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Captain jumps overboard, SEALs shoot pirates, official says

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posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 12:03 AM
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Originally posted by Aztec Riddle
Y'all know nothing about pirates, you can clap and cheer like an idiot at a white captain jack swallow, but as soon as it come to people your government labels "pirates" their scum... DOESn"T IT SEEM ALITTLE ODD THAT THEY WOULD ATTEMPT TO TAKE ON A WARSHIP IN THEIR DINGHYS??!?!?!!? It's all a scam sent to instill fake patriotism among the brain dead masses.


ROFL
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

I've been through the Strait of Malacca on a naval warship. That's another area notorious for modern day piracy. We took the threat seriously enough to have extra people topside with M-16s and flak jackets. Because you can't be too sure what people with nothing to live for are capable of doing.

The US Navy is one of the most professional military forces in the world. The Russian Army is corrupt.

Bravo Zulu to the USS Bainbridge and undisclosed Seal Team. I also have to laugh at the zealots attempting to make political hay out of this. I saw Fox News saying the destroyer should have shelled it on day one. Screw the Captain's life, the pirates are dissing us ! Why don't Obammer do nuthin ?


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posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
That is good news!

But now we get a couple weeks of the left wingers condemning the Navy for shooting the pirates rather than 'rehabilitating' them, and get another movie from Moore about the brutality the U.S. has levied against these poor Somali laborers just trying to make a living. But I guess it's worth it.


but but but ......it was obama who gave the order to end the conflict the way it happened.



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
That is good news!

But now we get a couple weeks of the left wingers condemning the Navy for shooting the pirates rather than 'rehabilitating' them, and get another movie from Moore about the brutality the U.S. has levied against these poor Somali laborers just trying to make a living. But I guess it's worth it.


It's pretty clear by now that piracy is a huge international problem (It has been for years). This is hardly a partisan issue. Somali piracy brings in more hard cash to Somalia than the entire country's GDP.. These guys are nothing more than terrorists. If you can honestly find any politician that doesn't see it exactly like this, feel free to point them out. I think this proves pretty firmly that we will retaliate if pushed too far by a bunch of gun-flailing idiots in dingies.. I don't even think It would be going to far for future American shipments through the region to be forbidden without some kind of U.S. Navy escort. Screw these idiots. I say blast 'em into the abyss before they can even get close enough to do anything. That'd send a clear message.

I just see big flaws in that kind of partisan logic when the issue has absolutely nothing to do with Republicans vs Democrats or anything like that whatsoever. I really hate when people make these kinds of statements. If you can't attack the party you so deeply hate based on something tangible, attack them for something you think they might think or do in the future. Sorry, but I just see that as a complete waste of time.

-ChriS

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posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 01:52 AM
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On comes

"The War On Piracism"

We can invade Chili and Fuji and strike at the heart of the matter!!!!!!


Daaaarrrrrrrrr



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 01:56 AM
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Reminds me of that old Scatterbrain song:" I'm not going down with the ship".
I thought the captain was honorably obliged to stay with his/her vessel:NO MATTER WHAT!!!



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 02:26 AM
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I think most captains do feel obliged in that way. With all that's been going on in the media the captain must have known the risks he was taking. The point is that this guy has some huge cojones (BIG ONES). I think he handled it as best he could when the situation went South. I don't think anyone knows what they would really do when put in this kind of situation either. Everyone sais they do, but noone really knows. Could you imagine?

At least from the media reports coming in on these events, I think he really is a hero. I just fear for what will happen from here. This guy is eventually gonna be hounded for months from the likes of Larry King and the Today Show even if he doesn't agree to all the media spotlights. That's a given. But I also think the real unsung heroes in all of this are our brave men and women in uniform. They may not get the credit they deserve (and that seems par for the coarse).

-ChriS

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posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 02:28 AM
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Originally posted by KRISKALI777
I thought the captain was honorably obliged to stay with his/her vessel:NO MATTER WHAT!!!


Um, this isn't the colonial days, and I don't see a monarchy enforcing those rules, do you?

You watch too many movies.

The rules back then were to stay with the ship in an attempt to ensure every last measure of strength was used against the enemy ship.
We're talking ancient naval war practices.

It then became a ridiculous custom.

That old custom is as absurd today as it would be for you to sit in a burning house simply because you own it.

The ship is just a complex hunk of steel. Unlike the old english-spanish armada battles, we can replace the ships relatively quickly... but the crew is invaluable. Especially the captain.

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posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 02:30 AM
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Howdy peoples. Have trolled this place for years, and having seen this thread, decided to join and post.

Now, I have worked and been around the Shipping Industry literally since birth. So I have seen and heard ALOT when it comes to this. Hence me joining to clear a few things up.

