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posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo_Child
If you see it from the eyes of the ET's on our side, such as the Pleadians, a death on Earth is only temporay and will be followed by a rebirth. As they see each life on planet Earth as one that is learning and needs to learn some lessons. If that lesson is a nuclear WW3, then they can't stop that lesson. It the actions of people on Earth which are leading to this outcome. If ET's intervened they would stop a natural outcome and lesson from being learned. Hence, why they will not stop it. They may, however, covertly aid a side they choose.

It is not that I am a pessimist or a soothsayer that I am predicting total destruction. I am just being realistic. Based on the current thought patterns in the world there is nothing that can stop this outcome from happening. It will take centuries to transform the thought-patterns on this world, it is practically impossible to do it in a few years. Do you really think I want there to be WW3? I am so disturbed by it that I wish it doesn't happen. How am I and my family going to survive in WW3? The last thing I want is to die in a nuclear blast.


Oh no, i truly suspect you just went where the truth led you. We all can see the writings on the wall and i agree that the state of the human mindset is pretty much disturbing. Sometimes there are people that stumble upon things they really do not want to believe but cannot deny anymore when applying their logic on it. I always say to my friends and others the same thing about my view on the future that i hope i'm just paranoid and everything will be fine but that it just is not the most likely conclusion when adding everything up and not accepting massive stupidity on the part of the ones controlling it.



I don't think any of these new-age fantasies have any merit. This is similar to the hippie movements in the 60's which were behaving like the world had entered an age of peace, love and light, even while war, disease and corruption was rampant in the world. In actual fact a lot of these hippies just wanted to do a lot of drugs, rock and roll and have loads of sex under the new-age bannner. So there was no change in consciousness, it was just another fad, which was then became commercialised and today new-age has become a market to buy merchandize like "Awaken your Kundalini in 30 days" and where you can buy meditation magnets and hyperdimensional generating chi machines. It's become a big joke. Practical, everyone is a reincarnation of somebody famous: Cleopatra, Jesus, Ceaser, Napoliean. Practically everyone is channeling Ra, Jesus or some ET. This ascension business is another new-age meme. Most people do not even know what they are talking about when they say, "ascend to the 5th dimension" or "Our 12 spirals of DNA"

It has basically become an out of control religion and logic and reason has been thrown to the wind. I know my views are very strong in condemning this movement, but I've dealt with these creatures directly and been involved in many spiritual groups and know what kind of mindset they are operating at. They will believe anything, faries, dragons, leperechauns. They live in a complete fantasy.

My forecast for 2012 is not based on any new-age conspiracy, but on the sum of the evidence that I can verify.


Ok, fair enough. Personally i still have some trust in it and if there is anything like clairvoiance, guides, the etheric afterlife, reincarnation and the undying soul in all that is, including planets, suns and even the galaxy than chances are that the timing of those sumerian aliens coincides with the period of chaos and destruction, in part to keep us locked into fear and misery while that period passes over us. Just to keep as much of us into this mindset and unable to escape. Consolidating and maintaining their power so to speak. Ignoring the evil things going on will not solve them but if there is any balans in this universe there should be an opportunity for individual souls to continue on their journey to [wherever].
Anyway, if this is or is not true the problem at hand does not change because of it. Whatever happens will keep on happening with the mindset we are currently in. So; learning time.

[edit on 15-4-2009 by Harman]




posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 04:22 PM
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Ok, fair enough. Personally i still have some trust in it and if there is anything like clairvoiance, guides, the etheric afterlife, reincarnation and the undying soul in all that is, including planets, suns and even the galaxy than chances are that the timing of those sumerian aliens coincides with the period of chaos and destruction, in part to keep us locked into fear and misery while that period passes over us. Just to keep as much of us into this mindset and unable to escape. Consolidating and maintaining their power so to speak. Ignoring the evil things going on will not solve them but if there is any balans in this universe there should be an opportunity for individual souls to continue on their journey to [wherever].
Anyway, if this is or is not true the problem at hand does not change because of it. Whatever happens will keep on happening with the mindset we are currently in. So; learning time.


