sources for these claims next time since right now I'm a little busy.

He also told me that sodomy is against Muslim law. Is sodomy against Muslim law, and if it is why would there be a law that allows a little girl to be sodomized ?

I am not aware of such a law, if possible please post a source.

I hope that you understand that my questions are not meant to insult, or judge, but rather to learn and understand.

It's a discussion, and I need a smoke after this reply .

posted on Apr, 18 2009 @ 10:37 PM

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Ownification

I blame nothing on liberty, I blame the people who can't control their own actions. Once again, the difference between us and the Muslim nations who allow little girls to be sold as sexual slaves is that here, we have laws against these things, and we put people in jail who commit such atrocities. While in Muslim countries, people want to claim that God approves of such horrors.

Our laws are bounded by principles. What you claim to be bounded by God, is not bounded by God, but men in positions of power who claim they are the representatives of God, and therefore do what ever they want to do as long as it keeps them in power.

The house of Saud isn't controlling these people who commit these atrocities, their belief in a religion that treats women like slaves is what allows these atrocities.

I don't know Poet, really there isn't much to argue about here.

Western society allows the consumption of Alcohol which is the number one cause for crime.

The house of Saud isn't controlling these people who commit these atrocities, their belief in a religion that treats women like slaves is what allows these atrocities.

Well if the Saudis are happy with those laws than why are you complaining? Democracy, the rule of majority. Get over it.

posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 12:06 AM
reply to post by HunkaHunka

I really don't know man

I guess all that I can say is this friend of mine, I met with 3 other of his colleagues whom all claimed that his story was true.
I suppose that their conditioning over-there is so much different to our own that its pretty frightening.
And I guess that if their own courts can pass rulings to this effect, then Human Rights is probably not high on the agenda!

posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 10:35 AM
reply to post by Isfet

Thanks for the link, that is good news to hear. Even in Saudi Arabia these days people are outraged that a girl could be used to settle ones debts. There needs to be more press on the attitudes of the Middle East and the Islamic community that demonstrates that the people there do not approve of such things. It is good to know the girl isn't chained to the guys bed, or couch or whatever.

From what I have read, even over a hundred years ago, marrying girls under the age of twelve was pretty much taboo in western culture. Even then, it was unusual and looked down upon to marry a girl younger than 16. What was allowed in the past, doesn't make it acceptable today. Killing, raping, and pillaging was also acceptable in the past, but that doesn't mean it should be overlooked today.

posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 10:40 AM
THis is not pedophilia. The girl lives with her mother and I don't think she even KNOWS the husband exists.

The issue arrose because the mother went to court to have the marriage anulled (the parents are divorced). The court ruled that the MOTHER could not take legal action to have her daughters marriage anulled, that the DAUGHTER must decide that when she is of age.

That makes sense in a weird way. She is not suffering at all due to the marriage and she will have the choice to anull it if she wants to. They are letting the girl decide which seems reasonable.

posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 10:54 AM
reply to post by Ownification

Alcohol isn't a cause of crime, people's inability to control their own actions is the cause of crime. While alcohol is involved in a great many petty crimes, almost all serious crimes are committed by sober people whose problems are mainly arrogance and hypocrisy. It is the people who think they are better than everyone else who usually rationalizes committing horrible crimes. These people are usually too much of control freaks to consume alcohol, cut loose, and have a little fun. A very high percentage of people who commit horrible crimes tend to be very religious. There is a stronger connection between religion and serious crime than there is between alcohol and serious crime.

You can't call it democracy when half the population isn't given a vote. It is a shame the power that religious extremists are capable of wielding. This is true the world over, but even more so in third world countries. My observation is that while religions talk about being good, doing the things God desires us to do, and going to heaven, what they mainly concern themselves with is controlling peoples sexuality.

posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 11:03 AM
reply to post by Sonya610


It isn't pedophilia for a forty plus year old man to have sex with a eight year old girl because she has decided that she is old enough to have sex? Or shortly after her first period?

What about driving a car, smoking, drinking?

