This is a game of give an take we are playing here, Truth. I'll give you points for your knowledge, but you need to be sure to respect my knowledge
as well. Having said that, I'll continue.
"incorrect, he is subject to the church of god and he (must) hold this as the only saving truth."
Perhaps you are forgetting that the Pope is a human being. He is not a god; he merely has standards to live by in his position. He must hold the
Church's views, yes, but the Church does not tell him what brand of chewing gum he is allowed to chew. In fact, I'd rather take the exact opposite
viewpoint of you. The Pope has ultimate freedom within the Church. The Pope can make decrees that the Church must follow. He makes any previous
decrees either right or wrong. He has the facts and thousands of years worth of knowledge in his vault/basement.
" " all people have access to christ "
true. But he has said that all men are united to christ forever which means that aall men are saved, which contradicts jesus and the churches
Who gave you the right to say that the others are damned? I agree, perhaps he doesn't have the right to say that they are saved or not, but no one
does except God, I suppose? Do you not agree?
"read his own words, Redemtor hominus #13, Centesimus annus#53, Missio #4.
read for yourself."
No, I do not use the Bible as my reference for most discussions... real life is proof enough for me.
"I will, he literally prayed in a jewish synagogue for the coming of the jewish messiah which means he rejects the christ. ill provide link
I'm looking forward to it... make sure it is a legitimate site, please.
"mary appears to her for some apparitions, she is the only one alive from fatima which 70,000 all saw and all sick were healed that day... choose not
to believe if you wish, just dont call her a liar when you do not know."
Don't get defensive. I actually believe the Fatima apparitions were very interesting. I have not found any counter evidence (or good stuff anyway)
to believe that what happened was not spectacular. Regardless of who gave the prophecies, there must be proof that the prophecies are fulfilled.
John Smith was a prophet of sorta for the Mormon faith, but I doubt you would hold his prophetic visions to be true. So from now on, pretend like I
am seeing this from the point you see John Smith. I will be critical, but not unshakeable.
"He was jewish, but upon istitution of the (new) sacrafice and covenant the old one was abrogated. which means that the jewish men of the OT reject
the new sacrafice for salvation and the christ (their) messiah, so they are not our brothers in faith unless they convert."
It does not make them our enemies either. You have a very black vs white viewpoint going on here. Life is rarely, if ever, just black and white. I
believe Jesus saves good people, even if they don't necessarily follow him. It may be a different story if they curse Jesus, but I do not believe
that other faiths do curse Jesus what-so-ever. In fact, Jesus is a part of their faith, just not as intregral as yours or mine.
" "" islam and christianity are quite similar ""
Not at all, muslims believe that they have a slave master relationship with god, while christians believe that they are sons and daughters of the
I completely disagree. If anything, many Christians are slaves to their religion. The meek inherit the Earth, while Kings are appointed by God.
Don't you think that is a double standard? It is in the Bible. We are as two faced as they are. The only free man is the one who chooses to be
free. Take a philosophy class.
"thats why they do not accept the (son) of god because he is one a master."
You didn't state that very well. Reread and rewrite so I can get what your point is suppose to be. Muslims believe Mohammed was a prophet, Jesus
was a prophet, and God is almighty. Doesn't sound like an evil religion to me.
"if we were not sons of god then why did he creat us?"
Well God created everything. In my view, God is everything. Why did He create us? That is a question that no one but God knows. Perhaps the reason
isn't as important as the way you live your life. Remember that.
"we are not servants, we are free servants from a father in heaven who loves us as children, the same love we have for our children, god has for us
even more, and is this not evident in our hearts?"
You have no children, do you Truth? You are in your late teens, early 20's if I remember correctly. I have no children, but I can tell you that
only a real parent can feel that for their children... an experience that neither of us has ever had to compare to. You seem to try to understand God
in terms that are foreign to you. Evidence in our hearts is for our fellow man. My Muslim brother (genericly speaking) is just as important to me as
my Christian brother. Only those who reserve a special place in my heart gain that admiration. Just being a Christain is not enough to be included
in a circle of love... unless they choose to be a part of one.
"totally differnt faiths."
Only to a man who is completely capable of understanding and completely blind to the love of mankind.
"dont tell me about it (tradition) either, what i live by is what the saints lived by in the (dark) ages while thhey were fed to the lions and burned
alive for christ."
Umm... the Church burned people alive. That was one of their favorite forms of torture. Read your history. I believe the dark ages were one of the
most successful times for the Church. How about I take your word on this one. The dark ages had many bad parts as well, I will agree.
"I love your soul protector and have a deep care for it."
I pet it and feed it every night before I go to bed
"what taught me this? tradition through god."
More like common sense if you ask me. I don't believe you were ever a bad person, Truth. You seem like you are running from your past by hiding
behind the Church, or something. You know, even when you didn't know Jesus, I still prayed for people like you. I didn't pray that you found
Christ before you burned in Hell... I prayed that you would have a good life and find your own truths and path towards eternity.
"not false tradition, true tradition of gods teachings."
True traditions come from the heart, not a Bible. God will direct your hands if you let Him. Incase you have not notice, I do not need the Bible to
handle my arguments. If Jesus could not use the Bible in his battles, then neither will I.
"1. love thy neighbors.
2. pray for your enemies and love them.
and who lives by these today?"
Billions of people... unfortunitely, they are the ones who don't make the news because they are too "boring."
I look forward to your response.