Declassified CIA documents show mind control projects created super spies, terrorists, assassins, page 3

Originally posted by texas thinker
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This whole mass shooting thing seemed to really start with the UT gunman up in the tower back in '66. Anyone know if this guy had any prior government or military involvement? How about college? Could he have been one of the original experimentees?

He was military; which branch I cannot be certain. Whale says Navy, Wiki has Marines.

www.whale.to...

Footnote: A couple weeks after the Chicago slaughter, Charles Whitman - a former marine who had received training by the Naval Enlisted Science Education Program (NESEP), an intelligence entity - would climb the tower at the University of Texas carrying three rifles, three handguns and a shotgun, and proceed to open fire, killing sixteen. Whitman would leave a note which read, in part, "I don't quite understand what is compelling me to type this note. I have been to a psychiatrist. I have been having fears and violent impulses."

en.wikipedia.org...

...Whitman joined the Marines on July 6, 1959.

You asked about college - A UT shooter - UT student
According to Wiki:

Whitman entered the mechanical engineering program at the University of Texas on September 15, 1961

Note: UT is where my 'friend' went as well. I believe his incident was a year or two later though. I forgot the year.

You asked if he could be one of the original test subjects.

According to Wiki again

Whitman's bodily fluids had been removed and his body embalmed prior to the autopsy, so there was no urine to test for the amphetamines.

Since we know he was already under psychiatric care ... (a subject which belongs to a whole new thread category) ... which would make him an easy target or 'patsy' for the MKUltra program AND since the autopsy (yet another subject about Texas' morticians and medical examiners and forensic specialists being 'over-ruled' and made to change testimony and autopsy reports) ... I think this will remain an unsolved question.

First, there's nothing 'to gain' by exumation and examination utilizing more current procedures that might be able to find drugs in the remaining body tissues.

Second, mass murder wasn't new at this time ... though the recent case prior to Charle's incident at UT might have contributed to the 'climate'.

Third, nothing can be proved by showing what proofs we do NOT have.

Fourth, my opinion ... I'm 50/50 ... completely undecided and have no opinion.

reply to post by Moonsouljah

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He was probably getting a degree in Rhetoric, is my guess...

en.wikipedia.org...

Aristotle's treatise on rhetoric is an attempt to systematically describe civic rhetoric as a human art or skill (techne). His definition of rhetoric as "the faculty of observing in any given case the available means of persuasion," essentially a mode of discovery, seems to limit the art to the inventional process, and Aristotle heavily emphasizes the logical aspect of this process. But the treatise in fact also discusses not only elements of style and (briefly) delivery, but also emotional appeals (pathos) and characterological appeals (ethos). He thus identifies three steps or "offices" of rhetoric—invention, arrangement, and style—and three different types of rhetorical proof:

* ethos: how the character and credibility of a speaker can influence an audience to consider him/her to be believable.

Today, this is still an effective means of persuading an audience; however, shrewd, critical listeners will note whether the "expert's" actual arguments are as impressive and satisfying as his or her title, to avoid the informal logical fallacy of an Appeal to Authority.

o This could be any position in which the speaker—from being a college professor of the subject, to being an acquaintance of person who experienced the matter in question—knows about the topic.

o For instance, when a magazine claims that An MIT professor predicts that the robotic era is coming in 2050, the use of big-name "MIT" (a world-renowned American university for the advanced research in math, science, and technology) establishes the "strong" credibility.
* pathos: the use of emotional appeals to alter the audience's judgment.
o This can be done through metaphor, amplification, storytelling, or presenting the topic in a way that evokes strong emotions in the audience.
* logos: the use of reasoning, either inductive or deductive, to construct an argument.
o Logos appeals include appeals to statistics, math, logic, and objectivity. For instance, when advertisements claim that their product is 37% more effective than the competition, they are making a logical appeal.
o Inductive reasoning uses examples (historical, mythical, or hypothetical) to draw conclusions.
o Deductive reasoning, or "enthymematic" reasoning, uses generally accepted propositions to derive specific conclusions. The term logic evolved from logos. Aristotle emphasized enthymematic reasoning as central to the process of rhetorical invention, though later rhetorical theorists placed much less emphasis on it.

