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The good news: 50000 to 200000 new jobs, the bad news ...

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posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 09:31 PM
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Hi folks, here's a in interesting new article I found today whilst perusing the Washington Business Journal:


The $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act is expected to create or save some 3.5 million jobs nationwide over the next two years. And as the government ramps up its army of bureaucrats to help oversee and implement the stimulus, Washington will become ground zero for new jobs, many of which will be filled by people moving here from somewhere else.

How many new government jobs? “Oodles,” said John Palguta, vice president for policy at the Partnership for Public Service, a nonpartisan group that focuses on federal hiring.

According to his organization’s research, the federal government will add some 200,000 new positions to the payroll between now and 2012, about 50,000 related directly to the stimulus. Of those 50,000 new jobs, about 12,500 will be in Washington.

Many of them will be related to oversight within the offices of inspectors general at each agency, he said. wbj

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


So on one hand we have the creation of 200,000 new jobs by 2012 and on the other hand we have a significant "bigening" of the federal government.

We need jobs, no one can argue that.

And for the more liberally inclined I imagine that this news is good news all around.

But the more conservative inclined this seems to present an intellectual dilemma ...

Which is a higher priority?

Job growth or government contraction?




posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 09:45 PM
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Just what we need, a bunch of worthless government jobs. Nothing like getting rich sucking off the teat of that is DC.

And just how many is in an "oodle", John Palguta?



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 10:44 PM
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Oodle?

Nice choice of words haha, that's all we need more oversight.....

Have they even found a friend to come work with Geithner yet?

Fill the jobs already open guys, then work on expanding.



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 10:46 PM
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So it is your opinion then that any government job is a bad job?

Even with the current unemployment rate and forecast?



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 10:51 PM
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Pretty soon we will all be working for the Government anyway..

When the dust settles and all the money the Government is pouring into the private sector comes due, we will discover that the Federal Government owns or controls most of the country. A few more years, a reelection of this administration, and the current powers that be will have achieved their goal.

A Socialist America

At least I had 50 years of freedom

Semper



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 10:53 PM
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Well if socialism it shall be, then it might as well be for everyone.

This socialism for the rich thing isn't working for me.



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 11:07 PM
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Socialism in America is not going to fly without serious civil and social reverberations and unrest.



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 11:18 PM
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so all those 200,000 jobs are all governemnt jobs? is that right? if so, that sucks.. what abuot creating new busnesses, and putting peoplet o work..honestly, these governemnt jobs, are all college and advanced educational lelves,..many people dont have that..so to me, this seems for the select few..not the many. How abuot the tent people out in CA, hos does this help them?



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 12:25 AM
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I say that everyone on ATS apply for those jobs! It's one way to get a foothold in Washington!! The closer we are...the louder our voices!



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
This socialism for the rich thing isn't working for me.




Did it ever occur to you that those "rich" people worked their butts off to get what they have, at least most of them?

Some made it by "risking" everything on the market and got lucky...

Everyone in this country has the same opportunity to work hard and be successful; it is a shame that some wont, but we all have that same opportunity.

What this Administration is trying to do is nothing but a page right out of the Socialist Handbook.. Make us all even and working for the Government

Welcome to our country Comrades

Semper



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
Did it ever occur to you that those "rich" people worked their butts off to get what they have, at least most of them?


Some people did, some people didn't, there are many ways to become rich, working hard, being smart, having fortune go one's way, are but a few of them.

And I am in no way advocating socialism.

What I am saying however is that if the middle class is going to get taxed to death and pay to bail out the wealthy it is only just that they have access to some relief as well.

I am very pro free market, but let everyone have the same opportunity to fail as they do to succeed.

Having said that, it is not precisely what the OP is about.

So if I may ask you in a more direct way ...

Are conservative principles on the size of the federal government elastic enough to allow for latitude in our present unemployment situation or is the creation of these 200,000 jobs a greater harm to America simply because they governmental in nature?



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 12:52 AM
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Are conservative principles on the size of the federal government elastic enough to allow for latitude in our present unemployment situation or is the creation of these 200,000 jobs a greater harm to America simply because they governmental in nature?


Way way more harm than good...

If the Administration would put the money they are using to advance the Socialist agenda into cutting taxes for businesses and individuals, thus stimulating the economy, we would all be better off and you would see the job market rebound as it did under Bush...

You can't control the market, you can only effect it by stimulation or suffocation.. Russia found this out as has China more recently...

The Admin needs to be helping create the jobs in the private sector.. Easy enough to do.. Lower taxes, give new business incentives, give breaks to companies that hire new employees etc... This would all work...

Remember that we are not on the gold standard anymore.. Where do you think Obama is getting the hard cash to pay for these government jobs?

He is printing it...

That is the single worst mistake and has been shown historically to push us into recession and massive inflation...

He needs to, at this current time, stop concentrating so much on the Global Warming, Mandatory Conscription and Health Care debacles and use his time working on this failing economy.. It would also be nice if he stopped using my money for his parties..


Semper



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Socialism in America is not going to fly without serious civil and social reverberations and unrest.


Funny thing about this thing we call DEMOCRACY is that majority is capable of making changes that some (minority) might not like...

If people of USA want socialism (not that I personally see that they do) why would those in minority disrespect that ?

Is democracy only valid when minority is fully satisfied with what majority decides to do ? Does minority actually exist then at all ?

I'm not gonna tell you that If you do not like it you can always leave as I was told many times when I disagreed with some things previous administration did, but I will tell you this, even though I disagreed with things they did I had a RESPECT for previous administration and president Bush because they were chosen by majority (therefore respect for those who chose them, A.K.A. American people)



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 04:22 PM
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Interesting thing happened today ...

I sent the article from the OP to an acquaintance of mine here in DC who's been looking for a job for a few months since he was let go as part of the Fannie Mae debacle. He's married with no kids, but he did lose his house to foreclosure a couple of months ago and his wife and he are presently living at her parents' finished basement.

He is a conservative, though not to the extreme, and he seems to have no problem applying for one of these jobs when they become available.

I suppose sometimes circumstances cannot afford idealism.



posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 04:29 PM
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Keep saying he will bring more gang stalkers to americas streets. America needs 100 million gang stalkers.

I wonder what percentage of american population will one day, work for the government.




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