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Why do Atheists care about religion?

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posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:36 PM
reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows

Big or small, its still evidence. I would say a whole dynasty (15th) attributed to Non-Egyptian Rulers is fairly significant though. Wouldn't you?

posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:42 PM
reply to post by BrianP

You're very presumptuous about atheists being selfish, which makes me think you don't know any atheists well.

No atheist charities? Ignoring for a moment the fact that forming a charity proclaiming the non existence of God is a moronic thing to do, you seem to think that no atheist will do volunteer work or contribute to an already established charity.

But we shall look at a list of charities that are either explicitly or implicitly secular or atheist.

I've been asked often why there aren't any atheist charities. Of course, as usual, people are just presuming or parroting things they heard. Of course there are atheist charities. And like in my videos post, I am considering charities that do not promote a specific religion to be an atheist charity.

Secular Charities and Aid groups:
a simple way to provide students in need with resources that our public schools often lack.
lets you connect with and loan money to unique small businesses in the developing world.

The Union of Concerned Scientists
The leading science-based non-profit working for a healthy environment and safer world.

American Red Cross
The American Red Cross, a humanitarian organization led by volunteers, guided by its Congressional Charter and the Fundamental Principles of the International Red Cross Movement, will provide relief to victims of disasters and help people prevent, prepare for, and respond to emergencies. The USA's premier emergency response organization, over 91% of Red Cross spending is on charitable services.

American Civil Liberties Union
The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of constitutional protections and guarantees relating to First Amendment rights, including the freedom to practice religion and the freedom not to have religion rammed down our throats, equal protection, due process, and right to privacy.

United Nations Children's Fund
UNICEF mobilizes political will and material resources to help countries, particularly developing countries, ensure a "first call for children" and to build their capacity to form appropriate policies and deliver services for children and their families. UNICEF provides emergency and disaster relief.

Doctors without Borders
Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) is an international independent medical humanitarian organization that delivers emergency aid to people affected by armed conflict, epidemics, natural and man-made disasters, and exclusion from health care in nearly 70 countries.

Amnesty International
AI’s vision is of a world in which every person enjoys all of the human rights enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and other international human rights standards.
In pursuit of this vision, AI’s mission is to undertake research and action focused on preventing and ending grave abuses of the rights to physical and mental integrity, freedom of conscience and expression, and freedom from discrimination, within the context of its work to promote all human rights.

Oxfam International
Oxfam International is a confederation of 12 organizations working together with over 3,000 partners in more than 100 countries to find lasting solutions to poverty, suffering and injustice. The Oxfams operate in over 100 countries worldwide working with local partners to alleviate poverty and injustice.

The Nature Conservancy
The Nature Conservancy is a leading international, nonprofit organization dedicated to preserving the diversity of life on Earth. An environmental group that protects natural habitats and the wildlife within them. Focuses on "science-based" initiatives.

Population Connection
Population Connection is the national grassroots population organization that educates young people and advocates progressive action to stabilize world population at a level that can be sustained by Earth's resources. Works against faith-based policies that are supported by the Religious Right.

DefCon: Campaign to Defend the Constitution
DefCon is an online grassroots movement combating the growing power of the religious right. It includes a blog on religious freedom issues, action alerts, and in-depth articles on scientific, religious, and legal issues of the day.

The SEED foundation
National nonprofit that establishes urban public boarding schools to prepare students from underserved communities for success in college.

Project Peanut Butter
Project Peanut Butter is a therapeutic feeding program for malnourished children in Malawi and Sierra Leone, on the continent of Africa. It was founded by Professor Mark Manary, M.D., a pediatrician at St. Louis Children’s Hospital and a professor of pediatric medicine at Washington University School of Medicine.

Electronic Frontiers Foundation
When our freedoms in the networked world come under attack, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) is the first line of defense. Blending the expertise of lawyers, policy analysts, activists, and technologists, EFF achieves significant victories on behalf of consumers and the general public. EFF fights for freedom primarily in the courts, bringing and defending lawsuits even when that means taking on the US government or large corporations.

