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Why do Atheists care about religion?

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posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 03:55 AM
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So, apparently I am dragging you down to believing in something or anything.
WOW, I didn't know I had that power until now.

Hmm, making people believe in something or anything is quite difficult.

So, I am not actually making you believe in either one.




posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 04:29 AM
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I feel the bible is encoded as well however I see the encoded messages by a God of Love and a Lord God of destruction, mayham and murder. If you believe in the encoding maybe you can consider this other possibility.
Exodus 15:3-11 "The Lord is a man of war; The Lord is His name...who is like you O Lord, among the gods?..." Exodus 34: 14; " for you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God"
Has the bible been misread?
God is not jealous, envious cruel or vindictive however the Lord of the old testament is all these things therefor the Lord is very different to God. There is proof in the bible to validate this statement. The bible paints a picture of a Lord who is cruel, who commands male superiority over female, "...he shall rule over you" (Genesis 2:16) compared to the Loving God of Genesis 1 who created male and female in the image of God and there is no separation between the sexes for male and female were created equal and God blessed them.
Parallel universes, altered realities or altered states of consciousness? Are we witnessing the most amazing revelation of the book written called the bible revealing to mankind the reality of good vs evil, light vs dark? Is the bible possibly the most misread book in the history of mankind?
Is the God of Love possibly the most misinterpreted and misunderstood God of all times?
Has the church confused the scriptures and possibly misquoted sources therein confusing the God of Love with the dark Lord of devastation, murder rape and mayham?
Is it not God who says to Noah do not murder (Gen 9:6), yet the Lord (not God) commands the murder of men, woman and children throughout the Old testament?
Let us not confuse the two. God is beautiful kind and loving. Let us release God from the passages of the OT where He is quoted to have ordered and said vile and horrid things. Let us release God from the accusations held by many and exhalt God in the highest way. The bible depicts choice and possibly the greatest of all deceivers and liars masquarding as God, calling himself to the Israelites " I am the Lord your God" and pretending to be God where as the dark Lord is obviously dark and obviously cruel.



posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 05:26 AM
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Originally posted by spellbound
reply to post by Gawdzilla
 


So, apparently I am dragging you down to believing in something or anything.
WOW, I didn't know I had that power until now.

Hmm, making people believe in something or anything is quite difficult.

So, I am not actually making you believe in either one.



Religion drags the human race down. Impedes progress and stifles creative thought (unless it benefits the church). Imagine where we would be if the monks hadn't selectively destroyed "heretical" works during the Dark Ages? If religion maniacs hadn't burned the Library of Alexandria?



posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 06:07 AM
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Apparently the burning of the Pharos Library, kept in that same light-house commissioned by Alexander The Great- by the Romans; put the worlds technology behind by about 400 years, as written by Gawds..to this I also agree.
Using religion as the means, catholicism as the sword, Constantine; as perpetual-undertaker, destroyed all he could not control.
Those were the days when Religion and Government were so intertwined, it was difficult to see any devision. If anything, each used the other as a convenient prop.
I wouldn't throw all religions into this particular debate though; as Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, etc; are not bound to the particular control that Christianity has enjoyed politically; the 2 other "intolerant" religions :Islam, Judaism have the same characters in their dogmatic story-lines, and indeed display the same amount of intolerance to different faiths/philosophies.
Yes....I say Christianity, Islam, Judaism = The Unholy Trinity.



posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by mostlyspoons
Religion isn't necessarily the basis for being anti gay marriage... Marriage is an age-old symbolic union between man and woman, where they symbolically become one. Male + female = marriage.


No you idiot, marriage started off as business arrangements to do with property. Now, it's supposed to be an expression of love and commitment between two people.


but so as not to step on the toes of normal couples. If my terminology offends, i appologise but I don't believe in being PC.


It would be less offensive if you had said perhaps 'typical' couples, as to avoid the flame-off that calling straits 'normal' and 'gays' not normal induces. But why ought typical couples have their toes stepped on? Gay relationships are can be as valid and loving as any strait relationship. Appealing to tradition is a poor excuse too, Gay couples looking to marry as opposed to 'union'-ing, in order to get all the benefits that marriage comes with. This again is an issue of fairness and just.


Jesus stood up for the righteous, the little guys.


He also claimed to be the son of God, an illogical proposition adding to the craziness that is the 'Trinity'.


The bible is a book that attempts to unify mankind, under God, against the principalities of oppression and slavery, and to teach mankind to rise above his animalistic tendencies. That is the theme of the bible.


The bible teaches intolerance of other peoples beliefs, that they are somehow less valid than christian ones, as exemplified by the 'chosen' people being order by god to kill everyone else. 'Holy' wars, indeed.
And Jesus never said there was anything wrong with slavery.


ALL THE WORLDS PROBLEMS won't magically go away if you take away religion!!


But it would be a start.



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by Welfhard

Originally posted by mostlyspoons


Jesus stood up for the righteous, the little guys.


Jesus also stood up for the woman yet that was not acknowledged by the churches until a decade ago, as most followed Pauls writtings that stated in I Corinthians 14:34-35; "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." also outside of the church 1Tim 23:11 Paul does not permit woman to teach, or have authority over men etc, ..now girls know your place...lol, buts its ok to be sunday school teachers.


He also claimed to be the son of God, an illogical proposition adding to the craziness that is the 'Trinity'.

