Declassified CIA documents show mind control projects created super spies, terrorists, assassins

Unlike a lot of conspiracy you read about on here this one about mind control in general sounds like one of the most unbelieveable on the surface, yet has a great deal of evidence to support the CIA and other government agencies at least experimented with it, heavily through the 60's and 70's. I did a bit of research on mass shootings by single gunmen and there is little or any evidence of this occuring before the whole anti-gun movement started which is around these same decades. There is almost no doubt of LSD and hypnosis experiments. My father was in the army around the end of the Korean conflict and he was injected with a host of different injections he was never told what they were definitively.
This whole mass shooting thing seemed to really start with the UT gunman up in the tower back in '66. Anyone know if this guy had any prior government or military involvement? How about college? Could he have been one of the original experimentees?

If I may be so bold, any such assertion would be at this point supposition only.

In such matters it is always served me to consider the three basics regarding crime: Means, motive and opportunity.

Certainly all but motive seem lacking in the matter. Why, social engineering?

After a mass shooting around my area, not one that made the news out of this state (at least to my knowledge)...this SWAT guy came to one of my Grad school Sociology classes and was talking about it....it was like an eerie show-and-tell because he was a friend of one of the class members....anyway the SWAT guy was the one who ultimately shot the perp after this guy had killed his family, a cop, and was shooting up a neighborhood---I asked him that question, like WOW was this guy ex-military or WHAT> (to be so precise in his aim)...the SWAT guy was adamant and the news portrayed it in the same way--it was video games that made him do it (even though the gunman was like in his 40's and I have a hard time picturing him sitting around playing games, but who knows?) also they blamed it on the mental health system, because evidently he was admitted then released....if I remember correctly he went voluntarily (or at least peacefully) to the psych ward....hmmmm

Maybe the mental health system is the real culprits, but then again, I don't want to go there or do I?

He was military; which branch I cannot be certain. Whale says Navy, Wiki has Marines.

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You asked about college - A UT shooter - UT student
According to Wiki:



Note: UT is where my 'friend' went as well. I believe his incident was a year or two later though. I forgot the year.

You asked if he could be one of the original test subjects.

According to Wiki again



Since we know he was already under psychiatric care ... (a subject which belongs to a whole new thread category) ... which would make him an easy target or 'patsy' for the MKUltra program AND since the autopsy (yet another subject about Texas' morticians and medical examiners and forensic specialists being 'over-ruled' and made to change testimony and autopsy reports) ... I think this will remain an unsolved question.

First, there's nothing 'to gain' by exumation and examination utilizing more current procedures that might be able to find drugs in the remaining body tissues.

Second, mass murder wasn't new at this time ... though the recent case prior to Charle's incident at UT might have contributed to the 'climate'.

Third, nothing can be proved by showing what proofs we do NOT have.

Fourth, my opinion ... I'm 50/50 ... completely undecided and have no opinion.

Two Thumbs up for this thread!
I've been reading through in intervals and have absolutely enjoyed the personal stories. Hollywood couldn't make this stuff up! I was subjected into viewing the show 24 at my girlfriend's parent's home (apparently they're a TV family) and I'd guess the average ATSer would find that show laughable if not patronizing given what is discussed here. Man!

Anyhoo- unfortunately the modern society we live (those of us with internet access) seems quite laden with all sorts of invasive forms of brain-targeting efforts. Privacy seems to have gone out the window.

I think the teen shootings around columbine and stuff were totally brainwashing campaigns.
Also, let's not discount the vile filth we voluntary consume in our pre-packaged foods and diet sodas (aspartame).
Also wifi, Calcified pineal glands, particulate matter/airborne toxins-- it's a jungle out there!
I also really enjoy reading people's testimony about being messed with in their dreams or a "dreamscape." Who knows but subconscious psy ops- watch out.

BTW- this one time I was riding the bus home from college and a guy was talking in the seat behind me and said he was going to school for some sort of speech degree having to do with persuasion and even through eavesdropping he sounded compelling. Does anyone know what type of major that would be?

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He was probably getting a degree in Rhetoric, is my guess...

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Aristotle's treatise on rhetoric is an attempt to systematically describe civic rhetoric as a human art or skill (techne). His definition of rhetoric as "the faculty of observing in any given case the available means of persuasion," essentially a mode of discovery, seems to limit the art to the inventional process, and Aristotle heavily emphasizes the logical aspect of this process. But the treatise in fact also discusses not only elements of style and (briefly) delivery, but also emotional appeals (pathos) and characterological appeals (ethos). He thus identifies three steps or "offices" of rhetoric—invention, arrangement, and style—and three different types of rhetorical proof:

* ethos: how the character and credibility of a speaker can influence an audience to consider him/her to be believable.

Today, this is still an effective means of persuading an audience; however, shrewd, critical listeners will note whether the "expert's" actual arguments are as impressive and satisfying as his or her title, to avoid the informal logical fallacy of an Appeal to Authority.

o This could be any position in which the speaker—from being a college professor of the subject, to being an acquaintance of person who experienced the matter in question—knows about the topic.

o For instance, when a magazine claims that An MIT professor predicts that the robotic era is coming in 2050, the use of big-name "MIT" (a world-renowned American university for the advanced research in math, science, and technology) establishes the "strong" credibility.
* pathos: the use of emotional appeals to alter the audience's judgment.
o This can be done through metaphor, amplification, storytelling, or presenting the topic in a way that evokes strong emotions in the audience.
* logos: the use of reasoning, either inductive or deductive, to construct an argument.
o Logos appeals include appeals to statistics, math, logic, and objectivity. For instance, when advertisements claim that their product is 37% more effective than the competition, they are making a logical appeal.
o Inductive reasoning uses examples (historical, mythical, or hypothetical) to draw conclusions.
o Deductive reasoning, or "enthymematic" reasoning, uses generally accepted propositions to derive specific conclusions. The term logic evolved from logos. Aristotle emphasized enthymematic reasoning as central to the process of rhetorical invention, though later rhetorical theorists placed much less emphasis on it.