Oh no, don't get me wrong. I too believe in clairvoyance, spiritual guides, ether, astral planes, reincarnation et al. But these are notn new-age concepts; these are very old Aryan concepts. The new-age movement began with the birth of Theosophy in the West. This lead to an influx of Aryan religions, the main one being as you will know Hinduism which forms about 80% of the new-age beliefs. Over time, especially during the 60's with the rise of TM, the esoteric spirituality of theosophy was dumbed down to be mass-consumed by the 60's rock and roll generation and spirtuality became profane and all the teachings distorted. Most new-agers do not gain their knowlege from the primary sources of the philosophy they think they are following, but from secondary sources like Sylvia Brown, Deepak Chora, Colin Frith(sp?) etc and end up with a very distorted, second-hand knowledge completely out of context.

I do not mean to boast but I gained my knowledge of spirituality directly from the primary sources. I have a far more authentic and scientific understanding of what astral planes, reincarnation, ether and psychic abilities are than 90% of newagers. When they say "ascend to the 5th dimension" they don't know what they're talking about, they are just parroting some Sylvia Brown, from Nancy Leider or whatever. Many would be surprised to to learn just how rationally and disspasioniately the Aryan texts explain these concepts(there is none of this love frequency, 12 spirals of DNA crap) Let me share how the Aryans describe all these things:

Reincarnation: Reincarnation is basically a universal law of cause and effect that occurs within a space-time complex. All personality stuctures are a resultant of a net of interconnected causal chains. In effect a personality is nothing more than a function of space and time, and is not in fact a discreet individual entity suspended in space. The notion of particularity and separation is a reaction that is caused within the quantum domain when a superpositioned state is collapsed by an observer. This causes the absolutem to appear to split into a manifest universial field, within which infinite space-times manifest which in turn is reflected by infinite individual souls(all of these just various expressions of the absolutem) and because of the inherent dialectic in the individual soul of finite vs infinite, a motive force is generated that causes the soul to resolve the the dialectic through synthesis and thus begins its evolutionary path to finally resolve the binary opposites of finitude and infinitude and realise the absolutem.

Ether/astral etc: The ether refers to the quantum domain in which all phenomena takes place. All phenomena that we observe is a causal chain that regresses back to the quantum domain(ether) where it exists in a pure vibratory state. The various modifications of the original quantum field gives rise to the mutiplicity of phenomena of various densities:

5th density(OM) The Absolute, known as Brahman in Sanskrit. It is within the absolute that every possibility takes place at once. It is a state of infinite-resonance. The infinite quantum domain. The Aryan scriptures describe this 5th state as a dynamic, perpetual, coherent life-wave within a field of pure light. In modern physics this state could be described as a superstring.

4th Density(A-U-M) In the 4th densiity there is a rarefication of the 5h density causing particularity(Sanskrit: vishesa) which causes the absolutem to appear as as mind and matter which then bound in an inseparable relationship with one another but exist in a dual reality. This is the birth of cosmic intelligence and cosmic matter(Sanskrit: Mahat) which are further individuated and become infinite units of mind(jeevatman) and infinite units of matter(paramanus) However, do not mistake this to be the same as solid matter, this is fine etheric matter, and are literally infinitesimal points of energy, similar to strings of modern physics. The various densities/vibratory frequences of these strings give rise to the various densities of ether and various densities of spirit-beings. This refers to the various planes of the astral.

3rd Density: The heaviest density of ether becomes manifest matter and this is when gross space and time take formation. The strings reach such a low vibratory state that it appears solid and static.

Summary:

5th Density

Absolutem Barrier

4th density

Etheric barrier

3rd density

In Sanskrit these are known as the triloka(three realms) and they are further subdivided into 7 realms. In each of these realms different beings reside and the higher you go the more spiritually advanced that beings are. For a 3rd density being to enter into the 4th density it needs to break through the etheric barrier. This can only be reached in your soul-body, because gross matter cannot exist on that level.

So when people claim they will ascend into the 5th dimension in 2012 you can be sure they are talking nonsense because that means they have reached the pinnacle of their spiritual evolution and are more advanced than the highest celestial beings. When they say that they will be given a choice to ascend into 4th dimensional Earth where somehow there will be a new earth for them out of phase with present Earth, they are talking nonsense. 4th dimension is the astral plane and they can only enter that plane in a spirit-body and they are already coexisting in that plane in their thoughts. There is no such thing as a 4th dimensional physical Earth, everything physical is 3rd dimensional. They will continue to reincarnate on Earth(because of earth-bound karma) until they have not reached a level of spiritual evolution where they no longer require physical bodies.