I saw this video and its about the CIA tactics for mind control of our public. watch it here:
www.arrivals.technocrazed.com...

reply to post by schrodingers dog

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I don't want to turn your thread into a thread on religion but this is a fine video comparing mind-control of the NWO in religious terms

I am still watching it so I will see if it turns out to be a dud.

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by Perseus Apex

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I hesitate to re-hash this, but I am very disturbed that a person would say:

McVeigh was a scapegoat. Rogue agents within the CIA, FBI and the Mossad organized the OKC disaster, 9/11, USS Liberty, USS Cole, 77 London bombing, Madrid bombing, Osama Bin Laden (CIA asset), and a whole host of other False Flag Operations; same SOP.

...all in one post. I'm not disturbed by the 'assertions', I am disturbed that an individual exists who actually believes all of these kinds of paranoid allusions. It beggars credulity......

Ed. Oh! Forgot to add....nice job, as always, SD!

[edit on 4 July 2009 by weedwhacker]

reply to post by mkultraangel

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...Hum... I think the "new" Catcher in the Rye is...
All Tomorrow's Parties by William S. Gibson....

"cardboard city" "Boomzilla" "the Bridge" ceramic weapons 3D fax


...I had some 'trouble' in the military years ago... And, when I woke up...

The first thing they asked me was... "Have you ever taken '___'?"


...Am I being too oblique? Probably... (Haw!)

Yeah this operation has been declassified for sometime. I saw a documentary about it on the National Geographic Channel a few months ago. It was very interesting. They discussed the possibility of Sirhan Sirhan as a possible Manchurian Candidate produced by the CIA in the assassination of RFK.

Some more information relating to this and other covert CIA missions can be found here: www.thirdworldtraveler.com...

Also, after I saw that documentary, I was inspired to conduct some further research into the mind-control techniques. I found this YouTube Channel of a subject of these experiments. He describes his experience as horrifying. They played a message to him repeatedly for two weeks saying, "You killed your mother." After he was released, he arrived home to find his mother dead. He remembers himself in a confused state, unable to determine whether he did, in fact, kill her. If interested, please visit his channel: www.youtube.com...

Another though occurred to me with respect to this topic- tapping into the sub-conscious mind, and thus controlling the conscious mind is not only possible, it is extremely effective. Derren Brown is a master of this. In this stunning video (www.youtube.com...) he plays a pre-recorded message every couple minutes in a shopping mall. It says, "Good afternoon ladies and gentleman. Welcome to Palacades mall. We hope your shopping experience is an uplifting arm (he's british, so it sounds like "one") and I'd like to bring to your attention a pair of very special offers today." After about a half-hour of this subtle implantation, he comes on the microphone and repeats that message. He then adds to it:

Details of our offers can be handily by our elevators. So why not come
right on up and see for yourselves. Our special offers will only be
available for a short period of time, so all those customers wishing to
reach up, and grab this exciting opportunity should do so now.

At that moment, everyone located by the escalators in the middle of the mall simultaneous raises one of their arms. They are completely unaware as to the reason for their actions. They seem bewildered by what had just occurred. There is, however, a logical explanation for this. Look at the subtle cues Brown uses. "Uplifting arm", "handily", "right on up", "reach up", "grab." This is incredibly powerful, and advertisers use it all the time. There are some other great videos of Derren Brown exploiting certain triggers to manipulate people. Here are a couple I recommend:

Brown turns the tables on the advertisers:
www.youtube.com...

Brown instantly makes subway passengers forget which stop they are getting off at (the trick in this one is that he asks, "which STOP, THINKING ABOUT IT NOW, are you getting off at?"; hence, they stop thinking about the stop and forget)
www.youtube.com...

If one man is capable of manipulating the minds of hundreds in a matter of a half hour, one can only imagine the possible ramifications of military efforts. Although MK-Ultra may have been dismissed as a failure, there is no doubt in my mind that these experiments have continued since.

