Why I dont buy the "tea party" protests

reply to post by Jenna


the fact that you can not see a connection between the concept of the earth being a closed finite system related to the distribution of wealth in the USA and thus these 'tea parties' is a perfect example of the magnitude of the threat our species poses to itself and to all other species and systems on this planet.


the economy is in no way separate from the planet it is ONLY a product of the planets resources modified (value added). to argue that there is no easily discernible connection is to ignore the fundamental reality of this, the economic, system.


RESOURCE > EXTRACTION > VALUE ADDED (manufacturing) > SALE / CONSUMPTION > WASTE

it begins 'of the earth' and ends 'of the earth'

it is a cyclical machination that is 100% dependent on the earth, there is no separation beyond the one you PERCEIVE.


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I am watching so FOX tea bagging....


Not Partisan my butt

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Maybe the point of this was to further divide us, cause FOX - BECK and fellow pecks
have already offended me a few times.

Maybe the point is bloodshed/war and the PROTESTERS are the tools for the NWO/PTB
yada yada?

Ever thought of that?

YA this is about as PARTISAN as a REAGAN JFK boxing match-

SORRY folks GOP stole yer Chit--

GOP 2012

Ya

I'm now 110% Anti Tea party -

I get it, OP's right - this is pure BS Rebuild the GOP bigger better benter.

Your all shills for the GOP like it or not...

Same stuff here.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO BOOOOOOOOOOO!

reply to post by Ron Paul Girl


I hope your tea party went well, Ron Paul Girl. I understand your concerns and paraphrasing my post would have been fine. I am sad to see this movement hijacked by the GOP. It was initially an independent movement, more Libertarian than anything else.

The problem is greedy money interests. That is what ends up controlling political parties: Constitution, Libertarian, whatever. We could foster a new party entrenched in the constitution but it would eventually fall victim to greed. If someone can come up with a way to circumvent this without eradicating greed and ignorance from the human genome, we may be on our way to a close utopia.

reply to post by Animal


I'll take your response to mean you would rather further derail this topic than start a new one in which to discuss closed and open systems. Your deflection from the topic at hand is duly noted.

so here is the main reason the people were at my local Tea party.

We, the People of the United States of America, have the following grievances against our federal government:

The government has excessively and unnecessarily spent American taxpayers money

The executive branch has created the largest spending plan in the history of the United States.

Our legislators and law makers have stopped listening to the people. Instead they make decisions for political favors, in response to lobbyist, and for their own political gain.

The government is creating a class warfare by turning the poor against the wealthy and the wealthy against the poor. They do this by portraying the wealthy as corrupt; they portray the poor as helpless and gullible.

The Congress and Senate have passed bills filled with unnecessary pet projects and pork projects. They have also tried to sell these projects to the American people under the guise of building the economy. They have no intention of getting rid of pork or pet projects.

Citizens' tax dollars are being used to bail out banks and consumers who made bad decisions.

The federal government has entangled themselves in private enterprise, which threatens the capitalistic monetary system on which our economy is based.

The federal government has continually and systematically taken duties from the states and made them duties of the federal government. In doing so, they have stripped the states of their sovereignty and made them dependent on federal money.

SOURCE

But don't worry SG i know your going to come in here and say they were all right wing fringers.... Sorry but you don't know crap. it was pretty well divided between republicans democrats and INDEPENDENTS like myself!


here is the flyer that has been circulating around town

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a4f62631ac00.jpg[/atsimg]

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We, the People of the United States of America, have the following grievances against our federal government:

The government has excessively and unnecessarily spent American taxpayers money

To curb the economic slump and to keep the nation afloat. If the government did not spend, the economy would collapse, then who would you blame then? Oh the liberal pinko president. The last president excessively spent tax payer money on imperialistic wars, and you had no issue with that, because he was a righty.

The executive branch has created the largest spending plan in the history of the United States.

To fix up the mess as the result of the largest debt accumulation left by the previous administration.

Im not going to bother with the rest of that, I'll leave fox news to read you more bedtime stories.

But don't worry SG i know your going to come in here and say they were all right wing fringers

You are all rightwing fringers, what can I say? The protests were very telling... great to have good ol' newt and company... all the old neocon clan and fox news... all there with the elite to bring upon this "grassroot" movement. Just wonderful. Although it wasnt as big as I expected I admit...

INDEPENDENTS like myself!

95% of the former bushies and fringers here have either proclaimed themselves libertarian, pauler or independents. Your certainly following the new trend. The new branding doesnt change a thing.

SG

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reply to post by Southern Guardian


Actually most of us conservatives, and who you would consider RIGHTYS, in your condescending tone, didnt agree with Bush spending, infact, we were screaming the whole way about the out of control spending. I know I was, I wasnt happy at all with what was going on with bush, and so it is with a lot of the other conservatives, so you can stop your trolling dribble about that right there.

Two, spending isnt going to get us out of this slump, especially when they are printing so much money without anything to back it, any economist can tell you that.

