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Topic started on 8-4-2009 @ 05:55 PM by News And History

ABC Special to Dismiss Idea of Using Guns for Self Defense?


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Will the upcoming ABC special "If I Only Had a Gun" dismiss and deride the concept of using firearms to defend oneself and stop a potential massacre? A promo that aired during Wednesday's "Good Morning America" seemed to suggest yes. As ominous music played in the background, an announcer intoned, "Friday night on ABC, when it comes to protecting yourself, you may think, 'If I only had a gun.'" Video then played of an experiment in which a female college student attempted to pull out what looked like a pellet gun to stop a faux Virginia Tech-style massacre.



The ad's announcer quizzed, "But if you had a gun, could you defend yourself in a crisis?" After an unidentified voice asked the young woman where she would be if this had been real, she responded, "Probably on the floor. Hopefully in an ambulance." More video showed young children pointing real guns at each other and themselves. The announcer solemnly wondered, "What about the irresistible pull of guns on kids and how easy can you get them? Diane Sawyer investigates with David Muir. 'If I Only Had a Gun.' One stunning hour."
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reply posted on 8-4-2009 @ 06:03 PM by LockwithnoKey
ABC is holding true to it's nickname...

Another B.s. Company!



reply posted on 8-4-2009 @ 06:26 PM by pyrytyes
reply to post by News And History



Maybe the lass needs some firearms training? Without reading the article, my guess is, they picked anyone off of the street...

I would rather have a firearm, and not need to use it, than be in a situation
and not have one to utilize.

A lot of it is common sense, but that is asking too much of some people.

Practice, practice, and more practice developing mental situations, and gun control...hit what you have in your sights.


reply posted on 8-4-2009 @ 06:29 PM by GenRadek
There have been quite a few incidents where both students and teachers ARMED with guns that have prevented mass shootings on their campuses. Its just that the media doesnt like this as this goes agianst their entire script of guns=bad.

freestudents.blogspot.com...

But I guess the liberal way of thinking is: Oh its a gun free zone. This means we are safe!

yeah right.

VT is a prefect example of this. One lunatic with two pistols (NOT rifles or "machine guns") pistols, murdered over 30 people. And not ONE person could stop him. I wonder what would have happened if two ro three students were armed or allowed to have a gun legally on campus?



reply posted on 8-4-2009 @ 06:39 PM by centurion1211
reply to post by GenRadek



OK. Time to post the map again. This is the map that shows that most mass shootings occur in the so-called gun free zones. Thinking people of course realize that "gun free zone" means that only legal, law abiding citizens do not have guns there. Another and better description of such places would be "target rich environment".

map


reply posted on 8-4-2009 @ 06:41 PM by A NeWorlDisorder



And thats all I have to say about it.






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reply posted on 8-4-2009 @ 06:53 PM by samhouston1886
reply to post by News And History




They want to disarm us because without guns we will be easier to control and abuse.
They will tax us into oblivion and if we even make a peep they will crush us and if we are disarmed the arrogance of their thugs will only grow to a point that will make you think the taliban are more reasonable.

I guess that if we are all enslaved by taxes that it would help pay of the national debt and slaves cant very well have weapons now can they?

The only people who share such passion and motivation for a disarmed population are violent offenders and criminals and let me tell you they have a lot in common with our ruler’s things like pedophilia, rape, murder, theft, fraud and too many other things to list.

Take it from someone who has been to a quite a few scenes, your gun is your best option against someone who is going to hurt or kill you or a loved one, don’t ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

Crime is going up and will continue to do so and the best our media can offer is that you should hope that the offender has mercy because you are too stupid to defend yourself.

Sounds like we now know what BHO administrations priorities are


ABC can go to hell with their White House propaganda.


reply posted on 8-4-2009 @ 07:09 PM by GenRadek
reply to post by centurion1211



thanks for the map! Its amazing how the numbers and the locations coincide like this. and yet, the politicians and anti-gun groups dont seem to understand.

Fun fact, every single police officer I have ever talked to in Chicago (my hometown), from the regular officer to sergents to captains, all have said the same thing over and over, ALLOW CCW in Chicago. Why is that? Another thing they said, GO AFTER gangbangers and criminals, NOT just guns. Its amazing what you can learn from a police officer.



reply posted on 8-4-2009 @ 07:11 PM by secretagent woooman
reply to post by centurion1211


The only problem is, as any cop, medic or gun safety expert will tell you, is that the opposite usually happens. You are far more likely to injure yourself or enrage an offender to the point of murdering you by firing a weapon than you are to defend yourself. Point blank, people panic in those situations and it is not as easy to play Steven Seagal as it looks on tv, I say this as someone who has been in this situation. I'm all for self defense but please be realistic about it, you would have to see them coming to catch them off guard before they pull a weapon and then it can't even be called self defense in court. As desperate as a lot of people are now they are losing inhibitions about seriously injuring or killing someone else while robbing them so fighting back probably is not the best option in all cases.


reply posted on 8-4-2009 @ 07:43 PM by MrAnonUK
It is beyond me why so many Americans look to state a gun is for self defence, arguing the point 'if I had a gun at that moment.' It is true, a gun could prevent a shooting from happening, but that is merely a draconian approach and excuse to keep hold of a deadly weapon.

