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Evolution, DNA and God

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posted on Apr, 24 2004 @ 04:31 AM
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Originally posted by robertfenix
Anyone want to add in the simple amazing fact that a single cell of a living organizim, be it human, animal or plant. Contains the complete instruction set to "build" the entire organizim. Yet when the cells divide only certain ones become cells of one type while other cells become another type. Yet every single cell holds the entire instruction set to build the entire "thing". Now you scientific types please explain to me the process that allows the cells to change into the required cell type. By what method does this happen?

Genes can be switched on and off through chemical groups on the histones (proteins which the DNA is bent around) which can making reading the DNA easier or more difficult. These groups can be changed by enzymes which react to the chemicals that are given off by other cells in the organism. Adding methyl groups to the cytosine nucleotide can also switch off a gene. Again the cell has enzymes that can do this and those enzymes react to the environment of the cell.


True creationizm would have to envolve taking an egg (single cell) from one animal type and by manipulating the protiens cause that egg to spawn an offspring that is seperate from the original genus of the donor egg. Ie taking a human egg and my switching the protiens and fertilizing it you get say a snake or a dog. Then you would have a scientific argument that any and all creatures could have evolved from one source, thus giving creadence to the Evolution Theory.

I once read about a long-running experiment where a scientist kept E. Coli bacteria under extreme conditions for tens of thousands of generations and followed their adaption. After about a decade now one of the colonies has actually splitted up into two different kind of bacteria, living in symbiosis.


But the kicker is that you must be able to prove that you can initiate life by having the right mix of chemicals and conditions, thus creating the right "chains" to exist to form the basis of a DNA structure to form.

Evolution and abiogenesis are two completely different subjects. One of the postulates of evolution is at some time there was one organism from which all other organisms evolved. Evolution doesn't say anything about how that organism got there.




posted on Apr, 24 2004 @ 07:54 AM
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Ok to all the pro evolutionist, maybe you should do "YOUR" homwrk because Genome science is blowing away the evolutionary theory, time in Genom.com, they have a good explanation.



posted on Apr, 24 2004 @ 09:16 AM
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imo, it's useless to discuss anything!

because no one can prove it!



posted on Apr, 24 2004 @ 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by infovacume
Ok to all the pro evolutionist, maybe you should do "YOUR" homwrk because Genome science is blowing away the evolutionary theory, time in Genom.com, they have a good explanation.


Genom.com says:

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Could you explain the theory or could you provide a link?



posted on Apr, 24 2004 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by infovacume
Ok to all the pro evolutionist, maybe you should do "YOUR" homwrk because Genome science is blowing away the evolutionary theory, time in Genom.com, they have a good explanation.


Yes indeed.
The theories and experiments show how organisms change depending on their environment, but that does not have anything to do with organisms turning into completely different organisms.



posted on May, 2 2004 @ 07:01 AM
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The best place to start with any discussion is by understanding the exact issue that's being discussed. Misunderstandings about the Christian position of evolution are commonplace.

www.comereason.org...

EDITED: Please do not just copy/paste entire articles without linking to their source. A snippet and a link will suffice.

[Edited on 2-5-2004 by Kano]



posted on May, 2 2004 @ 10:22 AM
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You begin by saying that we have to define evolution before about it. Evolution and abiogenesis (a inorganic origin of life) are two completely different subjects. You say evolution is wrong, because we don't know exactly the origin of life. Those two points have nothing at all to do with eachother. Evolution starts working when there is a lifeform, abiogenesis explains how the lifeform got there. If abiogenesis is wrong, evolution doesn't have to be wrong. I hope you're willing to accept microevolution (evolution within a species) as true, so I'll focus on giving evidence for macroevolution (new species evolving). No dogma's, just verifiable evidence.

Now, there is more than enough evidence for macroevolution. We have fossil records showing the evolution of not only humans, but also showing the evolution from reptiles to birds, from reptiles to mammals, from land mammals to marine mammals. How can one explain these fossils without evolution?
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution

The irreducible complexity argument goes as follows:
1) Irreducably complex things cannot evolve.
2) If it can't have evolved it must have been designed.
The problem is that we have evidence the first premise is wrong: Irreducible Complexity Demystified.



posted on May, 2 2004 @ 12:03 PM
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I explained that I was not talking about moths changing color and such, but about evolution as an explanation for the life we have on earth today.

In reviewing all the evidence we have currently on evolution, I feel that its explanatory power falls short for the origin of life and great variation of species that have existed throughout time. Some of the problems evolution faces are its inability to demonstrate how living organisms began at all, how the components of the living cell are irreducibly complex and how the design evident in those organisms argues for a designer. As we look at each of these dilemmas, we can see how evolution fails as an explanatory model.



posted on May, 2 2004 @ 12:46 PM
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You really aren't reading other peoples posts at all are you Jakko? Perhaps you should start to do, lest you appear foolish.


EDIT: Well, even worse than that it seems, you are actually just copy/pasting points from elsewhere.

[Edited on 2-5-2004 by Kano]



posted on May, 2 2004 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by Jakko
I explained that I was not talking about moths changing color and such, but about evolution as an explanation for the life we have on earth today.

In reviewing all the evidence we have currently on evolution, I feel that its explanatory power falls short for the origin of life and great variation of species that have existed throughout time. Some of the problems evolution faces are its inability to demonstrate how living organisms began at all, how the components of the living cell are irreducibly complex and how the design evident in those organisms argues for a designer. As we look at each of these dilemmas, we can see how evolution fails as an explanatory model.


Evolution is not abiogenesis. If abiogenesis is wrong, evolution can still be right. If evolution is wrong, abiogenesis can still be right. They can also both be wrong or both be right. Evolution assumes there is already an organism. It says nothing about how the first organism got there, that's abiogenesis' subject.

Choose what you don't believe! Evolution has a lot of evidence supporting it, so I suggest being critical of abiogenesis.



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 03:01 PM
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I no lets turn the argument around find prove of what u believe
let me guess-
a book
a feeling
someone shouting damnation ova and ova again in the most paranoid building in the world
ure cell mate in the insane asylum
enough said



posted on Jun, 28 2005 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by Shenroon
I no lets turn the argument around find prove of what u believe
let me guess-
a book
a feeling
someone shouting damnation ova and ova again in the most paranoid building in the world
ure cell mate in the insane asylum
enough said


This thread was over a year old.
If you do not have anything better to add than just that, you might as well shut up to begin with.



posted on Jul, 7 2005 @ 01:12 PM
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Hey I'm just putting my opinion on the bible and stuff like that which have got so much to disprove them but noone ever accepts it even if we found 'the ultimate proof'(yes I know it doesnt exist but I'm speaking metaphorically) Then you still wouldnt belive me would you, but I'm expected to follow the bible like some dumbminded sheep.



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