should von daniken sue?, page 7

reply to post by Kryties

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While the first group of artifacts have some verification, possibly, I haven't hard of thm before myself. Over all they sound interesting.

The second and third groups of artifacts in your quote are not, however.

The Baghdad batteries were not batteries, the people who reconstructed them did so in a way as to make them work. There are to many flaws in the original jars for them to actually work.

The Baijong pipes are a natural structure, they are similar in form to the Navajo pipes in the Colorado desert.

The Coso artifact is a regular, 1920's era sparkplug.
Here's a similar, but more recent spark plug:

It's conglomeration. It happens when metal rusts, things near it tend to clump to it. Tends to form a sandstone like material, which is what happened with the coso artifact.

Most very crystal skull that i know of off hand was proved to be of a recent construction. The cultures they supposed came from also make no mention of the crystal skulls.

Havn't done any serious research into some of the other artifacts, like the Dorchester pot, though what I can find about it has no trace of it's actual existences, only descriptions of it appearing after a blasting of coal.

I see no reason why the Dendra lamps should not be exactly as they appear, inscriptions of louts flowers.

Why a iron post is called an Iron man is a little weird, makes it a pain to look up. It would probably be similar to the Iron Pillar of Delhi.
The pillar of delhi was a accidental manufacturing of a common item, in this case, a temple pillar, that came out different for some reason or another, and more resistant to erosion.
I've remarked before about working in a metal working facility, and how we'd get metal left outside after a rain, and how even in the mass produced metal, there could be significant differences on how they'd rust.

Analysis of the Lake Winnipesaukee stone seems to indicate a modern hoax.
Whether it is or not, however, is not definite.

The Wolfsegg Iron could possibly be a iron meteor, I've seen examples of them and several seem to have a general shape to them. it is definitely a oddity, and on that probably won't be resolved to anyone's satisfaction.

The Kingoodie hammer (which is a nail, actually. Weird.) has a very confused history. Going off of similar discoveries, it's probably the same as the Coso artifact above, a rusting iron object that formed a conglomerate as it rusted.
There is an actual hammer found, that was on here a few months ago, that was in a similar state.

The Klerpsdorff spheres are some of my favorite artifacts.
They were mentioned in Forbidden Archaeology, which featured an article from the Weekly World News in regards to them, one of my favorite tabloids.
They are formed from a type of metamorphic stone, and generally appear pretty much to be normal, unique shaped rocks.
Again, there are similar types of stones.



Not exactly similar, of course, as the Klerpsdorff (which were found in Ottosdal, actually) and unique things tend to shaped by local process'.


As for the dinosaur stones... Byrd did a expansive debunking of them a bit ago in another thread. They found a fellow who was producing them with the aid of his family.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

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I would so buy tickets to that. It would be more fun than the Dover ID crucifixion or the Kansas blood bath after the Evolution Wars.

reply to post by Jurand

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Eh, like I said earlier, the Baghdad batteries didn't work as they were. The people who put them together again redesigned them so that they would work.

the bitumen completely covers the copper cylinder, electrically insulating it, so no current can be drawn without modifying the design;
there are not any wires or conductors with them;
a bitumen seal, being thermoplastic, is excellent for forming a hermetic seal for long term storage. It would be extremely inconvenient however for a galvanic cell, which would require frequent topping up of the electrolyte (if they were intended for extended use).

From the wiki article.
They look just like the jars that were used to store sacred scrolls.

reply to post by RuneSpider

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Not out of the realm of possibility, but I don't see how a scroll jar would benefit from the addition of an iron rod and a copper cylinder. Nonetheless, stranger things have been seen.

reply to post by waynedg

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"better his real life fantasy then a book called the bible which is a myth. "

They both have their worshippers.

reply to post by Harte

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While most researchers may not ask why an item such as a wheel was not used, I am one to do so if I think the question has merit. Here, I think it does, as the wheel would of helped the people move their items much easier. Why someone did not think of it while their children were playing with such toys is something that I wonder about.

I am one that is curious about such things, so I will ask such questions. I do agree with you somewhat on the endless speculation that comes with such questions, but I also would look for the answers.

I was always taught from the earliest age in school and from my parents that there is no such thing as a stupid or bad question. To ignore such questions does not sit right with me.

