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Originally posted by andy1033
Too right, i think it is all bull. If you have glen beck on promoting it, something must be wrong, lol.
Its the idea of if you see someone doing something, other people just sit back, and accept that they think someone is doing something.
There are bound to be plenty of those people working for the government or companies, to get whatever across.
Originally posted by cbianchi513
Did you even READ my post? Didn't think so...
I just have a serious problem with SG because he is EXACTLY the person that your post portrays.
Thank you for your concise summation of SG!
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Yes... just ignore fox news, good ol' newt and all the Bush buddies, ignore the signs with "conservative" on it, ignore the folks outright comparing all libs to communists.... this isnt partisan go back to fox. All the neocon buddies, the typical bushies, hannity who had no issue shutting out Paul and calling all liberal anti-american. Really... howmany times must you lie to yourself?
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
They certainly were not a waste of time to the president, to myself and the rest of the liberal population. But yes good on yall to speak your "minds" courtesy of fox
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
340,000 nation wide was huge.... wonderful. What some 10,000 folks popped up in Houston? Wasnt it 18,000 folks at an Obama rally in Houston just over a year ago? Aint we talkin bout a blood red state? Great I tell ya, really was happenin down there.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
I totally agree with you there if theres one thing, fringers, how ever twisted and hypocritical their "protests" were, atleast they got the freedom to speak. It further lost them credibility to the rest of the nation and the world, but atleast they got to have their say.
Originally posted by Jenna
Now didn't you just tell me a few hours ago that it didn't count if I had to go back to starting eight months ago?
It's more frustration that we aren't having a real debate
So which part is it that you really have a problem with? That all of those people turned out to protest things they find unfair? Or that Ron Paul didn't get elected?
It was considering the complete lack of coverage by the media.
You can't be serious... Your posts have been filled to the brim with hypocrisy.
What debate? Pointing fingers, name calling,
and ignoring other people's points in favor
Originally posted by ViViIX
AMERICA was composed of a sort of groups who chose to come to america, not only were some trying to escape religious persecution from the Vatican, and other Roman Catholic officials.
so what obama is saying is true.
"America is not only a christian nation, but a nation of all different religious backgrounds and ethnicties"
IT HAS BEEN FROM THE GET GO PEOPLE, STARTING IN WHAT DATE?
OTHER THAN 1777.
Originally posted by Dark Jester
Guardian you don't care what these tea party protest stand for
All you know is that CNN said
these were Republican protest
The Liberal government could invade Canada and you wouldn't care
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
And what do you think I was talking about then Jenna?
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You have to go all the way back to 2007?
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The very fact you have to go back 2007 shows your running out of things to accuse the man of.
His been for 2011 for over a year and nobody here complained about that, until it became apparent he was going to actually fulfill that as another promise of his, thats when fringers began diving into 2007. How pathetic
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You have to go all the way back to 2007?
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Also on Page 9
you have to go back to last year over what one member said jeeze Jenna is this it? You folks go on about us always playing the race card, yet you cant account for it, all you can do is go to one odd thread last year.
What is that the debate where one of you fellas post a thread and the other stars it and everybody just nods? No thats not a real debate.
My issue to start with was the sheer hypocrisy
These protests have nothing to do with the constitution and everything to do with the attempt to re-establish a new conservative movement, which is rather no different from the ones in the past.
The rest of the folks, 95% of em, former bushies, fox news supporters, the limbaugh crowd, good ol' bushie politicians who outright supported his lies and unconstitutional happenings, they have no business standing for the constitution. They have their own agenda and thats it. The movement has been hijacked.
Now you blame it on the media.... typical.
Whats so hypocritical about it? where was I hypocritical? please enlighten me here.
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Oh I never labelled tea party protestors those above, they did it themselves.
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gun trodding Obama hatin conservative
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Kooks. Id say the vast majority are kooks
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The protests are nothing more than another neocon fest. Same gun trodding "patriot" throwing bush lovin folk
lets dive into the histories of these Bush republicans who are now "tea party speakers"
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by mrpotatohead
Very well said Jenna. It seems lately, that anyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist.
No thats not true obviously. Infact Iv hardly heard any accusations of racism here.
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I said in this thread
Originally posted by Jenna
Oh let's go back and see what you said.
Gee, would you lookie there. Seems like you don't like it when anyone else looks back at what happened before.
