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posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 02:37 PM
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I just hate to see the BS go unnoticed BUT the article is in "the Canadian Free Press: a conservative free press"

The article is "by Second Ammendment Foundation" (SAF)

The first quote in the headline is: "SAF: The Gloves Are OFF"

The second or main headline reads:
"Pelosi: We want registration; Holder: 2A won’t stand in our way"

So who said what and what are the facts?

Pelosi said in February in "The Hill" article entitled Pelosi throws cold water on weapons ban



“On that score, I think we need to enforce the laws we have right now,”

In the same article the author, Mike Soraghan, also reported:


Attorney General Eric Holder raised the prospect Wednesday that the administration would push to bring back the ban. But Pelosi (D-Calif.) indicated on Thursday that he never talked to her. The Speaker gave a flat “no” when asked if she had talked to administration officials about the ban.


The actual transcript from the Katie Couric interview with Eric Holder is right here.

The interview is a bit too long to quote the whole transcript but a couple of relevant exchanges are as follows:



Couric: Well, it's been reported that democrats on Capitol Hill are getting increasingly chummy with the NRA and receiving more campaign contribution from that organization than in previous years. And nobody wants to get the NRA riled up. So has this become political at all?

Holder: No, I don't think it has. In fact, I look forward to working with the NRA to come up with ways in which we can use common sense approaches to reduce the level of violence that we see - in our streets, and make the American people as safe as they possibly can be.




Couric: But why not reinstate the assault weapons ban? Why do you think that's a bad idea? Fifty-four percent of Americans support that.

Holder: Well, I - as attorney general, I've gotta use the tools that I have right now. And the tools that I have that have recently - have been enhanced by - the recovery act, we have additional police officers that we're gonna be putting on the streets. We have additional monies we're going to be giving to our state - and local partners. We've reinvigorated the - the relationship we have with our state and local partners. Have to use those tools right now to try to do all that I can to keep the American people safe right now



If you will notice it appears that the media is pushing on the subject of an assault weapons ban. If you read more in that section of the interview Katie Couric seems incredulous that the Obama Administration and the Congress are not going to push through an assault weapons ban or even modify the second amendment. It is all there in the interview.

As for Holder's reported statement along the lines of 2A won't stand in our way

Here is the Washington Post report on that meeting in Mexico:



Mexican officials, including Medina, have blamed loose U.S. gun-control laws for the weapons smuggled south, and he has repeatedly called on the United States to pass a ban on assault weapons.

Holder agreed that the "vast majority" of weapons used by the cartels come from north of the border.

"This is a reality we have to face in the United States," Holder said, adding that the United States is not seeking to change any of its gun laws to slow weapons smuggling. "I don't think our Second Amendment will stand in the way of what we have begun," Holder said.


So we see the Washington Post reports that Medina, a Mexican official, has repeatedly called on the United States to pass a ban on assault weapons.

There is dispute about the number of weapons coming from where and I would still like to see cold hard facts on that instead of claims that we can't sell grenades in gun shops in the US therefore it ain't us.

The Washington Post also goes on to report that Holder is NOT seeking to change ANY gun laws to slow the flow (how ever big or large it is) of guns to the south. Holders next statement


"I don't think our Second Amendment will stand in the way of what we have begun,"

can be in any way construed to suggest that Holder, Pelosi or the Obama Admin are going to destroy the second amendment. There are already laws on the books that need to be enforced and that have not been enforced in the past.

But wait, there is one thing I haven't addressed fully and that goes back to the title of the thread and source of the OP and that is this phrase "Pelosi: We want registration".

This was taken from a interview between Robin Roberts (ABC) and Pelosi on April 7, 2009.



ROBERTS: Under the Bush administration, you pretty much said the ball was in their court when it came to reinstating the ban. Now, it's a Democratic President, a Democratic House. So, is the ball in your court where this is concerned?

PELOSI: Yes, it is. And we are just going to have to work together to come to some resolution because the court, in the meantime, in recent months, the Supreme Court has ruled in a very- in a direction that gives more opportunity for people to have guns. We never denied that right. We don't want to take their guns away. We want them registered. We don't want them crossing state lines as this legislation would do in the District of Columbia. We wouldn't tell any other state what to do. But Congress wants to tell the District of Columbia. So, in any event, there's tremendous work ahead on this. And we have to rid the debate of the misconceptions that people have about what gun safety means.



"We wouldn't tell any other state what to do". - Pelosi

There you have it, the bias of the original article is exposed as is the bias of the interviewers Katie Couric and Robin Roberts. Couric and Roberts while supposedly reporting are behaving as advocates for the gun control which we all fear. Odd isn't it that our elected officials have to reign them in and clarify that they are not trying to change the second ammendment. Our elected officials are closer to representing our views on this matter than our mega corporate press is. Actually that kind of makes sense.

