Originally posted by alienarena

Originally posted by almawsil
Finally
Our Martyrs in paradise and yours in hell

Iraqi citizen
Safwan






[edit on 9-4-2009 by almawsil]

Oh please This is exactly the kind of extremist rheteric that I have no patience for.

We are created equal in God's eyes. God created Amercians, Iraqi's, Chinese, Russians, British, etc. We are his children. Do you honestly believe that a father would want his children killing their brothers and sisters or wishing them to hell? Do you want your own son killing your daughter? Think about it.

The Americans will leave your country one day and mark my words that nothing in your life will change unless you quit living with the same belief system and governing methods that brought this hell upon you and will stay with you until the Iraqi people do something about it.

Go ahead and let another Saddam clone take over so the hell can continue.

Go ahead and continue with your religous extremism and watch the entire world come down on you. Did you ever think this may be a punishment from God because you believe you will be rewarded by killing your brothers and sisters?

I hope you "elect" a governing body to represent your wants and needs and if they don't - throw them out.

Did it ever dawn on you to continue to worship god in peace and resist the need to persecute others who don't share your beliefs.

If you could master the two things in the last two paragraphs, I belief the world you live in would change for the better and the future of your children would be secure.

Very well said..I'm afraid that some are so mis-guided by extremism,or should I say blinded that things will never change..You can leed a horse to water but you can make them drink it..
Those out rageous beliefs of killing the infidels are as old as any building in the middle east..After so many generations its just a way of life..
If they wanna earn there 40 virgins,just let them do it over there were its there way of life,not ours..

Whether or not he's currently in Iraq doesn't really matter to me. I actually don't see how it can matter to anyone. The forums are genuine and the posts are presumably made by people in the Mosul area.

Anyway, I don't generally post unless it's about somethign that directly affects me or something that makes me laugh a little, but this thread is just ridiculous.

I did not actually count the number of posts, but I have seen at least 3 that mention that the OP started out friendly, then started "spewing anti-American rhetoric" after the original post.

Am I the only one that noticed that he said he was TRANSLATING AND POSTING WHAT OTHERS ON THAT FORUM WERE SAYING?

It looks like people see anyone arabic and assume they're an evil agent of terror or the amazing Osama that's somehow trying to get us from beyond the grave. I'm not naming names, but some people *not naming names, it's obvious enough who I'm talking about* need to back the **** off and see things for what they really are.

Back to the point, I'll try to simplify for people that don't seem to understand. READ POSTS FULLY before vomiting biased, uneducated crap. Your ignorance serves to do nothing but make you look even worse with each post.

And I'd just like to add one more thing that only partially pertains to this thread, but maybe it will help some of the Limbaugh fans out there understand where these people are coming from (ha yeah).

Picture this: Sometime in the relatively near future. Obongress has passed a series of power grab laws, we are on the brink of martial law. Unemployment has shattered all previous records, people are starving in the streets, others are starting to disappear from their homes after speaking out against the government.

At the same time, Obama is making alot of threats and generally upsetting the rest of the world. Some other entity comes in (China, Russia, EU.... Someone who could actually put up a fight.)

Somehow, they break our defences, shatter our military and destroy whole portions of our infrastructure. Sure, we're grateful for their help doing what we as a people could not bring ourselves to do, but was that much destruction really necessary?

At the same time, we also realize that although they say they're just staying for a bit, they seem very interested in one or more of our natural resources. All of a sudden, they're not just there to remove a regime, they keep finding excuses to stay longer and longer, all the while protecting the resources that rightfully belong to us.

That's not to mention all of the horrible stories that are coming out about things happening to fellow Americans while under the occupation of this invading force.

At this point any real American is going to stand up for what's right and stand up for what his (or her) country is supposed to represent. Would you sit by and let these invading forces take advantage of their position? Would you calmly ignore the fact that your neighbor was raided and his family taken because they may be insurgents?

I'm not saying that all of the insurgents are fine in doing what they are. I'm sure a majority have ulterior motives, and I have to say suicide bombing innocents is probably one of the top 3 most cowardly things someone can do.

