Mystery UCAV/UAV over Afghanistan, page 1
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reply posted on 10-4-2009 @ 09:43 AM by Zaphod58
reply to post by Mike_A



Predator C is a jet powered Predator. From what I've heard, it's almost identical to the other models, using a small jet engine. I don't think they'd use the "C" designation if it was a radical redesign.

The only changes I've heard of to the Predator C are the jet engine, and new wing for the higher speeds.

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reply posted on 10-4-2009 @ 09:49 AM by Zaphod58
reply to post by Gawdzilla



Flying from a US airbase? It was seen on the ground and taking off from a US airbase, so somehow I don't think it's Iranian.


reply posted on 10-4-2009 @ 10:01 AM by Gawdzilla
reply to post by Zaphod58



Not when the pictures were taken, true. However . . .



reply posted on 10-4-2009 @ 11:08 AM by Mike_A
reply to post by Zaphod58



I'd heard that the changes were much more extensive, I wouldn't be that surprised if that was the original intention but things crept. Especially given its unusual gestation period.

Admittedly it’s the least likely possibility but I’m keeping it in mind.

Edit - Bill Sweetman has suggested that it could possibly be a development of BAE's Corax. I doubt that though, I'm not sure where they'd find the funds.

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reply posted on 11-4-2009 @ 01:05 AM by FredT
reply to post by Zaphod58



Yeah the Predator C looks like the other airframes. Based on the description its not that.

The Dark Star Tier III Minus IMHO went black and this may be a follow on.


reply posted on 11-4-2009 @ 01:40 AM by Zaphod58
reply to post by FredT



I thought that maybe this was the follow on to DarkStar, but the description that came out over Iraq was that it looked like the Tier III Minus but bigger. The wing shape of the DarkStar is all wrong

Interesting......

I just read the press release about the loss of the P-175. When asked if there was interest from a customer the briefer replied "Yes. I can't go into any details but there is interest."

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reply posted on 11-4-2009 @ 11:54 AM by FredT
reply to post by Shadowhawk



www.paglen.com...

Unit patches for the Prowler.

Not wanting to disagree with you but the 5 stars plus 1 on both patches usually indicate Groom lake testing

Look at the bottom of the above link. It shows a patch for a Big Safari porgram UAV called Avis???

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reply posted on 11-4-2009 @ 12:22 PM by ajsr71
reply to post by FredT



AVIS IN SPECULIS Translates to "UPON OBSERVATION"



reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 10:27 PM by satcom
There have been rumors floating around for awhile. Some of the first were back in 2003
Mystery UAV in IRAQ

Basically it was a follow on/redesign to Darkstar. So maybe this is what was seen in Afghanistan. It seems Lockheed was tapped very early on (late 90's) to produce some basic LO UAVs. While Northrop was knocking out some aquisitions (Ryan Aero and TRW) during that time to get their feet wet with UAVs and pretty much lock up the White World UAV Market( G-Hawk, UCAS, FireScout, and Hunter. All the meanwhile Leading systems had the CIA/DARPA satisfied with the GNAT system which later morphed into Predator as we know it.

Rumors abound that Boeing Bird of prey design found itself into a unmanned demonstrator too. There is so much not to talk about too.


reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 10:34 PM by Zaphod58
reply to post by satcom



I thought about that, but didn't that UAV have the perfectly straight wing like DarkStar did? I thought from the descriptions that it looked just like the DarkStar only bigger.


reply posted on 13-4-2009 @ 07:05 AM by Zaphod58
reply to post by waynos



In my opinion Madgreebo lost a LOT of credibility when he went nuts on everyone over his SR-71 debacle thread. He took kind of a beating in that thread because of his attitude. I'm not sure if it's the same thing though. I looked at his picture again, and the chase plane looks a LOT like a T-38 or an F-16. I really can't see what an in service UAV (and it was a big one) would be doing with a chase plane, heading into theater.

They're not the same aircraft either way though. The one he posted looked like a B-2 with a single sawtooth in the back, like the early B-2 design. The one that they're talking about here doesn't have any protrusions in the back.
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