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In US, just 53% favor capitalism: poll

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posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 03:51 PM
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Bad news for those fearful of "creeping socialism" in the United States -- only 53 percent of Americans now believe capitalism is the better system, according to a new poll Thursday.

Fully 20 percent in the Rasmussen Reports survey said that socialism was their preferred economic system -- a startling number that suggests growing disaffection as the "land of the free" fights its worst recession in decades.

Rasmussen said its poll question did not define capitalism or socialism. Twenty-seven percent were not sure which is better.

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This isn't looking too good ... sure 53% is still more then half ... not as high as what i would have liked it to be ... does this mean that around 25% of the U.S. want socialism?

what are your thoughts?




posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 03:53 PM
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I'd say half of those surveyed could not name more than three forms of government rule. I would first like to see the question asked, "do you know the difference between socialism and capitolism?" Then I think this survey would have a little more merit.



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 03:57 PM
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Capitalism is working terrible for me. The State takes 37% off the top right away so I have to charge more. Then we get undocumented people, God love them, undercutting me by half and not paying taxes on what they do earn. I feel like I am spinning my wheels while following rules that people under and over me ignore. Does socialism mean I have to give up my rights?

/rant



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 04:02 PM
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Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equality for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation.[1][2] Modern socialism originated in the late 19th-century intellectual and working class political movement that criticized the effects of industrialization and private ownership on society. Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution, and would represent a transitional stage between the capitalist and communist modes of production.[3][4]

The first socialists were termed utopian socialists by later socialist thinkers, and include Robert Owen, who tried to found socialist factories and other structures within a capitalist society and Henri de Saint Simon, the first individual to coin to term "socialism" and the originator of technocracy and industrial planning. The first socialists predicted a world improved by harnessing technology and combining it with better social organization, and many contemporary socialists share this belief.[5][6] Early socialist thinkers tended to favor more authentic meritocracy, while many modern socialists have a more egalitarian approach. There is disagreement over the extent that National Socialism is socialist; although Adolf Hitler's party program included socialist elements, the Nazis did not nationalize industry, but instead created a highly regulated economy with state-led economic planning.

Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital, creates an unequal society, and does not provide equal opportunities for everyone in society. Therefore socialists advocate the creation of a society in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly based on the amount of work expended in production, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved.



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 04:10 PM
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Hmm so 53% WERE PROBABLY OVER 40 AND LEARNED WHAT CAPITALISM REALLY IS, 27% WHO WERE NOT SURE ARE PROOF OF THE FAILURE OF OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM

Oppps sorry for the caps, not retyping

20% who want socialism are free to move to another country and have it

all in all that means that 80% *probably* do not want socialism and that is a good thing



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 04:16 PM
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This country is not a capitalism country, it's a mix of facism, socialism, and stupidity.

It's sad to say, but I really do wish, something would come along and save us.

I forget who said it, but there should be a test to allow people to vote, so people who understand how the gov't works can vote.

Those ad campaigns, saying it doesn't matter who you vote for just the fact that you vote, well it does matter, ALOT, otherwise it's like having Door one Door two Door three, but you don't know whats behind them, instead of looking to see, you just guess, and feel a false sense of satisfaction.



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 04:28 PM
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It really depends on what questions were asked and how they were worded in order to determine if Americans truly do prefer socialism over capitalism. I would also venture to say that American could believe that because we have never been IN a pure socialist society and really don't know what we're talking about. We've never experienced it.

As a side note, a survey of 1,000 people hardly represents a good sampling of America.



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 04:29 PM
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The real thing here is the fact that the high rate of High School drop outs in the United States automatically negates polls like this.
Try taking a poll someplace where people tend to understand these things more.
Not to brag, but Iowa would be a good place to start as we have a required taking and passing of an American Government class in order to graduate from high school so we churn out more people who understand how the system works.



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 04:32 PM
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Elston makes a good point.

