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All Private school teachers must be certified. In most cases Private schools will tend to hire people with more advanced degrees, then people with just an education degree. Like a Private school hiring a Spanish Teacher, the Private will go after a person with a Spanish degree and not recycle your teachers like a lot of Public schools do.
Many Private schools and I mean many devote and even create there own centers for children with learning disabilities. If your child has dyslexia, a private school may take your child during recess and help them to learn to read better. ADD is also taken in consideration. Wheelchair bound kids are taken into consideration, elevators and ramps are created for him. Private schools do not sit on their butts and watch them struggle they help.
Many people assume that students enrolled in private schools perform better academically than do students attending public schools. The Center on Education Policy (CEP), however, disagrees. According to a new CEP study released this week, private school students and public school students perform equally on achievement tests in math, reading, science, and history.
Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology. It is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned.
Sheltering us seemed to be the priority.
Times are changing, and the school system in this country needs to reflect those changes in order for the children in the US to be able to compete in a global job market.
Public schools, due to tax dollar funding, are more able to do this than private schools.
More like protecting you was the Private Schools priority.
Private schools are keeping up and in some aspects are well ahead pf Public schools.
This debate is not about the lack of God's presence in the public school system.
Public school teachers are state certified
Parents are becoming more and more concerned when it comes to the decision of where to send their children to school. This is good, because it means that parents are paying more attention to their kids and what they are learning. The needs of the child must always come first, but in this day and age, unless the private school is the closest school and public school is too far away, public schools have much more going for them all around.
Protecting me shouldn't have been their priority.
as 558 Midwestern middle school children revealed that 80% of young teen behavior included “physical aggression, social ridicule, teasing, name-calling and issuing threats within the previous 30 days.”
So Protection is not important?
Not offering an alternative view is not only wrong, but leads the children to closed mindness. Schools are supposed to open the mind of the children. Private schools offer two views: "science" and "religion" which allows the child to be open minded.
Public schools are not free of exams.
"There is no significant difference in rankings of colleges where students were admitted based on public versus private high school attendance," Jewler concludes.
* No special education classes available, Private schools allow for Dyslexia classes, tutoring and other neccessites for students.
Because public schools have a responsibility to teach all students, public schools often have in place special programs for children with special needs (whether it is academically or mentally). Private schools, while they may have special programs for gifted students, will rarely have programs for children with special needs unless that is what the private school specializes in. There are also other kinds of special programs, for example, ones that specialize in the arts. Military, boarding, and single-sex programs are usually only found in a private setting.
There is nothing inherently wrong with the public school system in this country. It all comes down to what parents feel is best for their children and their particular situation. Public schools have more to offer because they receive a stable stream of funds year after year and have to adhere to strict standards for teachers and curriculum.
According to a new Manhattan Institute for Policy Research study funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, only 32 percent of recent high school graduates were qualified to attend a four-year college. In addition, the report showed that the high school graduation rate remains depressingly low at only 70 percent.
According to the most recent academic comparison study by the Program for International Student Assessment, of students in 32 developed countries, 14 countries score higher than the U.S. in reading, 13 have better results in science, and 17 score above America in mathematics.
But for just about a third of all high school students in this country, summer brings no respite from the failure of our public education system. Those students have already dropped out of high school, and they have left behind nearly all hope of furthering their education and assuring individual prosperity.
The failure is not theirs alone, and we all bear responsibility for failing an entire generation of students in our public school system.
Their is something inherntly wrong with Public Schools, its pretty simple to figure out. Who owns public schools? The Government. Hence Public schools are in reality Government School.
What the Public Schools are doing and what they continue to do, they are held to NO ACCOUNTABILITY.
The taxpayers own public schools.
The so-called "public” school system does not belong to the public; it is owned and run by the government.
In truth, the state, the school, the teachers, and the district School Boards are responsible for setting the curriculum for the public school system. Parents have ample opportunity to make their voices heard to these entities, and these entities are responsive to the concerns of the parents.
There is plenty of accountability, and it starts with the parents. If the parents are not involved, how is that the problem of the school system?
This debate was not about public school safety.
This debate was not about indoctrination in public schools.
This debate was not about God and the lack of his presence in the public school system.
Students do better in private schools, according to common wisdom – and some well-regarded data now more than two decades old.
This was a most difficult debate to judge.
I have to give it to TheMythLives, but just barely.
It seemed that TheMythLives had a handle on the pros and cons of the subject just slightly better than skeptic1. It was so close I had a difficult time deciding who won this debate.
Using the Columbine massacre was a brilliant tactic for TheMythLives's argument and in the end sceptic1 could not mount an adequate defense for it.