First things first, I can see things from both sides of the coin. I can understand why the Somali's did it, due to them being dirt poor, and looking for a quick way to earn a big wad of cash. And trust me, it IS a quick and easy way to do it. Consider this, most Container Vessel's can carry a veritable bucketload of product, and that leads to a lot of value onboard the 1 vessel. One of the Companies we are contracted to had one of their vessel's go down due to an explosion onboard, and it was carrying USD$800 MILLION worth of cargo. So that's why these pirates do these hit and run jobs. Not that I agree with it, but it's a sad fact that it happens. And it happens worldwide.

Secondly, the Vessel the Captain was from was the M/V "Maersk Alabama". Just to clarify things, Maersk Line Pty. Ltd. is a Danish owned and registered company, so therefore to all the people saying it is/was an American vessel, well sorry to burst the bubble, but it wasn't.

Thirdly, I can see why and how the American Navy finished things, but this is the real zinger that I want to know - would the American Navy really given a stuff in the world if the said Captain was not American???? With Maersk Line being a Danish owned company, would they have really cared at all whether the Captain was Dutch/Danish/British etc???

As I said earlier, I don't agree with how the Pirates operate/go about business, but honestly, at the end of the day, it is a business. They know they can get money for this, and big money at that considering how much money is involved in Shipping. I'm not going to get involved with the whole politics of "should they/shouldn't they have done this?", but it's a simple way of making money for them. And trust me, Somalia isn't the only place this happens. I have heard from many Captains/Crew within my job that it's a worldwide problem. Once you clean it up somewhere, you still have many other places it happens, like Indonesia and other 3rd World Countries.

So the basic guise of what I am getting at is 1) Piracy is a worldwide problem, mainly done by populations of 3rd World Countries, and 2) Would the American Government/Navy really do anything to have helped the kidnapped Captain if he wasn't an American Citizen???? Even though, at an educated guess, they would have been near the vessel when the SOS/Mayday call went out????

Sorry for the long post, but I tried to make my 1st one decent!!!!


EDIT:- Sorry if my post comes off as high and mighty, I honestly didn't make it seem to be like that. Just clearing things up!!!! Just putting my 2 cents worth in!


EDIT2:- Ummmm, actually Johnsky, even at the best production rates, Shipyards are currently quoting 5 years for New Builds. I know this because I actually spoke to one of our Superintendant Engineer's, who is ironically working with Maersk Line (we are contracted to them too), and he is one of the Supervising Superintendant Engineers, looking after new builds.

So basically what I am getting at is, it's actually going to take 5 years minimum to get a new vessel from start to Sea Trials! Sorry to burst your bubble too.

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posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 04:35 AM
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Seriously...can everyone stop saying "Bravo Zulu", "Semper Fi" and "Hoo-Rah" like you all think you're taking part in the film 'Under Siege'?!?!?! It's doing my head in. And if ANYONE tries any EURO bashing again, I will quite happily make you look like the idiot troll that you are.

Wake up and smell the turds ladies. Our friend here who pointed out that Maersk is a Danish firm is quite right. He also mentioned about American involvement being simply because of the 'civvies' in trouble. Then more importantly he pointed out that this is all just 'business'. What a fantastic fellow.

It is JUST business, the main reason the SEALS went in was because someone somewhere in the US stood to lose an awful lot of money. They squealed like a piggy and off go the cavalry to save the day. A handy political by-product is that the captain was saved and the crew repatriated.

Very few of us are considered valuable enough to not be considered expendable when it comes to financial cost. Realise this, accept it, and stop thinking that the 'World Police' will come and save you when you are in trouble. It won't happen.



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 06:22 AM
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I think that were lucky our military could help someone out of a bind. Navy men catch alot of heck but they take their jobs very seriously, and have dealt with many different kinds of threats like this as a second nature, now the pirates say they will seek revenge on us, I say to those pirates "talk to the hand" just like Arnie would say...

Good Job Navy Men!!!, Good Job Captain of Ship

Pirates 0
USA 1,000,000

WE WON...



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 06:25 AM
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an also, I would like to see a two hour tv show about this, I really would like to see interviews with the men on the ship and the captain,
I think it would be good TV to tell these peoples stories so we can share in the terror and chronology of the event.

PLEASE CBS send Your Team to that BOAT!!!



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 06:46 AM
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"These guys are nothing more than terrorists." -BlasteR



Please, lets quit labeling everything we don't like as "Terrorism". The pirates are just that: PIRATES. Thugs on a ship with an agenda for profit. They aren't doing anything to strike fear into a particular people or government. They just want to do the least amount of work possible and get rich. $100,000 cut from a $2,000,000 job is freakin' rich to a 3rd world flunky with a small boat and a gun.

Nothing personal, but terrorist labels are thrown around way too much today. Before long we'll be called terrorists just for questioning the MSM.



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 07:17 AM
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I'm glad this ended well for the US Captain but I want to know how far the shots were, how rough was the sea, how many shots had to be taken and what did the snipers use.

Roper



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 07:41 AM
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OK, I'm still reading and I'm sorry if this has been said (on page 4) but I thought I'd do a little digging, concerning the Maersk Alabama's cargo and I've found this on wiki.