Mercy corps
Mercy Corps exists to alleviate suffering, poverty and oppression by helping people build secure, productive and just communities.

Our programs serve people who have been economically, politically, or otherwise marginalized. We change our program approach to relate to their culture and circumstances, reaching out in very different ways, for example, to nomads in Tibet, women in Tanzania, or indigenous Mayans in Guatemala. Our aim is to build a bridge of compassion between our donors and the people we serve — people around the world who have the fewest resources.

International Peace Institute
The International Peace Institute (IPI) formerly International Peace Academy is an independent, international institution dedicated to promoting the prevention and settlement of armed conflict between and within states through policy research and development.

Issue-Specific Secularist Organizations

The ADSN Project.
The Freethought Society of Greater Philadelphia's Anti-Discrimination support network (ADSN) is collecting narratives highlighting instances of bigotry against the nontheist community.


posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:43 PM
reply to post by Welfhard


Southern Poverty Law Center
SPLC is internationally known for its tolerance education programs, its legal victories against white supremacists and its tracking of hate groups.

The Alternatives to Marriage Project
The Alternatives to Marriage Project (AtMP) advocates for equality and fairness for unmarried people, including people who are single, choose not to marry, cannot marry, or live together before marriage.

Pro-choice organizations
Planned Parenthood Federation of America
Provides reproductive health care services, advocates for women's reproductive rights, and offers educational services for women.

NARAL Pro-choice America
Focuses mostly on the social and legal activism for women's abortion rights.

Womens Health Organizations
an international nonprofit organization that has been working for 60 years to make reproductive health services safe, available, and sustainable for women and men worldwide.

an international organization that works around the world to increase women's ability to exercise their sexual and reproductive rights, and to reduce abortion-related deaths and injuries.

Teen Pregnancy Reduction
National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy
Sadly this charity is rated with only 2 stars due to low efficiency. However their goal is highly respectable and needed, to prevent teen pregnancy and unplanned pregnancy among single, young adults.

Treatment Action Campaign
campaign for treatment for people with HIV and to reduce new HIV infections. Our efforts have resulted in many life-saving interventions, including the implementation of country-wide mother-to-child transmission prevention and antiretroviral treatment programes.

U.S. Military
Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers
Challenging the myth that "there are no atheists in foxholes." There certainly are.

Gay rights
A national non-profit gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender (GLBT) agency dedicated to reducing homophobia, inequality, hate crimes, and discrimination by encouraging self-acceptance, cooperation, and non-violence.

Lambda Legal
The legal arm of the Lambda organization that protects GLBT civil rights through impact litigation, education and public policy work.

Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation
Dedicated to promoting and ensuring fair, accurate and inclusive representation of people and events in the media as a means of eliminating homophobia and discrimination based on gender identity and sexual orientation.

Human Rights Campaign
Large organization working for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender equal rights.

School vouchers
National Education Association (NEA) on school vouchers
Provides several arguments for the case against private school vouchers.

Pledge of Allegiance
Restore the Pledge
Support Michael Newdow in his quest to remove the phrase "under God" from the official Pledge of Allegiance, coercively recited by millions of schoolchildren every day.

Evolution/Creationism in the science classroom
National Center for Science Education
Great resource with current news and resources (including the famous "Project Steve" list!) on defending evolution and science against pseudoscience advocates.

Texas Freedom Network
The Texas Freedom Network advances a mainstream agenda of religious freedom and individual liberties to counter the religious right

Boy Scouts of America discrimination against atheists, gays
Scouting For All
Composed of mostly former Boy Scouts, it is working to influence the BSA to include all participating youth members and leaders regardless of religious beliefs or sexual orientation.

Children in Poor countries
an organization committed to helping children, their families and communities in 49 developing countries around the world.

Internet tools
a multilingual, Web-based, free-content encyclopedia project. The name "Wikipedia" is a portmanteau (a combination of portions of two words and their meanings) of the words wiki (a type of collaborative Web site) and encyclopedia. Wikipedia's articles provide links to guide the user to related pages with additional information.

