UFO VIDEO just released by UK British Government - Declassified 2009

What makes me sceptical (not a sceptic btw), is a few things. First and foremost he says "Do you see the shape?" before the actual ">" shape has appeared, which would suggest it's orchestrated. The second thing is how he says he's "zoomed all the way in", and everything happens Exactly within the frame he got at maximum zoom. This would suggest it was added afterwards and made to fit. It's not something a normal UFO video faker would think of, that it's too perfect a fit.

They have American accents which clearly indicates that they are not British. Why would the British declassify a US videotape and not their own? Why would the man doing the video just stop recording and not continue?

A lot of claims in this thread...as usual.
Fun to read though.

Anyway, thank you OP for bringing this to our intension.
Whether it is a hoax with cgi, balloons, glowing birds , swampgas, military craft or vessels of extraterrestrial origin, it still serves the purpose for me. I sought myself to this site for one purpose. Not to find the truth, I doubt truth will reveal itself here, but to see and hear about new sightings and experiences other have been having regarding UFO's.

I think it is intriguing, and I love to imagine things and to think outside the box.

So the vital thing for me is not to have a clip proved real or hoax, but that I enjoy watching them.

I don't WANT to believe....
I CHOOSE to believe.

Starred

/Akezzon

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Declassified by uk ? Think not (someone correct me if I'm wrong) they don't declassify before 30 years(?) are up and that was no 30 year old footage.

The north American accent doesn't help much but the dead give away was the fact that there were no lager cans or condoms bobbing in the sea. definately not Brit IMHO.

We have no proof this is real or faked. We have no proof it is a video. We have no proof we are watching it. We have no proof this site actually exists. I have no proof I am not dreaming all this and you are existing only for my dream.

I have no proof my body and the room actually exists. It could all be holographic CGI generated by the vibratory radiations of consciousness in a quantum foam soup. Oh, yea, that's right, it IS!

Really, I am reaching the level of diminishing returns on videos dubious in nature or not. The formats and lack of detail on background is ALL questionable and nothing seems worth discussion anymore than Schoolhouse Rock is a way to see whats going on in Washington.

If they limited videos posted here to only certified as real, legal or otherwise it would be largely a wasteland.

So all we have is happy talk about UFO video junk files. There is not a site anywhere for anything but UFO-porn low res video anymore. What can we possibly do with this? Kill time?

I'm tired of having this "market testing" for gullibility. Prosecute or ban the creeps and their fakes or we will dismiss everything out of hand.

OH! what a great counterintelligence tool for desensitizing the public on the issues! Insert tons of fake stuff everywhere. Hire, influence or otherwise allow such crap to be produced by kids and nuts to fill the web.

"Trust no one."
F. Mulder



ZG

You know, the little video looked good enough to me. But what's the use? Put a couple hours into researching this and I'll regret it.

BTW, I do CGI, and while I can see that every video can be faked, you need to look at the intent, incidental information, origin and statements and identification of the person responsible. AND, the original video!

It's useless to do forensic on the video here, and anyone saying it "looks fake" are fooling themselves. I've seen fakes that fool the experts and real that looks fake.

Nothing sacred is safe. We are a lost people if we don't wake up and smell the decaffeinated coffee.

ZG.

this just seems so fake... i mean they just happened to have the camera on a tripod, zoomed in on the moon and BAM perfect cool lightshow.

And then their reactions are so lame and non-enthusiastic.

It's just a light show being put on by rich humans for psychological reasons. All these lights at night, because a dark background is necessary for the illumination of our atmosphere to be visible to "ufo witnesses". Just because they are odd lights 'in the sky' does not mean they are physical aircrafts. It's just a light show. When are we going to start seeing some real, visible three dimensional UFO crafts flying around in DAYLIGHT? Not likely because the human technology that creates these nighttime 'ufo' lights requires the night sky.

Just a psychological trick... see my thread here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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or yes, it could be CGI in this particular video, but I do believe people see these lights with their naked eyes.

A close buddy of mine told me he got a call from a friend to go outside and look at these lights, so he went out and sure enough, he saw these weird lights blinking on and off and moving around.

I asked him what he thought they were... he just casually said "i have no idea." Nothing about UFO or 'spy planes' etc...

Point here is that I trust this guy telling me about these lights and he was looking at the actual night sky, not an internet CGI video.