No, I was referring to the kind where when someone makes a point
you actually respond to it
But maybe expecting an actual response to points made rather than another rant about how we're all fringers
And what's wrong with people getting stars?
That may be your opinion
but if you listened to anything aside from the MSNBC or CNN bashing spree
So basically everyone in the country who isn't leaning so far to the left they are about to fall over listens to Rush and supported Bush
and as such do not have freedom of speech
and have no right to support the Constitution.
I didn't blame the media for anything.
I pointed out that none of them covered it
none of them mentioned it.
Fox was the only one who did
Most of the people who showed up at the tea parties found out about it from the internet or word of mouth.
I don't watch Fox, CNN, or MSNBC
For starters there's your hypocrisy about no one being able to bring up anything prior to the inauguration, other than you apparently.
gun trodding Obama hatin conservative
Kooks. Id say the vast majority are kooks
Then there are all the times you've called people Bushies and fringers
the things you complained about those republicans doing were the same things Obama has done.
Originally posted by Dark Jester
reply to post by Southern Guardian
It doesn't matter, Your just another hardcore liberal who would follow Obama into hell. Funny how i never seen you question the liberals
Originally posted by mental modulator
reply to post by Southern Guardian
I'm having a hard time SG -
I HATE the GOP with a passion - BUT I do not want to shut down people by making them all look stupid, or evil or whatever just because it furthers my goals.
I damn well know the GOP is trying to steel the political thunder from this, but I do understand some of the concerns of people... I was one of those protesters back in the W days.
I just don't know how to make a good stance and not be GOP like to people.
Nothing black and white - BUT this one sort of requires it in some ways, alas it offends my limited principle in some cases.
Maybe I need to be selective in my arguments
Originally posted by mental modulator
I'm having a hard time SG -
I HATE the GOP with a passion - BUT I do not want to shut down people by making them all look stupid, or evil or whatever just because it furthers my goals.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
I was refering to what Obama said, not "actions" taken by individuals.
Your the one implicating "everything" to the past, not me.
So your point should be everybodies point? Because I dont agree with you apparently thats not a real debate in your eyes? You see how flawed that statement is?
And what else is there besides responding? Agreeing? Why do I have to agree with you?? Iv got my own views and beliefs, Im responding in that manner and Im explaining. You seem to have great issue with this and thats my point, you cant handle a real debate in here.
The vast majority of you all are fringers, what can I say? That your all right and non-partisan?? Do you want me to lie to make you feel good?
Dont just take it from me.... it aint just my opinion or an "opinion" at all....
You just refuse to get it. Im not concerned about what MSNBC or CNN said... my OP was based on a supposed pro constitutional protest by unconstitutional partisan groups, who were clearly running it.
Never said everybody, never said far left, only you. As clearly indicated in that statement. Was pritty clear so please read it again.
Never said that, its only you making that statement.
Oh they have a right to "support" the constitution, although they will be called out regarding their histories and hypocrisies. Never said they couldnt.
I didn't blame the media for anything.
Lie.
And yet theres a thread complaing about CNNs coverage of it.... as usual. Dont blame the media for not taking too much attention though, the protests amounted to little and as usual the media will appeal to what the majority prefer.
yet there they are, under a democratic government, acting as if they give a damn about it now.
It was an artificial grassroots movement, spurred on by Fox and the Bush politicians. They will have you believe otherwise, and you will have yourself believe otherwise.
Didnt matter what you watched, the OP was based on the involvement of hypocritical individuals.
I never said everything before 2009, infact I never made any statement regarding what years you were allowed or anything, you did that yourself.
Now my comment was regarding you having to purposefully ignore the presidents campaign standing during the primaries for 2011 withdrawal, and you havin to go to 2007.. but you dont get it.. obviously.
Your saying none of these protestors hate Obama?
Yes, this was in reply to what one of your buddies said themselves are you serious Jenna?
You know what? Stop holding the hands of the bushies at these protests, stop defending fox for their involvement and stop dodging the OP, then maybe Ill believe your movement is pure.
Obama voted on FISA, not denying it, but the OP was not about what Obama did. the OP was clearly about the deep involvement of unconstitutional Bush politicians and individuals, those who outright supported imperialist wars. You continue to cover for them.
And by the way that post of yours that you continue to claim was a direct answer didnt counter my OP, all it stated was "how bad Obama is" and how you have "nothing to do with them", not necessarily their deep seeded involvement in these movements, their histories, you hand in hand.