Jesus never said He was God not did He ever say he was a part of a Trinity that is completely made up by the church. Paul threw his 2-bits in especially as Paul is known to be the first pope of the catholic church and remember Paul never knew Jesus when He was alive, never walked with Jesus or or His followers...but became the biggest writter of the NT with other writters not being included...I wonder why...mmmm?


The bible is a book that attempts to unify mankind, under God, against the principalities of oppression and slavery, and to teach mankind to rise above his animalistic tendencies. That is the theme of the bible.


the OT bible does nothing to unify man...is that quote for real?...The OT is ruled by a dark and Jealous Lord god who orders horrid crimes on humanity and under his command orders mankind to murder children, promotes slavery, rape and murder...no unification there. Judges 8:7 Numbers 31:16-18, Numbers 25:3-4, Numbers 16:32-35, Exodus 12:29-30 II Chronicles 14:12...just to name a few...oppression do as I say or I will kill you... try Judges 19:25-29, an Israelite offers his concubine to be raped and murdered... right.... and this is what the church believes as divine...this is a dark Lord written within the bible to deceive people and has done a jolly good job at it...not me though. I differentiate between the two gods of the bible, one of Love one of War

Now the God of love (Gen 1) very different to the dark Lord states very clearly we are not to murder...


[edit on 20-4-2009 by flashesofblue]



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by KRISKALI777
reply to post by Gawdzilla
 


Apparently the burning of the Pharos Library, kept in that same light-house commissioned by Alexander The Great- by the Romans; put the worlds technology behind by about 400 years, as written by Gawds..to this I also agree.
Using religion as the means, catholicism as the sword, Constantine; as perpetual-undertaker, destroyed all he could not control.
Those were the days when Religion and Government were so intertwined, it was difficult to see any devision. If anything, each used the other as a convenient prop.
I wouldn't throw all religions into this particular debate though; as Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, etc; are not bound to the particular control that Christianity has enjoyed politically; the 2 other "intolerant" religions :Islam, Judaism have the same characters in their dogmatic story-lines, and indeed display the same amount of intolerance to different faiths/philosophies.
Yes....I say Christianity, Islam, Judaism = The Unholy Trinity.


It seems that religions rising from the middle east all have several common ideals, that comes from the fact that they're all based in Judaism. Many eastern religions favor inner peace, finding what you want to live for, not living to worship a god that doesn't even have a name.



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 02:01 AM
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Based on nothing?? Really?? Where do we come from again? And don't say The Big Bang, because I'm sure that you don't know the details.

That's the problem: your prejudice (or another person?) tells you that believing in God is stupid and ignorant.

That's the other problem: you claim that God is false because religion is false

By rejecting God outright, you are, indeed, not thinking for yourself. Instead, you are parrotting socialist rhetoric. Therefore, you have demonstrated your own hipocrisy. And good luck getting off the terrorist watchlist. I'm sure somebody out there will be praying for you.



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 02:04 AM
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Oh, and I suppose that most educational institutions, strip clubs, and ATS are just safe havens, oases in the desert ?



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 02:04 AM
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Mainstream science is a religion, duh!



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 02:28 AM
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No it isn't. Mainstream science requires no faith or dedication, conformity etc.



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 02:45 AM
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Atheists care about religion due to insecurity.
Scientists and awake people in general do not care about
the Flat Earth believers.
They are secure in their knowledge of a round earth.
Therefore there is no reason to waste time with Flat earthers.

Atheists have solidified their non-belief into a fanatical religion
and this results in their mental anquish.

Frankly, I don't believe in God, if by God you mean a supreme being
who created everything.
It doesn't make any sense because who created God?
If you answer that God is infinite then why can't cognizance be infinite?
That would explain re-incarnation. However belief is not experience therefore openness allows for the possibility though it seems remote.

I only believe in what I experience.
And having experienced cosmic states of consciousness I am open
to the mystical states of Christian saints. And if you study the Saints
then you find these god-like states of mind are induced internally and
are not the result of an external God.



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 02:54 AM
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Atheists care about religion due to insecurity.


pfff. Atheists care about religion in the same way blacks care about racism.



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 03:01 AM
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Mainstream science does require conformity. If you don't toe the line then your research doesn't get published. All science requires faith that its "laws" are absolutely true



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 03:03 AM
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No, if your research doesn't make it through peer review - testing the thoroughness and validity of your research - then it doesn't get published.



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 03:23 AM
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The peer review process in mainstream science is poisoned by dogmatic top-down assertions



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 03:28 AM
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Even if that were true, it still doesn't make it a religion.



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 03:44 AM
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Blacks care about racism due to insecurity otherwise why care about it.
Hello, Blacks are not secure in a non-racist world.
It's pretty obvious they are insecure in a racist world.
Thanks for your non-answer.



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 04:10 AM
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Perhaps they care about racism on principle, that is what the few black people have told me.



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 05:38 AM
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Originally posted by Electricneo
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Blacks care about racism due to insecurity otherwise why care about it.
Hello, Blacks are not secure in a non-racist world.
It's pretty obvious they are insecure in a racist world.
Thanks for your non-answer.


Black care about men being lynched for looking at a white woman in the wrong place. They care about black churches being burned. They care about being "red zoned" into the worst housing. They care about being shunted into the worst jobs. And this happens because? Racism. I've seen all those things happen. You'd be insecure too if a bunch of drunken rednecks might appear in the night to haul your son away to a tree and hang him after they castrated him because he said "hello" to a white girl. (Google "Muncie Indiana Lynching" if you think it's a "South only" problem.)




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