Church/state separation and secularist organizations

Americans United for Separation of Church and State
A national watchdog organization (with local chapters all around the U.S.---find one near you!) dedicated to preserving religious liberty. It is open to theists and nontheists of all kinds, and is headed by a minister with the United Church of Christ (Rev. Barry Lynn) who can be seen often in the national media and news stories centering on church/state separation issues.

American Civil Liberties Union (click on the "Religious Liberty" link)
A favorite target of the Religious Right. The ACLU defends civil liberties on many fronts including church/state separation, personal privacy, and legal protection through due process. Look for a local chapter in your area to join.

People for the American Way
Progressive group that supports secular values in government. PFAW is an activist organization and PAC (political action committee) working to battle such groups as the Christian Coalition. Click the "Religious Freedom" link for action alerts and information.

Freedom from Religion Foundation
Great organization that defends the rights of nontheists in courtrooms, sponsors a fun-filled annual national convention, and publishes the popular "Freethought Today" (magazine written by and for freethinkers).

Godless Americans Political Action Committee
Endorses and supports U.S. political candidates that support secular values in government and the rights of "godless Americans." We will have our "seat at the table" in formulating public policy.

Atheist Alliance
Democratic association of various individual atheists and atheist organizations. It is a great all-around resource for all-things atheist.

Interfaith Alliance
Alliance of leaders of various religions, worldviews, and beliefs that includes Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, agnostics, atheists, et al. It works to promote religious freedom for everyone regardless of religious beliefs as well as civic participation and civility. Nontheists can find theist allies here.


posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:46 PM
reply to post by Welfhard

Since when does secular mean atheist? It is possible to support secularism and not be atheist after all.

posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:47 PM
reply to post by KRISKALI777

I cannot comment as Ancient Egyptian is not something I have studied extensively. Was merely providing a little information.

posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:50 PM
reply to post by Welfhard


Secular Coalition for America
Vast coalition of secular and freethought organizations (including the Internet Infidels!) dedicated to sending lobbyists to Washington, D.C. to gain support for protecting the rights of nontheist Americans.

Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science
Explores the causes of religious belief, promotes science in public schools, maintains a list of public lecturers, sells pro-secularist books and other media, and facilitates the giving of humanitarian aid to organizations that are completely secular in nature.


National Secular Society
Supports secularism in the UK, as well as church-state separation.

Rationalist Association
The Rationalist Association is a focus for rationalist thought and debate in the UK and worldwide. The RA is the UK's leading freethought and rationalist book publisher.


Atheist Foundation of Australia, Inc.
Something for our friends Down Under -- lots of good information, book lists, humor, etc.

Organizations that promote humanism/Atheism

Center For Inquiry
The purpose of the Center for Inquiry is to contribute to the public understanding and appreciation of science and reason, and their applications to human conduct.

Council for Secular Humanism
Large organization that offers support for secular humanists through activities such as magazine publishing, conducting secular ceremonies (weddings, funerals, etc.), educational courses, and summer camps for kids that teach critical thinking skills and secular ethical values.

American Humanist Association
Promotes the spread of humanism and furthering of the humanist philosophy in the U.S. by working with and/or establishing like-minded organizations.

The Continuum of Humanist Education
Online courses available for humanists in areas such as law, science, ethics, and secular humanist philosophy.

The Institute for Humanist Studies (IHS)
A think-tank that offers news, opinions, information, and humor relating to humanism. It works to spread public awareness and acceptance of humanist principles.

British Humanist Association
The largest provider of humanist ceremonies in England and Wales. Offers services for weddings, funerals, and baby-namings as well as general resources on humanism and support for humanist organizations.

Humanist Association of Canada
Provides secular officiants, information, services, and support for humanists in Canada.

Positive Atheism
Comprehensive resource for positive atheists to learn about atheism, history, philosophy, religious freedom, and responsibility.