I am however saying that at some point, for one reason or another, people are inevitably going to get sick of foreigners controlling their day to day lives and rise up. And in some cases, they have every right to do so.

Anyway, whatever, I'm done. Let the flaming begin.

Oh, and seeing as our gov't is historically one of the largest sponsors of terrorist activities, in before "terrorist sympathizer" comments.

Originally posted by Magnivea
Whether or not he's currently in Iraq doesn't really matter to me. I actually don't see how it can matter to anyone.

It goes to his honesty. This guy claims to be broadcasting from MOSUL CITY. If he is .. fine. But many of us find it hard to believe. This could easily be verified or debunked by the mods who can see IPs.

Am I the only one that noticed that he said he was TRANSLATING AND POSTING WHAT OTHERS ON THAT FORUM WERE SAYING?

On the first page of this mess I stated that those who were coming forward - hat in hand - were just useful tools for this guy because he was taking their words elsewhere.

It looks like people see anyone arabic and assume they're an evil agent of terror ...

Obviously you haven't been around very much or you'd know that isn't true ... and you haven't read this guys work carefully. You call others to read it. I suggest you do the same.

He starts out with the typical friendly 'peace be upon you' and quickly slides down into the typical hate rhetoric. He refuses to acknowledge the evil that took place in Iraq under Saddam. He just spews the typical anti-American rhetoric.

Looks like he's just trolling the board looking for sound bites to take to an anti-American forum elsewhere.

Originally posted by Djarums
almawsil ... [snip] ... (your thread title itself claims you're currently in Mosul Iraq) so we're just wondering... are you there now?

Wanna answer Djarums question almawsil ...

Djarums .... you can see his IP ... where's he REALLY broadcasting from?

I'm a soldier on my 2nd deployment to Iraq. I'm up north, but have been all over the country.

I highly doubt the claims of these people. But people will doubt my claims. There is alotta anti-american sentiment in this country. But these guys sound a little wild and inconsistant.

I dunno. Stay open-minded and skepticle.

Once the western forces are withdrawn from Iraq I see the country imploding into civil war. Iranian backed intervention will occur, and killing will resume on a level never seen in the middle east. Mark my words!

The Pishmerga and other Kurdish militias control the north. Their 80,000+ members will not let Iranian backed militias get far in their conquest of Northern Iraq.

I won't repeat the Iraqi civilian death tolls, statistics of American lives lost, and the dramatic stories of the millions of displaced, disabled, Mental illness, insanity of both sides. Nor will I recount the extraordinary failure of Bush`s demonstration.

You just did.

Does it really matter where he's from? I think it's pretty clear that a large segment of the Iraqi population wants us out.

Who doesn't want us out? Mainly the "elected" officials who have intrests in making sure the country is stable enough to allow the oil companies to do their robbing.

We should leave and let them to to it. Maybe if we'd spent money on actually building schools and fixing the infrastructure instead of spending it on laser guided missles to take out goat herders camps they'd have a bit of a better chance at succeeding.

To the OP I cannot imagine how hard your life must be now and in the past - It is my sincere wish that your people can find peace and prosperity. In the west we are made to believe that the only way to be happy and free is to adopt a western style government and lifestyle. I respect the right of your people to choose what ever form suits them best, I just hope that they are strong enough to actually choose for yourselves and not be cheated yet again the evil schemes of evil men.

almawsil,

Why do you suppose some Iraqis hate the United States for occupying their land, but those same Iraqis consider the suicide bombers the "heroes" for trying to liberate Iraq? Do they think that a bomb hidden in a car causes less collatoral damage than one dropped from a plane?

There are people fighting on both sides of this war. Both sides kill innocents. The people of the United States want out of it. Those of us whose decisions were informed did not want to go into the war in the first place.

Are all of the posts on that forum against America, or is there a "pro" voice there as well? I wish I could read it, but I don't know the language. If the spoken language is as beautiful as the words are in writing, I'm missing out.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Funny .... the OP starts out ... 'peace be upon you' as the title ... but then starts spewing the typical un-peaceful rhetoric.





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I think your getting confused. The comment he posted was from the forum he was talking about in the OP. Not his own words right? Or am I the confused one?