*MODS* LONG QUOTES keep context of words that are subject of thread. SORRY




posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 02:39 PM
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Greetings ......you may be right.....Not to bore you with a little history....Foreign entities were more than willing to supply weapons to those who needed them so as to facilitate our civil war...


What am I missing?

How does this have anything to do with what I wrote?

You got three stars there for something that makes no sense in connection with my post - or was the *reply to Silo* maybe not meant for me?




posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 02:47 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 03:23 PM
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reply to Peloise statement:

Here is how stupid her remarks really are:
First of all there is no country in the world that has more talent, creativity, or as innovative as Americans, after all donot forget who invented the Atomic Bomb, The Microwave oven, the copy-machine and a host of other great inventions that are too numerous to mention here.

Take the guns away and groups of people new, old and some not met yet, will band together and bring forth weapons that make an assault weapon look like a pea shooter in comparison.
What am I talking about?.....How about the Amateur Rocket clubs all over the U.S., some of which I know have Infraed guidence -laser pulse homing technology, EMP cannons that can knock out any Tank or flying aircraft, High powered lasers to blind the enemy,and home made explosives that make Tim Mcvey's OK. explosion look like a fire-cracker. SO.............Ya,Pelosie take our guns away an force us to go to the big stuff- I am not talking about what our military has in their bag of tricks, I am talking about the underground technology that is there it has always been there and it will always be there and there is nothing you can do to squash all of it. God Bless America!

[edit on 10-4-2009 by kissmygrits]



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 03:58 PM
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i live in Canada -and your telling me that the great usa is afraid that its guns are being sold to Mexico -that's a good laugh. considering that many cities in the usa held the title for most deaths through crime for years -they were called the murder capitals of the world .if i was the leader of this great nation id be quite happy that these weapons were no longer in my nation killing my citizens,but on the other hand id be afraid that i would be arming another nation against my people,considering that the people of Mexico are already over running your borders looking for work that pays more that a few pesos.
the only problem with gun control is that only the legal guns get registered not those in the hands of criminals.here in the great white north this crap was pulled and it has cost us a few billion dollars and it has done nothing to stop CRIME.the only thing it did was it gave the government a new form of taxation with out any representation.all because of a few screaming little mimmies, and our chick crap police .there was one problem with this system of theirs over 1 million guns were not registered and they the man know it so they came up with the great idea that you needed a card to buy ammo just so that you were forced to show your selves to the man.
now the man has come up with the idea of turning in a gun for an i pod to as they say take these weapons off the street, bah humbug the only weapons they are getting are the ones that someones husband brought back from the war or those that were left after the man of the house died.
now the man has a list of all those who have weapons if they so decide to take all weapons off of you the people they won`t have far to look for them now would they.so when they come for your guns what are you going to say or do as they will come in force,is your family going to survive .
mabe it is time to force a certain politician and it`s cronies out of office for the betterment of your RIGHTS.



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by News And History
Pelosi doesn't care about common-laws. She's just another shill for the money-masters & their cronies in government agencies. We're not slaves. We must use guns to protect us from those, who want us enslave us.


The entire administration, and that goes for people on both parties, but more so in the Democratic Party don't give a rat's butt about people's rights, and more so our Second Amendment Right.

The American people should have understood this when Emmanuel Rham, and Clinton among others stated that they "cannot allow a good crisis go to waste, because now they can do things that never before would have been possible", and other remarks such as Clinton claiming to the Chinese, and to the entire world that "no Human Right is more important than any of the made up crisis they can come up with"..

The American people should have understood what they meant with these remarks, or at least people should have demanded Clinton, and Rahm to start reading the Constitution, and the Bills of Rights before getting into office. Then again, if they do start reading these documents they will only work harder to destroy these documents.

The Obama camp has also made it clear that they are going after our weapons, even in the assault weapons ban they have been introducing in the House, and which I am not sure if it has passed yet, other weapons which include shotguns and certain pistols are being made a target for these people to ban.

Their main goal as they have stated seveal times in the past is to ban ALL firearms, not just some. If we allow some to be banned, they won, because they will continue finding excuses, just like the British, and Australian politicians, among others have done to ban all firearms in their countries.

These people are going after every one of our rights. They should be made to resign right now for the comments they have made.

And then you have even some members in these forums claiming the present administration, and their allies have never said they are going after our Second Amendment, or any other rights....