Unitarian Universalist Assocation
A popular "church" for atheists, agnostics, deists, very liberal Christians, etc. Check your local yellow pages for one in your community or use this website's handy Congregation locator.

The Brights
A movement endorsed by several prominent nontheists to adopt a new term ("Brights") with an accompanying philosophy to describe secularists, freethinkers, atheists, naturalists, etc. with the intent of putting forth a positive, and less-stigmatized, perception of ourselves. Many nontheists have encouraged its use, while many others reject it.

The Objectivist Center
A controversial philosophy founded by Ayn Rand that embodies particular principles on various philosophical, political, economic, and religious issues. Objectivists generally are atheists, but atheists are generally not Objectivists.

Skeptic Society
Learn how to live life free of nonsensical beliefs, and develop your own scientific and critical thinking skills. Also publishes a popular monthly magazine, SKEPTIC, which can be found in major bookstores.

Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal (CSICOP)
Investigates extraordinary claims from a scientific and rational perspective. CSICOP also puts out a popular monthly magazine, Skeptical Inquirer, found in major bookstores.

American Ethical Union (AEU)
The American Ethical Union (AEU) describes "Ethical Culture" as a humanistic religious and educational movement inspired by the ideal that the supreme aim of human life is working to create a more humane society.

International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU)
IHEU is the sole world umbrella organization for humanist, atheist, rationalist, secularist, skeptic, laique, ethical cultural, freethought and similar organizations world-wide.

Internet Infidels
A nonprofit educational organization dedicated to defending and promoting a naturalistic worldview on the Internet. They offer thousands of outstanding essays, reviews, and critiques, covering everything from articles of general interest to scholarly papers by prominent nontheistic philosophers, scientists, historians, and others. Unlike most of our opponents, we even publish responses to our own pieces to encourage readers to make up their own minds. In addition to such encyclopedic resources, other features of the site are outlined in the Secular Web pamphlet, which readers may download, print out, and distribute, as desired.

[Effort Sisyphus: Atheist Charities]

So think twice before making the sweeping generalisations that atheists both are selfish and contribute nothing to society. After all, science is secular in it's nature, a look at what it has done for us.

[edit on 26-4-2009 by Welfhard]

posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:52 PM
If you assume absolute truth, you are wrong!
yes i see your point. But im talking about an athiest organization that is obviously athiest. You can just assume that those are athiest run because they do not have God in the title but it would be just an assumption. Just because KFC does not call its self "gods choice in chicken" does not make it athiest as Colonel Sanders was a souther baptist. What i was talking about is an Athiest run organization i do not see any. You have christian charities/rehabs/halfway houses all over the place. No athiest ones. Im waithing for the day when i see an organizations of athiests that say somthing along the lines of "we are athiests and we are here to help"

posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:55 PM

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by Welfhard

Since when does secular mean atheist? It is possible to support secularism and not be atheist after all.

Secular is defined as:

1. of or pertaining to worldly things or to things that are not regarded as religious, spiritual, or sacred; temporal: secular interests.
2. not pertaining to or connected with religion (opposed to sacred ): secular music.
3. (of education, a school, etc.) concerned with nonreligious subjects.

The secular is the only real way that atheists will do anything. This thread and situations when atheists are resisting religion and it's influence aside, when is an atheist not going to be doing things secular?

So this list is both atheistic and secular.

[edit on 26-4-2009 by Welfhard]

posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:58 PM
reply to post by BrianP

If a group of atheists wanted to form a charity to, say help the homeless, why the hell would they consider being atheist an important part of the charity organisation?!

They don't. Beliefs are unimportant in this situation, whereas the act of charity is. They'd therefore form a secular organisation where religion is irrelevant.

But your wider opinion that atheist don't or can't contribute anything to society is disgusting. Case in point, me. I'm a volunteer at the local SPCA animal shelter, itself a Secular organisation.