[edit on 5-7-2009 by 1 4M 7H3 1]

reply to post by weedwhacker

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Are you kidding me, "weedwhacker"? I wonder how much research you've done into any of their accusations. You had better have more than psychoanalysis to respond to me with, because I've studied each of those events intensely.

reply to post by schrodingers dog

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Yes it's what they do, they open you up then take control. You become more influenced, more controlable.
Once they tap in it's very hard to say no, it depends on your will. Ohhh man I can't wait, soon it's going to change.

Hope this helps if you happen to have accidentally brainwashed yourself by reading all these posts

Free will is the act of brainwashing yourself to do what is in your own best interest, whereas Slave Will is the act of allowing others to brainwash you to do what is in their interests

Don't let your reptile emotions get the best of you, use your powers of rationality

Stop your messing around, better think of your future, time you straighten right out, creating problems in town
RUDY, a message to you, a message to you rudy

reply to post by pepsi78

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Interesting, but why and how will it change?
I've heard a few people who were supposedly programmed say their personalities were merging, but that's obviously far from proof, and they said they didn't know why it was happening...

Originally posted by Perseus Apex
reply to post by merkaba93

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McVeigh was a scapegoat. Rogue agents within the CIA, FBI and the Mossad organized the OKC disaster, 9/11, USS Liberty, USS Cole, 77 London bombing, Madrid bombing, Osama Bin Laden (CIA asset), and a whole host of other False Flag Operations; same SOP.

This was done for three main reasons:

1) To destroy evidence (OKC building) of which was held in the building and implicated the banksters to a whole host of crimes, same as the Pentagon location of which was missiled (no aircraft involved).

2) To dissuade and prohibit the formation of Militia groups of which is Constitutionally protected.

Remember Waco, (considered Religious extremists) of whom were murdered. This was yet another 'example' set for the masses to witness their lack of freedom of Religion in the Bankster controlled mass media. These people should have been de-programmed, not murdered. This was merely practice (spec ops) for what was to come later.

3) To help bring about a NWO by bringing in stricter 'enforcement' measures against the people at large.

In 1814 the White House, Library of Congress and other associated buildings were burned to the ground to destroy the original transcripts of the US Constitution. It has something do to with this: The Plantation

As soon as fellows such as President Lincoln, Jackson (attempted assassination), John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, JFK jr and a host of others mentioned they were to abolish the Federal Reserve and print their own US currency, they were assassinated.

The US was taken hostage long ago and the crimes perpetuated on the people and their 'elected' leaders continued to go unnoticed but to only a few who were in the know. Those in the know have been blackmailed, payed off, threatened or assassinated to keep the crime wave in motion.

A financial Tsunami is on the way, courtesy of the fractional reserve banking fraud perpetuated by the International bankster cartel and Co.

History of the Federal Reserve

How could this be one might ask:

Timeline of the Rothschild banking dynasty

They spoke, did the people bear witness to 'their' words?

Rot-child quotes

Illuminati quotes

NWO quotes

History books make good fodder for the Fire.

It is time for the People to take action or be ignorant, bridled slaves unto 'Another'.

As the hunted leaves a trail of blood, the Banksters leave a trail of money.

Audit the Fed, IRS, IMF, The World Bank, Bank for International Settlements, Central Banks of the World, the UN. You get the idea. They'll surely be running for cover. You'd probably never see or hear from these beasts of 'Your' burden again.

If the money was stolen from you via ill-gotten gain, fraud and high acts of Treason, GET IT BACK, return it to the Treasury and the People. Bring back a gold, silver backed currency for the interim to something greater which lies ahead.



[edit on 12-4-2009 by Perseus Apex]

Sharia law doesn't scare me.
Terrorists don't scare me.
The prospect of ghosts and evil spirits don't scare me.
Alien abduction doesn't scare me.
I am not bothered so much by the collapse of the dollar.

The stuff you linked in your post horrifies me, at a very base level.

We should all experience actual mortal terror when we read the info in your links.

This stuff should be on the front page of every newspaper, everyday, until these people find their end.

The people who have engineered this stuff are the embodiment of evil.

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