Obviously these people are either too blind to understand the statements being made by the present Democrat administration, or who knows what else could be the rason for these people trying to dimiss the statements made by these politicians, that want to take away our rights, and want a "New Declaration of independence", and don't want any of the rights given to us by our forefathers to stand in the way.




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posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 04:18 PM
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Another shining example of the PTB knowing what's best for the citizen...Pelosi needs to go immediately...IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH!!!

Here's one...I am from Massachusetts...while in Lexington (the birthplace of American Freedom!!!), I overheard a "swarthy foreign imbecile" explain the Minuteman statue as "just another white man with a gun"...comments like this make me want to see ARMED AMERICAN TROOPS at the border, turning idiots like this away. I own a nice M4 carbine (fixed stock) and a nice M9 Beretta...COME AND GET 'EM, NANCY!!!!



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 05:20 PM
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Amazing, the power of the press to whip people into a frenzy over their interpretation of separate events. I submit that the SAF- Second Amendment Foundation is looking for more donations.

Still the sheep get whipped up. The sky is not falling but the press and the owners of the press would have you believe that.

Robin Roberts and Katie Couric: Liberal media?

baahhhhh



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
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My state will never agree with that and that is something that I am grateful for.
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Marg, can you not understand already what is happening?

This is the reason why Americans have been slowly indoctrinated into believing the United States is a Democracy, when it is a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC.

These politicians, and TPTB which include the present administration will make it look like we Americans agreed to give out these same freedoms, and rights which were given by the forefathers to ALL generations of Americans.

There are dictatorships which claim that the people are still voting the people in power, when this is not true.

This is what has been happening in countries like Cuba. People "supposedly" can vote, but the system is rigged so that the power stays for the same dictatorship that has been in power for 50 years.

This administration, and politicians like Pelosi have a portion of Americans in their pockets, and will make it look like We, the American people voted to give out these unalienable rights, and to erase, or rewrite those documents which are the foundation of this nation.

These rights which were given to us by our forefathers will be taken away in the name of "DEMOCRACY", when this nation has always been a REPUBLIC.

None of the documents which describe the soul of this nation state that anyone, not politicians, nor even the mayority of the people should take away the rights given to All Americans.

But this is exactly how most Americans have been indoctrinated into believing this is a Democracy, and in it's name, like has happened in several countries, a dictatorship can be implemented in the name of The People.



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posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 05:54 PM
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Jesus christ

I want one of you to U2U me when someone has ACTUALLY taken your guns.

I have spent time in TJ and Mexicali

Its a big business exporting US fire arms down south - When is the last time you were stopped going into Mexico????

Anyone?

Do you KNOW how bad it is on the border???

This is pot stirring

once again anyone - ANYONE please OP a thread when 1 single gun is taken from you via the GOV - U2U me as well

I will film myself eating something nasty, provided you can prove it.

The crime in Mexico - propelled by marijuana, corruption and US firearms destabilizes the PESO. Those folks come hear as a result and what do they do???

The root of the problem is POT - To control the market you need guns and money - earned with sales of pot and other things.

ONE of the principle parts of the EQUATION is GUNS

Any discussion on the subject of guns and addressing problem surrounding them is not the same as TAKING AWAY YOUR GUNS.

If SO PROVE IT?



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 05:58 PM
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Something stinks about this whole thing. I can't put my finger on it, but it is weird.

Somehow I am thinking that getting the US public to purchase lots of firearms is part of their plan.

I have no ideas why they would want lots of guns in the hands of the public while at the same time reporting that the US is flooding Mexico wit firearms. Add this to the usual anti-gun clique openly saying that they do not want to re-instate the assault weapons ban. Lastly, money is being spent on advertising an agenda that having a gun will not protect you from violence on ABC.

This is very strange if not fricken schizophrenic.

What am I missing here?

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posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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Democrats in Washington just want to control and "Regulate" everything under the sun. At least that's what liberal politics has become. It used to be that Reps were the party of civil liberties, small government, and business, and the democrats used to be the party of civil liberties and the little people.

Now they're all a bunch of socialists and fascists...What the hell happened?
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Because the Republican party has also slowly been corrupted.

For the most part, even though from time to time they do stand for the people, as for example the Republican party, for the most part, fighting in favour of our Second Amendment, the Republican party has also been corrupted, and people who are not real Republicans have been infiltrating this party also to help the dissolusion of the Republic.

The Republican party was ALWAYS supposed to represent the people, even the LITTLE people, and our forefathers declared that all states should guarantee a REPUBLICAN form of government, because REAL Republicans are advocates of the Republic, and are supposed to represent the people.

But the system has been created in a way to separate the people, and create discord.

All Americans should see themselves as Real Republicans which means they advocate the Republic, and are against any form of dictatorship.




