posted on Feb, 15 2003 @ 03:29 PM
"(but) he cannot and must not (change) or alter previous decrees which were given to the church (infallibly). infact this is what vatican ll has done
If something is wrong, change it. Just because they are old or traditional doesn't make them right. I don't believe you would agree with burning
"witches" at the stake, impaling enemies of the church, hanging, drawn and quartering, or using a guillotine. These were all punishments of the
Church at one point.... aren't you glad those days are over?
"(exactly), and our pope as said every man is saved and we all (have) christ meaning universal salvation. ... That (everybody) is fine and already
saved so we become so lax to our evils that we die by sin."
You are right, he probably should keep his mouth shut on such matters, but how do you inspire people by telling them that they are going to Hell? You
don't. Your religion dies because it is massicistic and you have done nothing for the people. I don't think that people "naturally" allow evil
take over. We always fight evil because nobody likes getting their toes stepped on. You seem to believe that evil is the overpowering force of
nature or nature itself.
"you as god, existed, before us creatures you made, you knew all the truths all the secrets and you created our very beings, you knew there was no
other than you. would you not after given these miracles out accpet them in eternity who (rejected) you?"
Has a miracle happened to you? I mean personally? The only reason I still have so much faith is God is because one happened to me. I can't prove
it, but I don't care... I have no need to prove it to anyone. If I was God, I'd have either done a better job or there is a much bigger reason,
that we don't even understand yet, at work. Either way, yes... my fault for making them... my problem if they fail... because I AM THE ONLY ONE, as
"(works) without (faith) is dead.
(faith) without (works) is dead."
I think that only the heart dies and everything else just reflects that lose. I fear that my heart is dying and it shows in other aspects of my life.
I'm not sure that I would blaim God, but I'm not sure that I WON'T, either.
I believe you are saved because you have finally found your place in God's heart. If I go to Hell, then so be it. No one knows that is in store for
us... but I am very confident that I made a part of my life that will never go away. I'm happy with that decision.
"and whos to say the good who you think are good, are not evil on the inside?"
This is one of the biggest issues today. We have to make a personal decision to believe in good people and be ready for a stab in the back. Prepare
for the worst and hope for the best.
"Gods judgements are just because he knows our inner heart and being."
Justice has no real definition and we have no way to define God's "judgements" either. He does know my inner heart and He'd probably be
disappointed, but that doesn't mean His love is gone for me... nor mine gone for Him.
"those who sin are slaves to sin."
"i am a slave only to (love) of god and people which to me means im (free)."
Do not be a slave to love, either. Love hurts... and has certainly hurt me, even with my lack of experience with it. Love in itself is not wonderful
and "God," yet God is everything, beyond love, and unexplainable. I have felt God and God did not feel like love, nor any feeling describable. We
need to remove emotion from our perceptions in order to get to the truth, sometimes.
"6. you said the meek inherit the earth.
who said all rulers are damned?
who said all meek are (all) (non) rulers?"
I'm just making sure that you have a level head on this issue... I've known many people who went to my old church that believed literal translations
over common sense.
"this is why they have forcable conversion and why they have orginizations for terror."
They believe in physically defending their beliefs as Christians once did. (Crusades) I'm not sure they really think of it as a master/slave
relationship... but if they do, then those particular Muslims are out of line as well. Let's not stereotype.
"while chrstians believe god is a (god) aand a (father) in heaven who loves them nomatter their faults if they repent and loves them as his (KIDS)
You make repenting sound like a good thing, with negative aspects. Repenting for sins is sometimes like telling a slave master, "Thanks for the
beating." We do not bring much of the evil of this world onto ourselves, but we must deal with it. If I have to appologize for God's doing or
allowing, then NO! If something truly is my fault, then yes I believe an appology (repent) is the right thing to do.
"the muslims believe in allah as their master whic cannot look paste the love for him nor his love for us."
That is pure opinion, so please keep that out of this discussion.
"(every) soul is important to me, and you wouldnt believe how much i love soul and want them to enjoy eternal life."
I have no doubt that you have good intentions and parhaps a kind heart, but that does not make your perceptions correct. Perception is the issue
here, not your continuous efforts to support your own beliefs.
"have you read my heart? or watched my tears?"
No, but people wear their hearts and tears are usually only shed in private. I am a great judge of people and character, moreso than perhaps I would
even care for. Your heart speaks in your words and I do not believe it is completely pure.
"and do you think that because it is christ church it is free from (heretics)?"
I'm more worried that it is not Christ's Church to begin with... aren't you? You have given more evidence than anyone on that... yet you still
"what about the saints who were burned alive, yet did not raise a hand against their enemies?"
They are either idiots or truly good people. I didn't know that was an issue?
"you have not seen what has led me into this church. nor have you seen my past. please explain this question alittle more because what led me to this
church was miracles."
I have read many of your previous posts... I started coming to these boards around the same time you did. I know much of your story throughout the
hundreds of posts. We are not that dissimilar. On the otherhand, I don't believe, from what I've read, that you have had a "miracle" that was
1/10 as real as mine. Much of your previous posts have seemed like conjecture and opinion. You use the miracles as a battering ram to say that you
must be right (a weapon). I do not agree. I will be the first to admit that I am probably wrong to some degree, but I'm also very right to another
"this is my point, todays society hates (morality) and this is the exact reversal of the kingdom of god which is (hell) on earth."
Don't let life be your Hell. Live it fully. Turn off the radio or the TV if you don't like it. I don't think it is anything more than a fad. We
call it pop-culture. It is where a bunch of idiots all do the exact same thing, then yell out, "I'M BEING DIFFERENT AND I'M BEING MY OWN PERSON!"
We all know they are full of it.
Let God's kingdom live inside you, through you, and in all of the things you do. Do not just "say it"... LIVE IT! This doesn't mean endless
hours of praying or judging people or defending your own beliefs, it is only a state of living/being. The fact that I don't have to defend my views,
but you do, tells me that you believe you have to fight in order for your voice to be heard. Stop struggling and start becoming at peace (becoming
one) with your own happiness. You know, once you have really found your truth, you won't need to defend it so strenuously.
"while billlions do live by this, even more billions do not."
So wish those other billions the best of luck and take care of yourself. You are either a shining example or a struggling preacher. The greatest
people of all time have drawn crowds, not lured them.
"Now, what is it you said about fatima?"
It doesn't matter too much. There is no reason to get off topic.
A few last words: You put forth so much effort in your discussions, but do you think God needs that? If you were omnipotent, would you need others
to fight your battles? I don't think so. God can work at the speed of anti-time and the strength of beyond omnipotential. Your job is to allow
people to tune into God's frequency so that they may find the greatness of God, as you have. Become one with peace and you will attract others to
your greatest (through God's helping you), but please put away your pulpit.