You can also stop with blaming the previous administration all the time, open your eyes and start holding YOUR party and the person YOU elected president responsible, I am so tired of hearing people like you deny the responsibility that Obama should be held accountable for his decisions.

As far as i can tell, you have absolutely NO argument and you very apparently are ignorant to how the economy works or you would understand that this spending that Obama is continuing to do is making things worse and worse and worse, the man has no one reigning him in.

IT HAS TO STOP

So before you start dribbling start thinking, leave your partisan bullcrap at the door man, you sicken me

reply to post by Southern Guardian


MAN you can't even read here i'll put it in bold for you SO WHEN YOU GO BACK TO SCHOOL TO LEARN TO READ YOU'LL KNOW WHAT I SAID!

I AM AN INDEPENDENT always have been always will be. and what does Independent mean? it means i am not a republican, i'm not a democrat i am not a libertarian, i'm not a Ron Paul supporter! I AM AN INDEPENDENT.

ALL political parties are the same they just go by a different name.

I support everything in my last post that was the goal of my local Tea party.

I don't know why you keep going back to Bush. this mess has been brewing since before his time and will continue on past Obama if those of us that have had enough don't stop [people] from destroying this country. the sad thing is YOU won't notice the destruction your doing until its to late!

So i have a suggestion for you STOP THE PARTISAN BULLSH** and open your eyes. aren't you tired of the government taking away your rights? taking more of your money and giving it to corrupt business that should have failed because of their wrong business choices?

I didn't support bush Sr. and his policies! I didn't support Clinton and his policies! i didn't support Bush Jr. and his policies, and i am damn sure not going to support Obama and his policies. any president or congress that moves us farther in debt, removes more of our rights doesn't deserve anyones support and I'm not going to support congresses and administrations that destroy the U.S.

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After listening to the palpable fear and desperation in Paul Begala’s voice as he railed against participants of the Tea Parties on the Imus show this morning on the way to a Tea Party, I realized that he understands the truth of what these parties mean; his stock put downs and insults seem to have been passed out as a sheet of canned responses from the Obama political machine (suspiciously repeated by Mr. Mental and Mr. Guardian almost word for word) in the attempt to forestall what they know is truly a populist uprising. They know that the silent American majority are beginning to awake and that is terrifying to all globalist.

Originally posted by SGTChas
After listening to the palpable fear and desperation in Paul Begala’s voice as he railed against participants of the Tea Parties on the Imus show this morning on the way to a Tea Party, I realized that he understands the truth of what these parties mean; his stock put downs and insults seem to have been passed out as a sheet of canned responses from the Obama political machine (suspiciously repeated by Mr. Mental and Mr. Guardian almost word for word) in the attempt to forestall what they know is truly a populist uprising. They know that the silent American majority are beginning to awake and that is terrifying to all globalist.

What do you mean???

Obama's political machine?

I have no contact with Obama - Funny because I have been watching FOX exclusively
for a week ( as opposed to BBC) and you all sound like FOX talking heads LINE FOR LINE.... SO????

Funny is yer TAX demands will only further the GLOBALIST agenda...

It could be possible that the two sides are thinking the same things.

All I know is I say what I feel and think. If Paul whomever said the tea baggers message is being coopt by the GOP then they are right.

This is for the GOP - all your work, love it or not - the grand ole party will slam the door in liberties face come the next election.

Just in case you missed it, today is yet another protest day. This is a protest that will, like all others, go absolutely no where. Protests in America are always a waste of time because they never carry any real meaning. They’re group grope sessions where protesters can get together and look each other in they eye and say, “yes, I’m not alone”. They’re also great ways to get your picture taken and your license plate written down. But they’re not effective in changing anything.

Rather then protest, “demanding” (you’re really not demanding anything, you’re just pretending you are) that “things change”, just do it already.

Don’t like the war? Then don’t go. Don’t spend another nickel in support on any of those companies involved either.

What do our leaders care when we publically protests with signs and placards and letter writing campaigns, but then go right back to compliance or cooperation or funding after our weekend spree of “disobedience”? If you’re going to protest, you have to commit your life to the effort, not just your mouth.

Haven’t you noticed that group participation is allowed, whereas individual protests is not?

People are easier to manipulate when in groups, because the individuals in the group don’t want to break the “cohesion” of the group or jeopardize the group itself with their individual actions.

Here is a simple truth that I hinted at above: we can only be controlled and manipulated when we belong to groups. Isolated as individuals, we are far, far too numerous to deal with. They can only snipe at us, one by one, but this is inefficient, expensive and time consuming for them (which is exactly what we want).

It is also true that you can be far more effective as an individual then in a group. This is one of those little ’secrets’ nobody who belongs to a group (including your own friends and family) want you to know. If you are no longer willing to play by the rules either dictated by or to the group, then you get to play by your own rules, which can make you far more effective.