So if your twelve year old daughter brings home some hunky twenty something construction worker and takes him up to her room to have sex, you would be fine with this?

posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 11:24 AM
reply to post by Sonya610

Where did you learn these additional facts of the case? The links in the OP, give no information regarding the case having come to light because of the mother's annulment, nor do the articles tell us where the girl lives, only that the mother is not the legal guardian. Please provide links/further information supporting your claims.

posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 12:31 PM

Originally posted by masonwatcher
Paedophilia and homosexual buggery is forbidden in the Islamic faith. Whatever this horrific story is about, I condemn it.

I also invite you to condemn the teachings below;

The Paedophilia Verses against 3-year old girls:

Paedophilia verses are Numbers 31:17-18 and Numbers 31:35-40. Below, you will see specific verses from the Talmud detailing the paedophile acts against the 3-year old slave girls under the direct command of Moses.

While Christians do not regard the Old Testament the stories that exist in the Talmud in verses Numbers 31:17-18 and Numbers 31:35-40 details the active justification of paedophilia.

Numbers 31: 17-18
17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Numbers 31: 35-40
35And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.

36And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:

37And the LORD'S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.

38And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute was threescore and twelve.

39And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD'S tribute was threescore and one.

40And the persons were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute was thirty and two persons.

Where does it say anything about Jews having sex with three year olds under the command of Moses?? This is a lie.

Islam is always having stories about wife beatings, honor killings, pedophilia, etc. The man who began the religion married one of his wives when she was six and bedded her at age nine. The religion of Islam was started by a child sex predator.

posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 12:43 PM

Originally posted by teapot
reply to post by Sonya610

Where did you learn these additional facts of the case? The links in the OP, give no information regarding the case having come to light because of the mother's annulment, nor do the articles tell us where the girl lives, only that the mother is not the legal guardian. Please provide links/further information supporting your claims.

This is an old story. Numerous articles have been written about the case...

The most recent ruling, in which the judge upheld his original verdict, was handed down Saturday in the Saudi city of Onaiza, where late last year the same judge rejected a petition from the girl's mother, who was seeking a divorce for her daughter.

The relative said the judge, Sheikh Habib Al-Habib, "stuck by his earlier verdict and insisted that the girl could petition the court for a divorce once she reached puberty." The family member, who requested anonymity, added that the mother will continue to pursue a divorce for her daughter.

The case, which has drawn criticism from local and international rights groups, came to light in December when al-Habib declined to annul the marriage on a legal technicality. The judge ruled the girl's mother -- who is separated from the girl's father -- was not the girl's legal guardian and therefore could not represent her in court, according to Abdullah al-Jutaili, the mother's lawyer.

Lawyer Abdullar Jtili said:"The judge has dismissed the plea, filed by the mother, because she does not have the right to file such a case, and ordered that the plea should be filed by the girl herself when she reaches puberty."

"She doesn't know yet that she has been married," Jtili said then of the girl who was about to begin her fourth year at primary school. Relatives who did not wish to be named said that the marriage had not yet been consummated, and that the girl continued to live with her mother.

[edit on 19-4-2009 by Sonya610]

posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 02:33 PM
reply to post by Sonya610

As it stands right now, if the man has honored his pledge and refrained from touching her in a sexual way, it is not pedophilia, just slavery. However once she has her first period he will then be allowed to have sex with her, if she reaches puberty at, let's say ten, then it will be pedophilia.

Pedophilia is not the only concern with this case, the other main concern is that of the father using his daughter to pay off his debt.

Certain things just don't make enough sense to be believable, how does the girl not know that she is married, didn't they have a marriage ceremony ?

It also doesn't ring true that the court says the mother has no legal rights as she is seperated from the father and therefore is not the legal guardian of the child, but yet the girl is supposedly still living with the mother

All the articles state that the girl "may apply" for a divorce when she reaches puberty, that does mean that she will be granted one. Even though she may apply for a divorce when reaching puberty, that does not guarantee that the man will not force himself upon her the minute she reaches puberty and if that were to happen even if she is granted the divorce it will be too late to help her.

I'm sorry but there is absolutely nothing that makes sense or is reasonable about this case. There is no sense, or reason involved when a man is allowed to sell his daughter. They are not giving her the choice to annul it, nor the right to decide, they are giving her the option to APPLY for a divorce they are not saying that it will be granted.

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