reply to post by Smack
ermmm....this is the Barbeque.....you WILL BE GRILLED here...but, of course, all content is safe, unless you violate the T&C that includes really,
really bad language.
Certainly, I don't have the ability to make the rules....I just understand them.
I see this 'thread' as a way to blow off steam, in a sense. AND, the Owners of this Site have all the rights to manage it as they see fit.
So read and post, responsibly....or don't post at all... Simple decision.
New Minimum Character Count For Replies., page 12
privacy
reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 08:54 PM by 0nce 0nce
reply to post by cranberrydork
Whenever someone would make a single line post, and then they would add "not a one-liner", what they are doing is surpassing the filter, and T&C. It's no different from surpassing the bad language filters.
What you just did, I would consider an attempt at cirumventing the rules.
[edit on 12-4-2009 by 0nce 0nce]
Whenever someone would make a single line post, and then they would add "not a one-liner", what they are doing is surpassing the filter, and T&C. It's no different from surpassing the bad language filters.
What you just did, I would consider an attempt at cirumventing the rules.
[edit on 12-4-2009 by 0nce 0nce]
reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 09:01 PM by NightSkyeB4Dawn
reply to post by scooterstrats
I agree. On many occasions less is more.
Being forced to add more content can sometimes make a powerful statement trite and tedious.
I agree. On many occasions less is more.
Being forced to add more content can sometimes make a powerful statement trite and tedious.
reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 09:01 PM by cranberrydork
Originally posted by 0nce 0nce
reply to post by cranberrydork
What you just did, I would consider an attempt and cirumventing the rules.
weird
before typing any content it says i can submit reply
whatever
why is that circumventing the rules?
it was precisely the length needed and was right on topic
reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 09:02 PM by 0nce 0nce
reply to post by Burginthorn
Thats almost like You Tube comments with the negative and positive, thumbs up and thumbs down votes. THAT would be cool to have on ATS.
However, to have a post removed when it gets too negative votes, well, thats not a good idea, because then anything that goes against someones beliefs or view point that could be very valid will be removed.
[edit on 12-4-2009 by 0nce 0nce]
Thats almost like You Tube comments with the negative and positive, thumbs up and thumbs down votes. THAT would be cool to have on ATS.
However, to have a post removed when it gets too negative votes, well, thats not a good idea, because then anything that goes against someones beliefs or view point that could be very valid will be removed.
[edit on 12-4-2009 by 0nce 0nce]
reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 09:06 PM by 0nce 0nce
reply to post by cranberrydork
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that when you PAD characters to get past the character count, it is considered circumventing the rules.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that when you PAD characters to get past the character count, it is considered circumventing the rules.
reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 09:06 PM by 12m8keall2c
reply to post by logician magician
Your point and purpose being what?
Honestly.
... less than transparent testing of the code? under the Supposed guise of "Wrong thread"? Whoops? etc.
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as a Member of these boards
quite typical... given the opportunity and seeming inability to refrain from taking advantage of the same... opportunities to poke
/Member
nonsense
Originally posted by logician magician
Wrong thread.
[edit on 12-4-2009 by logician magician]
Originally posted by logician magician
Whoops, sorry about that.
Originally posted by logician magician
Your point and purpose being what?
Honestly.
... less than transparent testing of the code? under the Supposed guise of "Wrong thread"? Whoops? etc.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
as a Member of these boards
quite typical... given the opportunity and seeming inability to refrain from taking advantage of the same... opportunities to poke
/Member
nonsense
reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 09:11 PM by NightSkyeB4Dawn
reply to post by defcon5
I am essentially a newbie that lurked a while off and on. I joined for all the reasons you stated here and I am feeling much of the same disappointment that you mentioned.
I was wondering what happened. Now at least I have an answer.
I am essentially a newbie that lurked a while off and on. I joined for all the reasons you stated here and I am feeling much of the same disappointment that you mentioned.
I was wondering what happened. Now at least I have an answer.
reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 09:18 PM by cranberrydork
reply to post by 0nce 0nce
thank you
ill excuse your rudeness this time and chalk it up to frustration
but you're right
it doesnt take a rocket scientist
It takes a person with a literary background and some skills at writing, composition, and grammar to understand that insightful, smart, and cogent responses need not be limited to any particular length. Especially when applied to this medium.
In fact, outside of the "column" needs of print media, forcing a writer to pad content simply to fit an editorial template, violates many of the foundational concepts of good writing. Sure, 100 characters is no big deal; I can do that on my hands. Heck, I can produce a couple thousand words on nearly any subject you want, in short order. But who wants to read that kind of wall of text on a forum? Not me.
The point is, a decision has been made that appears to mean, no content of less than 100 characters is worthy of our time and server space.
How capricious is that?
thank you
ill excuse your rudeness this time and chalk it up to frustration
but you're right
it doesnt take a rocket scientist
It takes a person with a literary background and some skills at writing, composition, and grammar to understand that insightful, smart, and cogent responses need not be limited to any particular length. Especially when applied to this medium.
In fact, outside of the "column" needs of print media, forcing a writer to pad content simply to fit an editorial template, violates many of the foundational concepts of good writing. Sure, 100 characters is no big deal; I can do that on my hands. Heck, I can produce a couple thousand words on nearly any subject you want, in short order. But who wants to read that kind of wall of text on a forum? Not me.
The point is, a decision has been made that appears to mean, no content of less than 100 characters is worthy of our time and server space.
How capricious is that?
reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 09:49 PM by 0nce 0nce
reply to post by cranberrydork
Obviously, I was wrong, it DOES take a rocket scientist, and you obviously are not one.
The point you are missing about the 100 character limit, is that it is best to save your ideas, and points of view, until you have enough to pass the 100 character limit. For example, if you compressed every single post you made on this thread into ONE post, you would have easily surpassed the character limit.