The real protesters and individuals in our society today are not the groups you see on the television screen waving signs and making speeches, but the unheralded figures who are always working in the background incessantly, living lives of non-compliance and non-cooperation with society

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Freedom’s just another word for nothin’ left to lose.

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reply to post by ManBehindTheMask


I have to ask because I really do not understand. How could Obama POSSIBLY be to blame for the current economic crisis? He has been in office for less than 4 months. Conservatives have controlled the reigns of gov since Reagan was elected. Obama is a bit left of center (NOT as wacky left as he is made out to be) so he is a paradigm that we (under 40) are unused to seeing in high office but I still don't see how this is his fault? Was it not Sen Phil Gramm (R) who was behind the uncoupling of insurance and banks from regulation and allowed them to work unfettered by the bonds of earthly logic? Was it not Bush who pushed the TARP I funding? Was it not Bush who foisted the unfunded Rx drug entitlement on us? And lastly, was it not Bush who pushed for war in Iraq saying it would be fast and cheap and that Iraq would be able to pay us back with all their oil money? There is blame to to sat at the feet of plenty of dems too, Frank for pushing (or relaxing) lending standards so that people who could not afford houses could still get them. But then again this was NOT OBAMA.

So how is Obama, trying (poorly or not is yet to be judged) to blame for this? All he is doing is attempting to stop the hemorrhaging. I am not sure it will work, since I don't claim to be an economist but I would rather he try SOMETHING then sit there and say "eh, whatever. Let's shoot some pirates."

Oh oh, I have to add. Obama keeps being labeled a socialist... then why is all the money going to corporations with little or no strings attached? If he was a socialist would he not nationalize the banks post haste? But he is not.. at all.

Obs out

Yes, the hypocrisy is ripe.

For the last 8 years, but as was noted by SG or Observer dating all the way back to Regan, the right-wing party has spent untold amounts of our money, altered the system through deregulation and tax cuts driving up the national debt too today's 'crisis' level.

Yet, they did not bother to protest until Obama was in office.

And yet they have the audacity to claim that their protests are not part of a politically motivated game of mind-control, intended to 'rally the troops' of a failing party. No they believe this no more than a show of true patriotic spirit intended to save the nation from the 'Obamination'.

Ya, what ever.

The first time I protested against Bush (along with an estimated 10,000 people in a town of 70,000 people) was during the lead up to the invasion of Iraq.

I couldn't stand him before that, I did not agree with his policies, but to protest his actions within he first 100 days of his administration would have been, as are the T-Parties, staged idiocy.

I understand the rights frustration, it is scary as hell when the parties who doctrine you subscribe has essentially no power, I've been there. But to be quite honest the behavior this has led the right to is quite telling.

To me the right looks like a big bunch of crying babies who want mommies teet.

I want to add one little policy point to this thread. Those who were out there protesting this "enormous" spending by having theatrical Tea parties need to show the rest of us what exactly they would cut spending on? Defense? Social Security? The Rx drug benefit? Medicare/aid? Infrastructure? What?

Is it wise, during a monumental recession, to stop input of government funds into the private sector? If business has no money to spend and we consumers are either flat broke or scared to death to spend then how do we get the wheels of the economy moving again?

I don't think ANYONE is HAPPY with the giant spending packages. That amount of debt is horrifying. But what else can we do? Who would you blame if nothing was done at all and the entire system collapsed in on itself? Obama? Bush? Yourself?

I am just curious as to how the teabaggers want to fix the system?

Obs out

Does anyone find it amusing that tea bagging is also known as the process of lowering one's testicles into the awaiting oral orifice of a willing partner???

Just whom is tea bagging whom? It all sounds a bit gay to me, not supprising from the closeted conservative class.

Originally posted by scottsquared
Does anyone find it amusing that tea bagging is also known as the process of lowering one's testicles into the awaiting oral orifice of a willing partner???

Just whom is tea bagging whom? It all sounds a bit gay to me, not supprising from the closeted conservative class.

yes I heard about that, I saw a couple of pictures of this old woman and man with tea bags around their hats carrying signs saying "teabagging" I couildnt stop laughing..

reply to post by Animal


"Sorry I don't do ANY work for big business and the oligarchies of this, or any, nation. "

Kind of hard to NOT work for this ilk.

Mind telling me where I can apply for such employment?

After gaining such employment, maybe I wouldn't be affected by the increase in taxation that so many that attended the "tax protest parties" across the nation have enjoyed, and/ or are fearful of enjoying.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

yes I heard about that, I saw a couple of pictures of this old woman and man with tea bags around their hats carrying signs saying "teabagging" I couildnt stop laughing..

Please do continue the homoerotic references to "teabagging" that seem very much to be the "response du jour" for big government boot lickers.

This is most assuredly lending credence & strength to ANYTHING you have to say on this subject. Please continue on now with your lofty pontifications.....

HAVE I ENTERED A TIMEWARP AND EMERGED BACK TO THE 7TH GRADE????? GROW UP!!!!!