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posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by xman_in_blackx
Something stinks about this whole thing. I can't put my finger on it, but it is weird.

Somehow I am thinking that getting the US public to purchase lots of firearms is part of their plan.
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Because they do want for riots to start occurring, and for the people to even fight against each other. As an excuse for the riots, and violence which will happen sooner or later, the President of the United States, and the entire administration will ask for help from other countries, including the UN, and their troops. Those are the troops that will have no remorse whatsoever for the American people.

Don't you find extremely strange, that President Obama has said he would bring our troops home, yet we have been having the largest deployments of troops to go to countries like Iraq, and Afghanistan?

TPTB know that even though there are some American soldiers that will follow their orders to the letter, that for the most part many, if not most American soldiers will not turn against their own people. Hence they are being sent outside the United States, except for a small portion that has probably vowed to do whatever TPTB orders them to do.

In Wyoming, we are having soon the largest deployment of the National Guard, in the state's history, to be deployed to the Middle East, and at least 5 other states are doing the same thing.

TPTB are setting up the steps that will put in checkmate the people of the Republic.

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posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 06:24 PM
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I agree we have a problem with violence in Mexico. I agree that the problem is drug prohibition. I disagree about the gun sales, mostly because arms dealers (including our government) don't discriminate. They will sell to anyone, just like drug dealers. And the problem you describe is MILITARY weapons; machine guns, grenades, rocket launchers - not the sort of thing you normally pick up at a gun show.

Legalize drugs. End the Drug War and you deal a fatal blow to the criminals.



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by The Bald Champion
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Any discussion on the subject of guns and addressing problem surrounding them is not the same as TAKING AWAY YOUR GUNS.

If SO PROVE IT?


Obviously you are too blind to see what is happening...

We are fighting for them not to do these things....

They are trying to implement these laws...

YOU show us without a shadow of a doubt that the problem with Mexican drug lords having FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPONS, has anything to do with law abiding Americans owning, SEMI AUTOMATIC WEAPONS.....

Do you even know the difference?...

Do you know that there is a BLACK MARKET of FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPONS which law abiding Americans are not buying, and they have nothing to do with this?....

Do you understand that the BLACK MARKET of firearms comes from OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES?....

What we are doing is fighting for them not to put more restrictions, or taking away ANY firearms.

If you are an American perhaps you should make yourself more familiar with the Second Amendment...


A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

www.law.cornell.edu...

When the government implements laws restricting ANY firearms, even fully automatic, which most Americans who own firearms do not have, these laws are UnConstitutional.





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posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by The Bald Champion
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ONE of the principle parts of the EQUATION is GUNS

Any discussion on the subject of guns and addressing problem surrounding them is not the same as TAKING AWAY YOUR GUNS.

If SO PROVE IT?


And BTW, in case you didn't know law abiding citizens CANNOT buy, or legally own FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPONS anymore.... That's an infringedment of the Second Amendment....

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posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 07:01 PM
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If a nation expects to be both ignorant and free, it expects what
never was and never will be.
-- President Thomas Jefferson. 1743-1826
and there you have the answer to our problems people in this country choose ignorance.I can talk to my daughter and the minute I mention the cruption in government she tunes me out.She's the typical sheep.As long as me and mine are doing ok ignore the rest.Our elected officals swear an oath to the constitution and any of them that vote against it should be tried for treason and hung whether they are dem or repub.By the time she figures out that she and hers have nomore rights left except the right to do what the government tells them I'm afraid it may be to late.As I see it most of the people in this country are content as long as they have thier two cars and tv in every room.They will remain ignorant as waking up might rock the boat.Just my two cents.



posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 10:36 PM
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I don't know why anyone is surprised by all of this. There was a poll put out today (?) that found that ONLY 53% of americans think capitalism is better than socialism. The socialists in this country have been moving this way for years.
If WE'RE talking about it now, it must be a done deal. We now have a population of 30 and under that think that socialism is better than what we have now.

You want to know where Obamas army is? It's in every college, high school and union across the nation. They are the ones that will roll over like a beaten dog and finally give this country (and its guns) away to the ruling class. After that,

game over.




posted on Apr, 10 2009 @ 11:30 PM
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I used to believe that we had some power. We cant vote on this, writing our representitives hasnt worked.

Here are a few more bills. they are scattered around a bit





posted on Apr, 11 2009 @ 12:56 AM
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The US Constitution (including the 2nd Amendment) does not seem to be much of an impediment for the nanny-statists like Obama or Pelosi. Just look at how they ignore Article I, section 8 and the 10th Amendment. Sadly, even most Congressional Republicans seem to ignore it.

thomas.loc.gov...:H.R.450:





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