I knew a Navy Physcoligist(sp), who worked on MK, they were almost in tears, and bursting with anger when i asked..."what did you guys do?"...all this person said was "horrid..absolutly horrid things"

I saw this video and its about the CIA tactics for mind control of our public. watch it here:
www.arrivals.technocrazed.com...

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I don't want to turn your thread into a thread on religion but this is a fine video comparing mind-control of the NWO in religious terms

I am still watching it so I will see if it turns out to be a dud.

www.youtube.com...

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I hesitate to re-hash this, but I am very disturbed that a person would say:



...all in one post. I'm not disturbed by the 'assertions', I am disturbed that an individual exists who actually believes all of these kinds of paranoid allusions. It beggars credulity......

Ed. Oh! Forgot to add....nice job, as always, SD!

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...Hum... I think the "new" Catcher in the Rye is...
All Tomorrow's Parties by William S. Gibson....

"cardboard city" "Boomzilla" "the Bridge" ceramic weapons 3D fax


...I had some 'trouble' in the military years ago... And, when I woke up...

The first thing they asked me was... "Have you ever taken LSD?"


...Am I being too oblique? Probably... (Haw!)

Yeah this operation has been declassified for sometime. I saw a documentary about it on the National Geographic Channel a few months ago. It was very interesting. They discussed the possibility of Sirhan Sirhan as a possible Manchurian Candidate produced by the CIA in the assassination of RFK.

Some more information relating to this and other covert CIA missions can be found here: www.thirdworldtraveler.com...

Also, after I saw that documentary, I was inspired to conduct some further research into the mind-control techniques. I found this YouTube Channel of a subject of these experiments. He describes his experience as horrifying. They played a message to him repeatedly for two weeks saying, "You killed your mother." After he was released, he arrived home to find his mother dead. He remembers himself in a confused state, unable to determine whether he did, in fact, kill her. If interested, please visit his channel: www.youtube.com...

Another though occurred to me with respect to this topic- tapping into the sub-conscious mind, and thus controlling the conscious mind is not only possible, it is extremely effective. Derren Brown is a master of this. In this stunning video (www.youtube.com...) he plays a pre-recorded message every couple minutes in a shopping mall. It says, "Good afternoon ladies and gentleman. Welcome to Palacades mall. We hope your shopping experience is an uplifting arm (he's british, so it sounds like "one") and I'd like to bring to your attention a pair of very special offers today." After about a half-hour of this subtle implantation, he comes on the microphone and repeats that message. He then adds to it:

Details of our offers can be handily by our elevators. So why not come
right on up and see for yourselves. Our special offers will only be
available for a short period of time, so all those customers wishing to
reach up, and grab this exciting opportunity should do so now.

At that moment, everyone located by the escalators in the middle of the mall simultaneous raises one of their arms. They are completely unaware as to the reason for their actions. They seem bewildered by what had just occurred. There is, however, a logical explanation for this. Look at the subtle cues Brown uses. "Uplifting arm", "handily", "right on up", "reach up", "grab." This is incredibly powerful, and advertisers use it all the time. There are some other great videos of Derren Brown exploiting certain triggers to manipulate people. Here are a couple I recommend:

Brown turns the tables on the advertisers:
www.youtube.com...

Brown instantly makes subway passengers forget which stop they are getting off at (the trick in this one is that he asks, "which STOP, THINKING ABOUT IT NOW, are you getting off at?"; hence, they stop thinking about the stop and forget)
www.youtube.com...

If one man is capable of manipulating the minds of hundreds in a matter of a half hour, one can only imagine the possible ramifications of military efforts. Although MK-Ultra may have been dismissed as a failure, there is no doubt in my mind that these experiments have continued since.

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I have to wonder when the government declassifies something, that it's not another Roswell type of excuse for deflection or whatever.

I'd just assume tie these mind control experiments and programs with ET technologies.

If a person was to recall and suggest they've been allegedly part of this program as a victim etc. Then wouldn't their lives be in jepordy?

Why at the time Sirhan Sirhan had allegedly been a manchurian candidate, was he allowed to live? It just doesn't fit. Back then, in those days, they would most likely have commited suicide or been killed.

Even the use or suggestion now as such, to claim an MKULTRA subject, as-if suggests they've done things they might be put away for, regardless.

I mentioned this to my psychiatrist and he brought in an alleged nurse as-if a witness. Then in another session he informs me he used to work for the army VA. I noticed a new cold dark personality change with this guy as well. He had wanted me to switch to a different office he sees patients at and I basically refused for various reasons such as paranoia and the assumption or delusion of an underground UFO base there.

I recall I had first orginally mentioned to him, some bizarre recalled memories such as when I was in outpatient therapy. Missing time, for not just myself, but others in another room. A power failure, black suit security forces in and outside etc. He wanted to know where this was and when. I guess any building like that need security like that when there's a power failure though. ( right)

The next time I saw him, he apparently couldn't think straight or tie his own shoes as-if drugged. I've seen this before and guess I might be reaching a bit, it was afterall a friday. I guess that was why he needed a nurse? IDK.

It's not as-if the CIA has a list of potentially problematic people such as sleepers they don't have any use for anymore.

Wouldn't these be tagged in some way?

I recall someone once saying the phrase: "Death is retirement" ........somewhere.

CIA and or abandoned ET technology program that's possibly now more advanced?