As a frequent investigator of u.f.o's and other things, including people, I can say without a doubt this video is fake.

The biggest give away was the fake voices in the background. It sounds like someone cut and pasted a bunch of sound clips in the time slot, and they just forgot to add any type of pauses or excitement, or anything that is natural, or real.

If you listen to the girl she says "yeah" almost perfectly every single time, with no change in voice, or tone, like it was copy and pasted and set in place to sound like she is replying to his questions. Sounds like... "yeah", "yeah", "yeah", "yeah"....... over and over.... reminds me of a soundboard with a moron behind the controls. Here is a funny soundboard of Judge Judy:

Click the "lie lesson" button, its a very good lesson.

www.abcarcade.com...

Then, about 1 minute into the video, you can definitely see the "fake camera shake". Quite a few programs have this ability now, they can add what appears to be fake camera shake, but when you really study the "pattern" and the "smoothness" of the movements, you can just tell its all computer controlled movement. Human muscles don't move that slow, and smooth, its way more jerky. Even with a tripod, it's not as smooth as it shows from 1:00 minute and after that. Just wait till 1 minute passes, and keep your eye locked on the Moon. You will see very small, smooth, movements... SO SUPER FAKE.

HOAX!!!!

Springer you can label this a hoax with no worries.


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Well, only speculations alone will not label this as a hoax. There are still no proof for or against it yet.

The maker of this film has yet to come forward, with proof that claims him/her as the owner and the photographer of this video.

So all we can do is speculate, believe or disbelieve.

But to call it a hoax by linking a soundboard on Judge Judy seems rather harsh.

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The proof is the video itself, duh..

It proves itself to be fake, and a hoax. However I guess you have to be an expert to notice. I already told you different things to look for. The sound, the movement, and timing of both of those combined, and the fake voices, all if it is proof in itself.

If you want more proof, I can get into the way that light travels over a distance, it always expands making things look bigger than they really are, until it starts to get closer, and the cone gets smaller, it will look smaller.. Or, how light reacts when you are filming a bright object with a dark background.... Did you know when you are filming a bright object with a dark background, everything around the bright object would be really difficult for a camera to capture? This is why you don't see any stars in the video...

This video not only is ignoring the laws of light, but ignoring the laws of natural voice communication, and natural movements. It's all fake.

Some day you are going to have to trust an experts opinion. If you want to believe a lie, go for it, I was just trying to help you all not get decieved.

Originally posted by 0nce 0nce
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The proof is the video itself, duh..

Uhmm, no.
The video itself does not prove anything of what the content ON the video is.

Originally posted by 0nce 0nce
It proves itself to be fake, and a hoax. However I guess you have to be an expert to notice.

Well, I don't pay to much attention to self-claimed experts to tell you the truth unless they have gained my trust. and you sir are a one day old member of this site. So before I personally entrust you with the title expert, you need to gain my trust. I am pretty sure I have a few behind me saying this as well.

Originally posted by 0nce 0nce
I already told you different things to look for. The sound, the movement, and timing of both of those combined, and the fake voices, all if it is proof in itself.

Most of us already know what to look for, and I don't agree with you regarding bad timing and fake voices. I am amazed that you can make an exclamation like that since the sound quality are pretty bad because of the wind.
It COULD be fake, sure. I won't argue with that. But to say it IS fake because you believe to hear offsync voices etc is to me a bit to much of an assumption. If you want to believe this, fine. I will not stop you.

Originally posted by 0nce 0nce
If you want more proof, I can get into the way that light travels over a distance, it always expands making things look bigger than they really are, until it starts to get closer, and the cone gets smaller, it will look smaller.. Or, how light reacts when you are filming a bright object with a dark background.... Did you know when you are filming a bright object with a dark background, everything around the bright object would be really difficult for a camera to capture? This is why you don't see any stars in the video...

Maybe you should get more into how many different types of modes a camera has, ASA, backlight etc. There is alot of functions that would prohibit "light pollution" from other stronger light sources.

Again, your "evidence" are worth nothing since we don't know what camera he/she used, what mode, what exposure etc.

Originally posted by 0nce 0nce
This video not only is ignoring the laws of light, but ignoring the laws of natural voice communication, and natural movements. It's all fake.

Some day you are going to have to trust an experts opinion. If you want to believe a lie, go for it, I was just trying to help you all not get decieved.