Colin Wilson also asks such questions, so I feel a connection to the author. I am one to read what the author has to say, and then read what others state to counter the author. I started out a debunker/strong skeptic to any type of thought that was not mainstream. I am now in my forties, and realize there is much out there we do not know. I think Von Daniken (who should not sue because of his past errors would be admitted in court and make him look foolish) does raise some good questions. I think other authors are better than Von Daniken because they bring up other possible theories than the usual ancient astronaut stories we are usually subjected to.

Again, I do read what the others have to say about the Baghdad batteries and the metal spheres, but I can make up my own mind as to the validity of the claims made.

reply to post by kidflash2008

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Regarding the wheel for use in building the ancient monuments. Take a stone that weighs multi-tons, and design a wheeled vehicle to carry it. Use only materials and skills known to Incas, Egyptians or Easter Islanders of the day. What do you think would be the problems with that. This is why they didn't use wheeled vehicles, they wouldn't have worked. The Indian Juggernaut, IIRC, was the largest wheeled "vehicle" for centuries and it didn't weigh more than a few tons.

Originally posted by kidflash2008
reply to post by Harte

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While most researchers may not ask why an item such as a wheel was not used, I am one to do so if I think the question has merit.

If you mean scholars/Egyptologists/archaeologists/anthropologists, yes, there is actually a body of speculation on that and includes articles like the quality of wood available, draft animals available, terrain, and a lot of other things.

But the discussion is in scholarly journals, and nobody other than scholars hunts through those dry musty pages.

reply to post by Kandinsky

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If the Kensington Runestone is of interest, you might want to check out the following article: "Goodbye Columbus? The Pseudohistory of Who Discovered America" by Ronald Fritze www.hallofmaat.com... Have fun!

reply to post by Skyfloating

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"Making mistakes does not make one a criminal or a fraud. Daniken made mistakes in regards to the "Metal Library" and ever since them he is being called "a fraud" and the metal library is being called "a hoax"."

You say "mistakes". Other people say "deliberate lies". He lied about the circumstances of discovery, for example. Lying from the outset is not a good way to gain respect or trust.

reply to post by Skyfloating

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"Why should Daniken be judged differently than all the mistakes, acts of deception and lies made in the name of science? "

Who said he should be? Frauds are frauds. Just because he's in one particular camp and not the other doesn't give him special status. Regardless of the "camp". Spectacular failures like "table top fusion" show that the scientific community polices it own house. Others should take note of that.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Two current books which expose the cover-up of the metal-library, the smear-campaign against Daniken, the fight for Gold worth tens of Billions and even the cold-blooded murder of people involved in the "metal library" affair:

Stan Hall / Tayos Gold

(This is the guy who led government- and university-supported expeditions to the metal library with Neil Armstrong and who, in his book, admits that Daniken was right in publishing about it)

Another load of crap.

No "Metal Library" has ever been found.

Armstrong accompanied Hall on an exploration of an ordinary cave. He agreed to do so because of supposed family ties and as an honorary citizen of Scotland.

No metal Library was found, lthough a few artifacts were found:

How did Neil Armstrong get involved? "The expedition needed an honorary figurehead," Stan Hall said. "The name of Prince Charles, who had recently received a degree in archaeology, was proposed, but I knew Neil Armstrong had Scottish connections. My mother was an Armstrong and via another Armstrong in Langholm, where Neil Armstrong had been made an honorary citizen, I made contact. Months later, I got a reply that Neil Armstrong was more than willing to join us on this mission. It's when the expedition suddenly became a life's challenge."
On 3 August 1976, when the expedition was winding down, Armstrong entered the tunnel system. Even though they were not looking for it, the team members did not stumble upon a Metal Library. Had they done so, the discovery would have altered mankind's perspective on our history and origins. For Amstrong, it could have been his second great contribution to mankind's exploration. However, the team did catalogue 400 new plant species as well as a burial chamber inside the cave, in which a seated body was found. The chamber was later dated to 1500 BC, and it was believed that at the time of the summer solstice the sun illuminated this tomb.

SOURCE
My Emphasis.

As noted in the bolded portion above, Armstrong was not even looking fior any ""Metal Library," he was exploring a cave.

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