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reply posted on 14-4-2009 @ 05:37 PM by Djarums
reply to post by Ciphor


Apparently you have not read even one word of what I have posted. Either that or you choose to misunderstand it because it doesn't fit with your theory of the hard working pirate fighting for his downtrodden people.

I, on the other hand, fully understand what you are saying with regard to the Somalis having it pretty rough. What I don't understand is why they aren't helping their own people.

You claim I think it's all about money? Wrong. You missed my entire point. It's about food. It's about medicine. It's about a better life.

You have presented the image of the pirate as fighting for his people. I have questioned it since the only thing they appear to be fighting for is their pocketbooks and their gambling as evidenced in numerous interviews with locals who clearly state that weapons and gambling are industries that are benefitting from the ransom money.

Not food. Not medicine. Not a better life for the downtrodden Somalis.

Your attempt to misrepresent my opinion as being only about money and against the people is weak.

I have yet to see anything from you or anyone else demonstrating that the pirates give a damn about the citizens YOU claim they are trying to stand up for.

Please spare me the "they're doing it for media attention to bring their hard lives into the spotlight" as well because the media attention has only portrayed them as rag tag morons (who drowned trying to ferry back some ransom money) or celebrated for being picked off by American snipers. Obviously their media campaign is working them wonders...


reply posted on 14-4-2009 @ 06:12 PM by Ciphor
reply to post by Djarums


I apologize. My passion has thrown my manners out the window.

I understand that the warlords are bad people as well. But they are just another group who are exploiting the PEOPLE of Somalia.

I'm looking through the eyes of the individuals who live in the pain, not the warlords who put this together, they are taking advantage of the people just like the rest of us.

You wanted proof? I gave it. The faces of the men and woman captured. They have no money, no future, just what they have done.

Proof: /d9xyxu

A picture tells a thousand words DJarums. Now if you care to argue this then I ask only that you offer an alternative and equally likely reason for them being happy about being captured knowing there fate.

These people, sorry people is wrong word, they are KIDS goddamnit. these skinny kids literally have Nothing to lose. I can't take it anymore, I want to do something and feel like I can't. it eats me up at night thinking about my comfy butt on a nice bed while kids who look more like skeletons die by the millions so a few can have really nice stuff. I hate being a human. It's only misery.



reply posted on 15-4-2009 @ 10:04 PM by Komodo
Here's a few more details I'm still chewing on, first off, has anyone been on an freighter/oil tanker? Is so, you should quickly understand how difficult it will be to 'board' such a vessel.

2nd, a standard freighter's deck is about 60ft to the water line, the only way to get on board that I know of is by gangway.

60ft to the water line.hmmmm..also, think about this, the bridge has monitors of all the camera's on board and are monitored, pretty sure depending on the cargo, 24/7. Most of which are placed at crucial areas of the ship to ensure the cargo stays secure.

A dingy somehow, was used to board a freighter with no gangway, 60ft below the deck, with no one knowing, at night no less probably, in international waters....

Well if all this is true, then these pirates are WAY more experienced in boarding that your average person. Just to get on the damm ship is a feat in itself IMO. Why? you'll need at least 100ft of rope just to be sure you got enuf for the grappling hook and oh.. don't forget about the LOUD noise it will make when it makes contact against the hull. LOL

that is, if you make it the first time without missing the edge for it to grab on to.

ALSO, why was the freighter even CLOSE to an area that as been on the U.S. State Department charts as being know for pirating! ??

travel.state.gov...

Shoot, US consulate affairs as been giving warnings about traveling to SOMALIA...but, the freighter completely ignored this warning ??


U.S. citizens who travel to Somalia despite this Travel Warning are urged to register through the State Department's travel registration website, travelregistration.state.gov... and obtain updated information on travel and security from the U.S. Embassies in neighboring countries.

Travelers to the self-declared "Republic of Somaliland" should register with the U.S. Embassy in Djibouti, and travelers to Puntland or southern Somalia should register with the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi.



putting 2+2 together.. something just don't add up..


reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 07:47 AM by Foppezao
Couple of things :

---Why are the coastal populations began to sicken when at that same coastal cities/areas began to emerge with huge villa's and condo's? bought from the ransom money (our money!)

---Why would countries dump nuclear waste over there and fish at the same time (mentioned before)


---What "European" countries are we talking about?, most EU countries i know storrage their waste glassified/vitrified, transmutate/ recycle/or breed the material...specially from hospitals according to CERN and IAEA directives

---The only credit i can give is the fishing over there, in most cases countries like Japan pay local authorities/communities to fish their seas..

---But plundering Africa like some inbred Vikings? Somalia is a failed state, countries as Tanzania used to unite the tribes in their countries by socialism or at least a healthy form of an authoritarian state..Somalia failed to unite their tribes. Most African countries maintain higer tariffs[VER's] as the EU.Our CAP subsidies are only lowering at the moment.
Out of guilt feelings Western countries are paying billions and billions of Euro's in aid nowadays , instead of helping this only makes those governments more corrupt and powerfull over their people, plundering their people and keeping money from them. Example? the 300 million dollar biggest church in the world "Basilique Notre-Dame de la Paix" in Ivory coast paid from our aid/money..



Smart (former) developing countries such as South Korea, Signapore used Gerscherkronian strategies to let Multinationals operate (or subcontract) within enclaves in their countries, to produce for export only thus shielding domestic producers from direct competition, while learning and absorbing tacit knowledge..


---Why do people swallow stories so fast coming from some (all)black community commie-loving newspaper?


They should blockade the coast with ships, acoustic seamines and bomb those coastal villa's and pirates HQ's..enough of it!!, people i know sail those sea's(Smit Tak-Heerema which helps store sunken ships like the Kursk sub) working for their families..people need to start recognizing there's no such thing as easy money...



[edit on 16-4-2009 by Foppezao]


reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 08:56 AM by Foppezao
reply to post by PsykoOps



Keep your panties on.. what's all this throwing with racist terms? The source of the OP is a black 100% biased news source, sorry for calling them commie-loving?
What i'v seen about that site is all coming from some complex being mistreated (in the past), it's biased.period...


You know who's a "pirate" hero?[amongst our other sea heroes] Piet Heyn, captured the Spanish treasure [silver] fleet[which they stole from the America's] the money we used to liberate our great city of Den Bosch


reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 09:05 AM by Foppezao
reply to post by Pakd-on-mystery


The Big boats and vessels are already sailing around Cape of Good Hope[ghe the irony] instead of through the Suez canal [which before leads them straight through the bottleneck of gulf of Aden], they don't do that because they like the scenic coastal route of Africa... In the end most of them got captured in high seas, how far do you want to bent off?









[edit on 16-4-2009 by Foppezao]


reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 09:45 AM by Ciphor
reply to post by FlyersFan


You say that like the relief supply ships are marked. There not. Not that I think it's the point. The point is the west created this problem. They think throwing armed forces at it is going to stop it. It's not, it's going to make it worse.


reply posted on 16-4-2009 @ 02:28 PM by FlyersFan
reply to post by PsykoOps


They aren't fighting toxic dumping. They are stealing relief supplies and killing those who are delivering them. They are holding hostages for millions of dollars and they are keeping it all for themselves.

That's not heroic. That's just being thugs.
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