The problem with most people is that they can't wait to get their last word in, and can't wait to make a point, or tell a dumb joke because they think they are a comedian, so they just rush and post a one-liner. They then wait for someone to reply to them, and they post another one-liner, and it continues like that until you have multiple pages of one-liners. All of that could be avoided if those one-liners actually waited till the time was right, and added all those one-liners into a one-paragraph-er.
Does that make sense to you? Or should I teach you about mathematics, physics, mechanics, and avionics, so that you can become a rocket scientist?
Obviously, I was wrong, it DOES take a rocket scientist, and you obviously are not one.
The point you are missing about the 100 character limit, is that it is best to save your ideas, and points of view, until you have enough to pass the 100 character limit. For example, if you compressed every single post you made on this thread into ONE post, you would have easily surpassed the character limit.
The problem with most people is that they can't wait to get their last word in, and can't wait to make a point, or tell a dumb joke because they think they are a comedian, so they just rush and post a one-liner. They then wait for someone to reply to them, and they post another one-liner, and it continues like that until you have multiple pages of one-liners. All of that could be avoided if those one-liners actually waited till the time was right, and added all those one-liners into a one-paragraph-er.
Does that make sense to you? Or should I teach you about mathematics, physics, mechanics, and avionics, so that you can become a rocket scientist?
reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 10:02 PM by SkepticOverlord
You know, I have to say I'm honestly stunned by the responses. Absolutely, completely, gobsmacked stunned... to the point where this is in my top-ten
list of surprising outcomes on ATS. And after seven years of some really wild stuff... that's saying a lot.
The imposition of these incredibly minor limitations were initiated as a means to gently remind our members of our desire to focus more on meaningful content than quantity of content.
Yes... there was a synchronization glitch between our servers such that updated code didn't propagate and the character count for quoted replies wasn't computing correctly. My fault for not checking, but that was not the way it was supposed to work.
But I have to tell you... I honestly thought the majority of our members, especially the longer-term members, would have applauded this step. Really. I'm serious.
We get several complaints about 1-liner or trivial posts every day.
We often see longer-term members complaining about an apparent quantity over quality focus (not true).
I spent the better part of yesterday reviewing many popular ATS threads... and there has indeed been a significant growing trend of trivial posts that do little more than say "good post, you're right." And more often than not, such replies are found in large popular or highly-flagged threads.
We have always desired posts of substance, and often remind our members of this and bring it up again when it becomes a problem and have even included this text about the reply form: "Please do not create minimal posts or simple "I agree" posts when replying to threads."
I've seen, in this thread, gripes to the effect of, "other boards don't do that." And generally, yes that's true. But we're not other boards are we? We don't want to be just like any other board... every policy, feature, technology, and requirement initiated over the years has been focused on making ATS better, so that our members may be inspired to contribute their best.
The point is... we constantly consider what we (ATS management) need to do to ensure the content on ATS is as good as it can be... and push our members to consider making it better. With this particular policy of limiting minimal replies, our reminders, warnings, U2U's, threads, links, etc. have not had much (if any) effect of late. As a result, this very-trivial imposition of exceptionally minor minimum contribution serves as a more immediate reminder of our desire for each post to have substance.
That's all it is. And I still remain stunned that efforts focused on solving a common complaint are received this way. No kidding... I really am.
The imposition of these incredibly minor limitations were initiated as a means to gently remind our members of our desire to focus more on meaningful content than quantity of content.
Yes... there was a synchronization glitch between our servers such that updated code didn't propagate and the character count for quoted replies wasn't computing correctly. My fault for not checking, but that was not the way it was supposed to work.
But I have to tell you... I honestly thought the majority of our members, especially the longer-term members, would have applauded this step. Really. I'm serious.
We get several complaints about 1-liner or trivial posts every day.
We often see longer-term members complaining about an apparent quantity over quality focus (not true).
I spent the better part of yesterday reviewing many popular ATS threads... and there has indeed been a significant growing trend of trivial posts that do little more than say "good post, you're right." And more often than not, such replies are found in large popular or highly-flagged threads.
We have always desired posts of substance, and often remind our members of this and bring it up again when it becomes a problem and have even included this text about the reply form: "Please do not create minimal posts or simple "I agree" posts when replying to threads."
I've seen, in this thread, gripes to the effect of, "other boards don't do that." And generally, yes that's true. But we're not other boards are we? We don't want to be just like any other board... every policy, feature, technology, and requirement initiated over the years has been focused on making ATS better, so that our members may be inspired to contribute their best.
The point is... we constantly consider what we (ATS management) need to do to ensure the content on ATS is as good as it can be... and push our members to consider making it better. With this particular policy of limiting minimal replies, our reminders, warnings, U2U's, threads, links, etc. have not had much (if any) effect of late. As a result, this very-trivial imposition of exceptionally minor minimum contribution serves as a more immediate reminder of our desire for each post to have substance.
That's all it is. And I still remain stunned that efforts focused on solving a common complaint are received this way. No kidding... I really am.
reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 10:09 PM by MCoG1980
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
Personally I welcome this, no-one is taking notice of the single line posts warnings, and on occasion admitedly i have posted a SLP too (although very rarely).
Whats worse though, and i'm seeing alot more of is the one line or NO line threads, which contain a thread title and a video or link with no explanation or effort put into it at all.
[edit on 12-4-2009 by MCoG1980]
Personally I welcome this, no-one is taking notice of the single line posts warnings, and on occasion admitedly i have posted a SLP too (although very rarely).
Whats worse though, and i'm seeing alot more of is the one line or NO line threads, which contain a thread title and a video or link with no explanation or effort put into it at all.
[edit on 12-4-2009 by MCoG1980]