[edit on 27-4-2009 by Welfhard]

posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 12:01 AM
reply to post by Welfhard

Must be nice to actually convince yourself that just because it's secular it's atheistic. And it's also worth noting that just becase someone a scientist does not make them an atheist, the implication seems to be there and I apologise if I am in error. an atheist organization =/= an atheist organization
The Union of Concerned Scientists =/= an atheist organization
American Red Cross=/= an atheist organization
American Civil Liberties Union=/= an atheist organization
United Nations Children's Fund=/= an atheist organization

Well you get the idea, and a few of these aren't even charitable associations out to help anyone except further the goals of a certain viewpoint, that of atheism.

posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 12:02 AM
reply to post by Welfhard

Too bad secularism does not equal atheism as is your inference.

posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 12:04 AM
reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows

But these are organisations where religion or faiths are irrelevant, is my point, so they can't be chalked up to being a religious charity.

posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 12:06 AM

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by Welfhard

Too bad secularism does not equal atheism as is your inference.

No I wasn't inferring that. This is a list of non-religious organisations. That non-religiousness part is the point.

Put it this way, if you made a venn diagram of charities, atheists would overlap greatly with the secular.

[edit on 27-4-2009 by Welfhard]

posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 12:07 AM
But the athiest ideal scene is "no religion" and athiests want the word god taken out because it goes against their views because they are athiests (which is valid and respectable). However the whole thing calling somthing that is secular athiestic looks to be just taking credit for somthing. Christians put god or christ in the titles to let people know who they are and what they are doing. Athiests could do the same thing but they do not, from what it looks like athiests just want to take credit for all those carities just becuase they are not tied in with a religion. Being secular is not athiestic. Just as praying to god does not make you a christian.

posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 12:11 AM
reply to post by Welfhard

Um, one seeking to bridge the gaps between the religions with understand IS a religious charity.

posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 12:16 AM
reply to post by BrianP

Weather atheist or not, religious designation loves to put all kinds of labels upon others from different ideals of belief, which counter-productive to region, drives a lot of free-thinkers into the opposite direction; ie: anti-whatever they are proposing. It seems to be christians that pull the atheist card more often than anyone. Why, they are busy trying to cover their own religious transgressions by pointing the finger and making out everyone else is the bad-guy!

posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 12:21 AM
reply to post by BrianP

Please. Stop with the Atheist generalizations. There is only ONE THING Atheists have in common: They don't believe in God(s). Any other negative traits people are so desperate to apply to Atheists, are character flaws. There is nothing inherently evil or negative about Atheism.

posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 12:24 AM
reply to post by KRISKALI777

Weather atheist or not, religious designation loves to put all kinds of labels upon others from different ideals of belief, which counter-productive to region, drives a lot of free-thinkers into the opposite direction; ie: anti-whatever they are proposing. It seems to be christians that pull the atheist card more often than anyone. Why, they are busy trying to cover their own religious transgressions by pointing the finger and making out everyone else is the bad-guy!

From what i could read out of that it looks like mostly broad generality.... "loves to put all kinds of labels..." If you are a "free-thinker" how could you be driven to be anti anything? What do you mean christians that pull the athiest card? never mind please read what you posted then translate it into somthing i can read.

posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 12:46 AM
reply to post by BrianP

Woah woah woah, brianp, woah.

You said that there are no atheist charities and that they contribute nothing to society.

That bull, specifically is what I am addressing here. You are wrong on both counts.

posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 12:51 AM

Originally posted by Welfhard
reply to post by BrianP

Woah woah woah, brianp, woah.

You said that there are no atheist charities and that they contribute nothing to society.

That bull, specifically is what I am addressing here. You are wrong on both counts.

No you are the one who is wrong. I never said that they didn't contribute i was asking WHAT they contribute and that I have never seen an athiest charity. You in turn produced a group of secular organizations caliming they were athiest organizations. I also said that Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong and Pol Pot were all athiests and ran religion free states and we all saw how well that turned out.
in summation scroll up please.

[edit on 27-4-2009 by BrianP]

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