How many of those surveyed actually understood and were knowledgeable about the questions being asked?

I mean there are people out there who believe that there are 57 states.(I know-Cheap shot)



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 04:34 PM
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The telephone survey of 1,000 people was conducted April 6-7, and has an error margin of three percentage points.


Another 1000 person poll. Sorry I'm not buying it.



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 04:34 PM
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and 75% don't know what capitalism is, right?

what we got isn't capitalism!!
that's the first point,

personally, I think either socialism or capitalism would be better than the hybrid we have.....since the hybrid is being used to enrich the rich and financially strangle the rest of us....

but that's just my opinion....



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 04:38 PM
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As some have already pointed out, this poll just confirms the likely ignorance of the respondents concerning the meaning of the terms socialism and capitalism.



What dribble....



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 04:40 PM
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Just means that I should post this thread all over America. Then maybe they would understand better.



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 04:42 PM
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is this so surprising all things considered? The same thing happened as a result of the great depression as well.



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 04:45 PM
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Well, this means that this form of Keynesian economics is failing. It really has nothing to do with socialism. It's just that people have been conditioned to believe that our system has only one alternative.

We've been socialist since Hoover. We have shored up recession after recession on the public balance sheet for 70 years. I'm all for a Resource Based Economy. It is money free and logical...All the more reason it won't happen in my lifetime..But I didn't expect it to anyway.

I think the monetary system is a sham. It is, in fact, the very root cause of our various technical problems. However, if we're going to use a monetary system I'd like to see an intelligent, fair and common sense monetary policy. Otherwise, capitalism won't survive.



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by mandroid
Capitalism is working terrible for me. The State takes 37% off the top right away so I have to charge more. Then we get undocumented people, God love them, undercutting me by half and not paying taxes on what they do earn. I feel like I am spinning my wheels while following rules that people under and over me ignore. Does socialism mean I have to give up my rights?

/rant


That is not capitalism working terrible for you. That is government run amok and taking 37% right off the top and giving you very little in return. If we lived in a trully capitalistic country most of the things government currently wastes money trying to do right, would be privatized or not done at all. I dont think true capitalism covers giving people money when they choose not to work.



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 05:00 PM
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Capitalism?

This is like the idiots who get all huffy when what they've been told is "deregulation" costs them more and messes with quality of services all the while what they're complaining about is PARTIAL deregulation where government restrictions have limited the industries capacity to actually go out and compete to deliver better, faster cheaper. CT has been dealing with this with their energy providers. Everyone in the state is all p.o.'d because costs are going up and the state government is shouting "this is what deregulation gets you. gives us the power back and it'll be better" never reminding the people that the services were only partially deregulated where government restrictions have forced them to charge a certain percentage but blocked them from producing a better method of delivery.

What people are calling "capitalism" regarding the current U.S. is so far from capitalism it isnt even funny.



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
I dont think true capitalism covers giving people money when they choose not to work.


Nope. That would be socialism.



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Capitalism?

This is like the idiots who get all huffy when what they've been told is "deregulation" costs them more and messes with quality of services all the while what they're complaining about is PARTIAL deregulation where government restrictions have limited the industries capacity to actually go out and compete to deliver better, faster cheaper. CT has been dealing with this with their energy providers. Everyone in the state is all p.o.'d because costs are going up and the state government is shouting "this is what deregulation gets you. gives us the power back and it'll be better" never reminding the people that the services were only partially deregulated where government restrictions have forced them to charge a certain percentage but blocked them from producing a better method of delivery.

What people are calling "capitalism" regarding the current U.S. is so far from capitalism it isnt even funny.


True that! Starred.



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by Tentickles

The telephone survey of 1,000 people was conducted April 6-7, and has an error margin of three percentage points.


Another 1000 person poll. Sorry I'm not buying it.


1000 person is pretty standard, their claim of within 3% for polls this size is generally accepted.

The fact it's 1000 isn't a problem.




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