How is it that so many pose that scenario, yet fail to note that if a gun was not so easily accessible through your laws that 90% of these shootings would not occur (simply check many other 'fully developed' national statistics on gun crime.) It would be extremely hard to unilaterally withdraw guns from all persons, which of course makes it an incredibly difficult problem to resolve.

It amazes me however that I see so many state others are "sheeple," yet I can so often see the same people condoning the possession of items perfected with only only the soul purpose being to kill another human being. The majority of the world find it not so hard knowing you do not hold a tool for murder based on the claim it can defend themselves, why? beacuse the majority of the world does not ignore the higher probability of damages resulting from a populace readily possessing guns.

These are weapons designed to kill people for purposes of war, perfected for that very 'art,' the producers of these weapons are not considering perfecting them for domesticated use. So ultimately, guns should be banned anywhere and everywhere outside a war-zone, or developers should enter into a pursuit of perfection for domesticated use (which would provide the answer for both parties, yes... even those that act as if they must have weapons of murder otherwise they are being ruled by "the" NWO.)

And please, no our 'constitution' this, our 'constitution' that, doesn't change anything but show a nations inability to progress past popular interests for the greater good of man. It shows adherence to popular draconian writings, many of which need great revision, but many a man cannot, or will not, acknowledge that in the United States an almost ancient document is no longer suitable for a progressive mankind.


reply posted on 8-4-2009 @ 07:53 PM by jerico65
Originally posted by MrAnonUK
It is beyond me why so many Americans look to state a gun is for self defence, arguing the point 'if I had a gun at that moment.' It is true, a gun could prevent a shooting from happening, but that is merely a draconian approach and excuse to keep hold of a deadly weapon.


Ask my friend that popped that guy in the Burger King. He had a gun at that moment, and the other guy that was holding up the BK is now dead.

Originally posted by MrAnonUK
How is it that so many pose that scenario, yet fail to note that if a gun was not so easily accessible through your laws that 90% of these shootings would not occur (simply check many other 'fully developed' national statistics on gun crime.) It would be extremely hard to unilaterally withdraw guns from all persons, which of course makes it an incredibly difficult problem to resolve.


Got a source for the 90% fact?

And you do know that criminals usually get their weapons outside the law?


Originally posted by MrAnonUK
It amazes me however that I see so many state others are "sheeple," yet I can so often see the same people condoning the possession of items perfected with only only the soul purpose being to kill another human being. The majority of the world find it not so hard knowing you do not hold a tool for murder based on the claim it can defend themselves, why? beacuse the majority of the world does not ignore the higher probability of damages resulting from a populace readily possessing guns.


A lot of people have weapons so they can enjoy shooting them at a regulated rifle/pistol range.

I guess that if murderers were killing people with baseball bats, and regular people owned them, they'd have to be taken away, too?


Originally posted by MrAnonUK
These are weapons designed to kill people for purposes of war, perfected for that very 'art,' the producers of these weapons are not considering perfecting them for domesticated use. So ultimately, guns should be banned anywhere and everywhere outside a war-zone, or developers should enter into a pursuit of perfection for domesticated use (which would provide the answer for both parties, yes... even those that act as if they must have weapons of murder otherwise they are being ruled by "the" NWO.)


Ever see a hunting rifle? I consider that a weapon of war "domesticated".

Originally posted by MrAnonUK
And please, no our 'constitution' this, our 'constitution' that, doesn't change anything but show a nations inability to progress past popular interests for the greater good of man. It shows adherence to popular draconian writings, many of which need great revision, but many a man cannot, or will not, acknowledge that in the United States an almost ancient document is no longer suitable for a progressive mankind.


And while we're at it, I guess we should get rid of that pesky "Freedom of Speech" thing we have. Or how about take away the right to vote from women? Or outlaw alcohol again, since that leads to drunk driving?

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[edit on 8-4-2009 by jerico65]


reply posted on 8-4-2009 @ 07:54 PM by MrAnonUK
reply to post by centurion1211



Come on, surely you can see that within a region that has zero border control that is inevitable. In this case, within the United States of America it is a highly predictable outcome that gun crime will continue or rise as proper counter measures cannot be imposed to stop guns entering the States, and guns being withdrawn from individuals.

You seem as to suggest the map is a mockery against states that have these laws, I say these statesman are incredibly brave to try and kick start your nation into joining in with the rest of the world. I see large amounts of foolish states, alongside very few considerate states, considerate states that are sadly let down by so many.

I'm always dumbfounded by the ignorance repeated regarding this issue, is the majority of the world not proof enough. Or is the USA so great, so advanced, so different that the rules of others cannot be applied without total chaos.

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