The Catholic Church and Freemasonry

I just received my copy of the book, Perefectibilists: The 18th Century Bavarian Order of the Illuminati. The book was written by Terry Melanson. You can find more information about the book at this link: book

As I was reading I came to page 5 and there I read this,

Following are some important dates:

1719 Jesuits expelled from Russia

1728 Freemasons found a lodge in Madrid soon suppressed by the Inquisition

1730 Freemason Lodge in Philadelphia

1731 mass expulsions of Salzburg Protestants

1733 First German Masonic Lodge, Hamburg

1738 Papal Bull In eminenti: Against Freemasonry

the last one caught my attention so I did some searching and found the Papal Bull.


Link to the document: PAPAL BULL


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Interesting thread, but I would like to hear your conclusion, or your thoughts on this matter.

It is well known that the Catholic church is against Freemasonry. I seem to be missing your point.

I am only on page 5 of the book

I found the information to be interesting and I know that there are people on ATS who are more knowledgeable than I am on this subject. I thought I would share the information and see what I can learn from the comments.

In spite of the history and the Papal Bull, it is my understanding that the degrees of Masonry were written by the Jesuits, and when one looks at the symbols of the Vatican, it's got Masonry written all over it.

My conclusion is that the Vatican in Rome is in fact the de facto head of global freemasonry.

Thank you for that information

Might it be possible that Masonic symbols have some basis in Christian symbols, given that Catholicism is much older than Free Masonry? Or maybe both use symbols from older cultures? Or, even more likely, symbols have different meanings based on who is writing them?

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No...

IMHO, OmegaPoint' post, just reveiled,
one of the biggest masonic secret

for you Omegapoint

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Ok, so assuming you are correct why do Masons deny this? Also, why does the Catholic Church speak against Masonry?

I'm also curious why you believe this, but I think that might belong in another thread...idk.

Yeah we are totally excommunicated and have been for hundreds of years.

The Catholic 'version' of Freemasonry is the Knights of Columbus.

Ask one of those guys how the Pope likes us.

Looking back it's easy to see why Masons are soooo secretive...

They were protecting themselves because their teachings were heretical (as far as the catholic church was concerned)

The catholic church killed people who's beliefs didn't mesh with their own. They were responsible for one of, if not the greatest eradication of culture and innocent indigenous peoples ever concieved

The Jews are an exclusive group of God's chosen blood... Outsiders are nothing but "human animals..." Funny that the most racist group ever is the first to cry racism when one of their own is offended

The Muslims believe that everyone should be just like them, or be blown up. They have no respect for women and in truth their greatest enemy is their oppresive leaders, not the Western world.

The christians have been divided, sub-divided and micro-divided into a million seperate sects, each having their own interpretation or point of focus within the Bible. They lie, cheat, steal, and watch Jerry Springer and American Idol, ignore their teachings and think that if they go to church every sunday (though their bible teaches the right day is saturday...?) they will be forgiven and attending church makes them better than anyone else.

Hope I offended someone

And while this post might be seen as being a bit off-topic, I find it to be at least abstractly relevant. The catholic church is being looked into, so lets look at the other judao-christian religions. My next post will be about secret societies and other cults that have anti-judeo-christian values, or so it would seem

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Because hypocrisy, always been #1 Vatican's manipulation strategy.
If you do not understand, the machiavalian strategy, just call GWB,
he will explain it all to you

But why would they need to create a new enemy? There were already plenty available. There has never been a shortage of heretics to attack, especially ones with occult leanings.

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When one sets out to offend, they are unlikely to be heard, and rarely deny ignorance. Good job shutting people down.



On topic, I am facinated by this document...there is a nuiance about it...and I think it reads like fear, (sorry I can't add more than my impression.) Wonder: why do powerful religions fear a secret so deeply...is it because they know they are hidding the truth themselves?

There. Fixed that for you.

Care to list some "symbols of the Vatican" that have "Masonry written all over them"?

Don't get too defensive now..

Obelisks, Court of the Pinecone, Isis Osiris Horus symbolism, Helliocentric symbolism to name a couple things.

Why has no one denied the originating source of the Masonic rites as having Jesuit involvement..?

And yes, of course they play both sides against the middle, it's called a controlled opposition.

What's interesting is that the Masonic inspired founding of the USofA may have been largely motivated by the desire to throw off Vatican influence and control. The Declaration of Independance isn't just about independance from the throne of England, but also the oppressive religious influence of the Roman Church.

But the church is patient and extremely cunning..

But if there is in fact a headship of global freemasonry, it's the Pope, right after the Crown of Prince Charles, and the whole of the aristocratic nobility of Europe, for the most part answer to the Pope one way or another. And the Bankers too, even Israel is under her influence.

The light of freemasonry, it's "logos" is you will, was crafted by the Church.

Note how Masons love to show evidence of the Vatican's opposition to the Lodge/fraternity, and the way that's done, and your reaction, they just make it even MORE obvious.

Yes I think I hit a nerve.

Origins of Freemasonry
www.robertlomas.com...

And then one can look at the history of such people as Johann Adam Weishaupt, a Jesuit, and he comes in at around the same time in history.

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Good thing you included the qualifier 'may' in your statement. Last time I checked, the Colonists were under the direct control and influence of the British Monarchy, thus making them Protestants, there were very few pratictioners of Roman Catholosism in the pre-Revolutionary United States. How do you repress those who do not even recognize your authority? It would be nice if more people actually picked up and read a history book on occasion.

There are no scholars of history who would promote that idea.

Simply put, modern Freemasonry evolved from freethinkers and Deists, and is a product of the Enlightenment, which was decisively anti-Catholic (and even anti-Protestant at points). Freemasonry denies the divine exclusivity of the Roman Church, so it's not surprising that the Roman Church considers Freemasonry an enemy.

The modern Masonic rites, instead of being Jesuit in origin, are actually Hermetic and Qabalistic, both being philosophies considered heretical by Jesuits.

If you take the position that the Roman Empire never really ended, but simply morphed into the Roman Catholic Church, with senators becoming cardinals, then how does history square with that? And in so many areas of history resides the hidden hand of the Jesuits, the military arm of the RCC. So to suggest that masonry is free from it, is I think absurd.

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I don't think it has anything to do with the subject being discussed, namely Freemasons and jesuits.



I think the opposite is absurd. For example, the Jesuits are not now, nor have they ever been, a "military" arm or order. Secondly, they were created for the purpose of helping lead the Counter-Reformation in 1534 on the Continent, Freemasonry already having been established on the British Isles for centuries.

As has been mentioned, Freemasonry denies the spiritual exclusivity of the Roman Catholic Church, which is the exact opposite opinion of the Jesuits, as well as other orders of clerks regular within the church.

One cannot be both a member of the Freemasons and the Society of Jesus. The Roman Catholic Church forbids its members from joining Masonic (and non-Masonic) Lodges.

Well the Pope in Rome is the keeper of the secrets of all the ancient mystery schools.

Just because the RCC outwardly and officially restricts churchgoers from being Masons, does automatically mean that the Vatican is not intimately involved in the entire system of global Freemasonry.