With a crew of 21, the ship was en route to Mombasa, Kenya. All of the sailors are believed to be from the United States. The Moller-Maersk Group, the largest container shipping company in the world, is one of the United States Department of Defense's primary shipping contractors.


Interesting no? Doesn't specify for this particular ship, but the company itself is used often by DoD.

Still looking for what they cargo may have been.

EMM

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en.wikipedia.org...

Edit to add THIS!


Quinn told reporters the experience was "terrifying and exciting at the same time." Asked what he thought of the pirates who seized the boat, Quinn said: "They're just hungry."


Open your eyes people, there is more to this. It is also stated in this article:


"They came from the stern of the ship and came on with hooks and ropes and were firing in the air when they got on board,"


Firing in the air? Surely, if they're barbaric heathens who only wish to slate(sp?) their blood lust, they wouldn't have fired in the air? They would've killed them all, quietly. I can accept they may not be the brightest bulbs in the box, but surely 30 years of fighting has taught them in the arts of war.

Edit to add article:

www.msnbc.msn.com...

Oh yea, it's cargo was apparently food aid.

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posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 08:15 AM
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Also, I would just like to add, as people may have realised already, that the way the Chain of Command works on a vessel, unless the vessel is sinking or basically in a state where it is unsailable, you will find that they can still get to point A to point B with a crew member or two not on board.

The reason for this is 1) the experience of the crew, 2) their training, and occassionally (spelling?) 3) some Companies require you to hold 1 rank above what you are serving on board as.

For example, say I was to go on the Alabama as a 3rd Officer, the Company would want me to have a 2nd Officers licence, and so forth all the way up to Captain/Chief Engineer. That way, as was the case here, if someone needs to come off due to illness, death in the family, etc, and they cannot find a reliever for you, the vessel is still able to sail and oblige to its contractual agreements.

As I said earlier, I don't agree with the pirates actions, yet I can see why they do it. But as one of the lads (sorry, forgot who said it!!!) said, at the day, you are expendable, and are easily (well, to a degree) replaced. And at the day, its about overheads and profit margins. I have seen it all my life being around shipping, and it really does unfortunately suck, but that's the way the world turns.

I'm just glad the Captain got out of the ordeal safe and well, and it is unfortunate that people were killed. No-one deserves to be put in the position the Captain was put in, but he knew the risks involved, and that's why he is on $100,000+ dollars a year!!!!!



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 08:39 AM
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Now that everyone has gotten all their shucking and jiving over with.... Maybe we can turn our eye's to our April 15th tax date and the tea parties that are being held in protest to government spending...



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 12:31 PM
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To me, a number of the posts on this thread are pathetic.

Oh, the poor pirates ... Give me a break! The pirates set the rules of engagement by using weapons in the hijacking. Now they - and their apologists here - are whining about it. Simple concept for those that don't get it: if you have a gun, no one else knows exactly what you will do with it, so they have to account for all the possibilities.


And the post about how it really wasn't such great shooting because they were close - 30 meters. I will challenge anyone to make shots like that - 1 shot, 1 kill - when they are on a moving platform (the ship) and the target is also on a moving platform (the lifeboat).



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 12:52 PM
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Here is one reason why, centurion:
"Leftwing Blogosphere Picks Up Al-Jazeera Theme: Somali Pirates Are Misunderstood Ecologists"

The 'left' is incredibly predictable.



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 12:55 PM
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I think the left is just as well as the right....Cause there is no difference...Both are the same government who is spending our tax money outta control! Left, Right....please how about government!



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by Parallex
Seriously...can everyone stop saying "Bravo Zulu", "Semper Fi" and "Hoo-Rah" like you all think you're taking part in the film 'Under Siege'?!?!?! It's doing my head in. And if ANYONE tries any EURO bashing again, I will quite happily make you look like the idiot troll that you are.

Wake up and smell the turds ladies. Our friend here who pointed out that Maersk is a Danish firm is quite right. He also mentioned about American involvement being simply because of the 'civvies' in trouble. Then more importantly he pointed out that this is all just 'business'. What a fantastic fellow.

It is JUST business, the main reason the SEALS went in was because someone somewhere in the US stood to lose an awful lot of money. They squealed like a piggy and off go the cavalry to save the day. A handy political by-product is that the captain was saved and the crew repatriated.

Very few of us are considered valuable enough to not be considered expendable when it comes to financial cost. Realise this, accept it, and stop thinking that the 'World Police' will come and save you when you are in trouble. It won't happen.



Danish origin ahh once again the American military saves european bacon or ham I suppose since it is a Danish country after all. Sarcasm BTW

Before you go all medieval on my butt,what exactly were the Americans supposed to do? Let them go ashore and hold this guy for ransom? He was an American citizen I suppose if he was Danish it would have been a problem for them. Yes it was a money issue but it was also to avoid the PR nightmare of an american citizen being held hostage.Obviously the "world police" isn't gonna save you every time but at least they accomplished just that on this occasion.


Semper Fi, The yanks are coming and all that



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