Skeptic used the qualification tactic beautifully but in the end could not compete with the security aspect of the debate.
This was most difficult to judge but in my opinion TheMythLives squeezed out a win here.
WOW!!! This debate was a blast to read! Talk about keeping me on the edge of my seat all the way through!! This one did it!
I would just like to say how pleased I was to read this debate, and that I'm really looking forward to more. Anyway, here's the ruling.
Good job on the introduction! You make several good points about public schools, and do indeed begin to illustrate how they are better than private schools. (+1)
You state that teachers don’t have to be state certified to work at a private school. A reference here would have helped greatly to aid you. A word of advice here, if I may. Always, and I mean ALWAYS use references if/whenever you can. It will help you to establish your argument that much faster.
Very well stated post here!!! This post refutes some of your opponent’s arguments, as well as goes that extra mile to build up your own. VERY well done!! Also, good use of sources, besides the missing one mentioned above. (+1)
You make some pretty good points in this post, which help to substantiate your argument. Again though, some sourcing would have helped to establish this a bit more firmly. (0)
Good use of sources here. You engaged your opponent’s argument head on, and started refuting points left and right. You also brought the focus of this debate back onto the topic! Well done!! (+1)
Fantastic closing! You wrapped up your argument by reflecting on what your objectives were, and went about pointing out what you had accomplished throughout the debate. Well done!! (+1)
Well done for an intro!! You’ve made one heck of a case for the private school system, and I, for one, am looking forward to seeing how this argument progresses. (+1)
You state that public schools “indoctrinate” their students by not teaching all sides of an argument, yet you state that private schools don’t do this, as they teach both sides equally. Isn’t it possible though that they lean towards one side more than the other, and by that train of thought, they are involved in the very same activity? Just a thought. Good post though. Develops your argument a bit more. (+1)
To be fair, the comment that you made about how if it doesn’t cost anything, that it’s somehow inferior, in relation to the public school system, I find to be a little misinformed. Public education isn’t just botched together to “just get by”. They put a great deal of thought into the curriculum for these students, as they are genuinely interested in their welfare. This comment just seemed like an attempt to discredit the public school system with speculative information. A reference would have been helpful.
Good point about how public schools aren’t devoid of entrance/proficiency exams.
After your list of all of the victims of the Columbine massacre, you mention the following:
Many people are ticking time bombs, keep them diverse and NO ONE will see what terror is coming.
Are you now suggesting that we segregate our children from one another to prevent this from happening again? Personally, I think that better parenting would have gone a long way to stopping this behavior, but that’s a debate all its own. The point here is that this point doesn’t seem to help you any, as there is no reason why an event very similar couldn’t happen at any private institution, God Forbid that ever happen. I understand the safety concept, but I’m not sure about the motive behind this particular point being made.
After sourcing a site that talks about how 80% of students polled talk about how aggression is permeating the group, you state that this doesn’t happen in private schools, yet fail to provide a source to back up your statement. Where’s the proof to back up the claim? (-1)
Under your politics heading, you say that public schools continue to get funding whether there are students there or not. While this is true, if enough students leave, the state can no longer keep all of the teachers on the payroll, and will have to lay some off. If enough are laid off, then the school may shut down. So, pulling kids out of public schools is just as beneficial as it would be in a private school. True, it may not net the same impact immediately, but over time, it’ll be noticed, as other parents do the same.
And as for them being able to just go to another school; that’s not insured, as they may not have a school in the area that has an available spot to fill. It’s not like if a teacher in a public school gets fired from one place, that they immediately have another place to go to. It just doesn’t work that way.
GREAT reference to the school stats!! (+1)
Good rebuttal on the school ownership point!!
Indoctrination can happen in BOTH schools. One is no more or less susceptible to it than the other. (+1)
You guys both did a heck of a job on this, and should BOTH be commended for a job well done!!!! If there was any one thing that I could say that you needed to improve upon it would be to focus on source material. It's extremely important to the argument!
CONGRATS skeptic1 on a hard-won victory!
Challenge Match: skeptic1 vs TheMythLives: "Public or Private? You're Being Schooled"
Both opponents started off in an excellent manner. Both presented their case well and gave us an idea where they were going in the debate. Classic…
Skeptic’s initial mix of “real life” experience and statistical data gave an early lead and really started off running.
However when TheMythLives brought in the conspiracy angleand
Especially those people in power, in true ATS style, he countered skeptic’s post quite nicely.
Public School Indoctrination
From that point on it went kind of down hill for skeptic1.
TheMythLives brought into play the aspect of safety in the public school system and took control of the debate. Skeptic1 never fully recovered from this and was playing “catch up” and defending the entire rest of the debate.
I give the win quite easily to ‘TheMythLives”