Again, so far you are an self-claimed expert. Please clarify what it is that makes you and expert. Cause I can almost assure you that we have lots of believers and skeptics here that are just as experienced.


Anyway, as I wrote earlier. Personally I don't prior to find proof of anything, but to watch, enjoy and to believe. I CHOOSE to believe...

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Akezzon,

After seeing that almost every post you have ever made on ATS has been in the "Aliens and UFOs" section, and you are defending this HOAX like you created it, I have reason to believe you have an agenda, and it is not "to search for truth", it is more of a "use anything to make people believe" type agenda.

I am by no means a new member, but this is a new account. I have decided to part from the past, and start new, because my opinion on certain subjects has changed, and I don't want people to look back at my past, and hold it against me.

That being said, I am not here to try to change your already made up mind. You can believe any lie you wish, go for it. All that does is help hoaxers spread their dumb viral videos.

If you are not familiar with the HAITI UFO, or the C2C drone, I guess you are setting yourself up for deception.

Here is a lesson, educate yourself more before you TRY to debunk what I say.

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Yes. I have mostly posted in the Alien section, cause that was the reason I sought myself here.
I find it interesting, and I like to speculate about it and think outside the box.
And if you read my post AGAIN, you might notice that I am NOT defending anything except that I try to point out that you can not entitle this as a hoax just because you happen to believe it is a hoax.

The mods require a bit more than that.

And again, I rather believe than disbelieve... it is more fun.

You have yet to clarify in what way you are an expert by the way.

And the Haiti UFO and the Drone is QUITE different from this.
And they were debunked because the maker came out and described how it had been done. This has yet to happen to this clip.

When or IF it happened, then ofcourse this should be labeled a hoax.

Now, back to the topic.

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Tell me then, why is the C2C drone labeled a HOAX? If you can answer that I will give you 100$.

Also, the Haiti ufo was labeled a hoax way before the creator came forward, because identical trees were found, and also the program used to create it was found with a matching background, also other graphics problems were noticed.

I am an expert with everything that deals with computers. Especially graphics, and lighting, physics, electronics, and much more.

Listen, I am also a graphics programmer, and game designer. I have used "after effects" many times, and I can easily see the "fake camera shake" filter. I have actually had to make my own "fake shake" filter programmicaly before..

I seriously hope you go on You Tube and search for "how to create a ufo video" before you try to debunk any videos.

My eyes are trained to see the "fake" in every video because I know how hard it is to make things look "real".

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Originally posted by ken10
That's just too good.......i mean its funny that just at the time he happens to zoom in on the moon the show starts, Now what's the chances of that ?

Exactly. And not only that but the orientation of the UFO's to provide the V shape just happens to be perfect from the point of view of this particular observer. What a coincidence unless these particular viewers were the only ones in an area of about 7500 sq miles!!! (That's 12 miles visible to the horizon plus the elevation of the moon so a rough guess of 25 miles with the "show" in the centre.

Sorry but this night time (as usual!!!!) footage smells of fake.

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0nce 0nce - if you're so confident it's a fake then why not use your expertise to demonstrate this to us? Like Akezzon I'm still on the fence with this one until proved otherwise.

I'd be really interested to see a demo of "fake camera shake"as I'm sure other members would.

at 1 min if you look at the the black youtube frame around the black sky of the video you can see the youtube frame jump down a bit. I'm starting to think this is a fake.

Originally posted by flight-dynamics

They have American accents which clearly indicates that they are not British. Why would the British declassify a US videotape and not their own? Why would the man doing the video just stop recording and not continue?

These people only have to have been in Britain at the time the video was shot. This could mean that either moved to Britain or they were vacationing. If these two people gave the tape to authorities in Britian then it could have wound up buried in National Archives. (The place where the declassified files are coming from.)

Just because they do not have British accents does not mean that it could not be real.

Even if this video was never declassified by the British government that would not mean it was fake. After all if the people who made the video do not post it themselves on Youtube. Then anybody who does post it can make up their own name for it to try to get as many views as possible, without regard for truth.

Not that this is real, I don't know, but the accents and the possibility it was never declassified does not prove this video is fake.


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reply to post by ZeroGhost

It's useless to do forensic on the video here, and anyone saying it "looks fake" are fooling themselves. I've seen fakes that fool the experts and real that looks fake.

thanks for saying it

wanted to repeat it