So come 2012: There will be no dimensional shifts. It will be like any other day, except for WW3, and if you're killed as most people will be, you'll be coming back to Earth in post-2012 future.

[edit on 15-4-2009 by Indigo_Child]



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 05:44 PM
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Thank you very much for that explanation. It clears up a lot for me.
Just one question really. As far as i know earth is a living entity so when human souls have the option to ascend in whatever way, why shouldn't earth have that possibility? Your explanation does not incorporate earth as a soul(ish being) that is able to continue the journey as i read it.

It is offtopic and maybe we should continue this in a U2U conversation but in my eyes every entity should have a oppurtunity to continue on their travels, no matter how big.

And scientifically speaking there are cosmic things going on that do tend to point to some cosmic event on the doorstep. The solarsystem in it's totality warming up, the sun having the deepest spotless period in recorded history and even Nasa saying the 2012 could be bad in regards to solar flares wreaking havoc on our electronics. Even the discovery that our solar system is travelling diagonally through our milky-way points to a certain point where cosmic radiation will be more severe than we are experiencing now. It could 'just' give us all sorts of nasty cancer but it could point to other things. Not saying we are instamorphing to 12 spiralled DNA while traveling to the 5th and just skipping 4th but the extra cosmic radiation is one of two things: deadly or a tool helping to connect into that esoteric reality around us.

Anyway: i learned a lot. Thanks again



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 06:16 PM
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Simply put the Earth is not conscious. The earth manifests consciousness through us, the body is a biochemical organism which act as vehicles for the soul and as the biochemical structures evolves it is able to manifest higher and higher levels of consciousness and this explains why evolution takes place and how organisms become more complex.

There are two aspects that are at play in the universe: matter and consciousness(Sanskrit: Prakriti and Purusha) space, time, cause and effect, objects are all material and are born out the static material energy of the Absolutem. They are literally waves within an infinite quantum field and as such they have no life of their own. They are inert, but they are enjoyed by the absolutem's dynamic spiritual energy - i.e., us souls. The absolutem thus enjoys his material energy through us and hence why in Aryan tradition the cosmos is depicted as a pair of lovers and creation is seen as the act of love. We are its children.

The events happening in the solar system all has to do with the consciousness of this planet. The reason all of these events are destructive is due to our destructive consciousness. There is more to come from tsunamis, tornados to earthquakes on a very large scale.

[edit on 15-4-2009 by Indigo_Child]



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 06:46 PM
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What's your opinion on 'junk' DNA, Indigo Child? Do you believe we are moving from an Iron Age to a Golden Age as Jay Weidner believe (Hindu Yuga system)?

Are there 'cycles' at all?

Or is our personal evolution just based on our own work?



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 06:57 PM
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We're at the starting period of Kali Yuga which will indicate much damage anyway
It started in 3102 BC



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 05:01 AM
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what bullocks.You said we need a world govt.Why am i not supriesed.
look i hate to break to you but there will be no restart of time or your utpoian world.
The universe is fracturing as we speak
I have told you again and again to read this and debunk this
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The Et's are deceiving you.Most of the ET's are evil and hate us.Also everything has a consciousness.even a grain of sand has,Saying earth doesn't has a consciousness is a sign that you are annunaki influenced.

Read mylips the planet along with the rest of the universe will be destroyed

www.xeeatwelve.com...
On the micro scale, Matter is fracturing. As Matter fractures, so too will all the atoms. As the atoms weaken, they will begin to express unpredictably. On the macro scale, the Universal Dodecahedron is fracturing, and all things contained therein are also breaking down.

The fracturing will cause all life forms to generally deteriorate, change their behaviours and go awry. This will not only affect “living” things, but inert things and even principles, such as: gravity, laws of attraction and bonding etc. Thus, some of the laws of physics as we know them will be affected.

Physical bodies and biological systems will be greatly affected by the breakdown of Matter. Health problems will be exacerbated and increase in new and diverse ways at unprecedented rates. Almost everyone will be affected by experiencing a degree of ill health or vulnerability to disease, trauma and adverse reactions to many things that never affected them before. These could include extreme reactions to food, water, air, and the energies of others. In short, atoms will be reacting to one another in new and unpredictable ways, resulting in health, mental, physical, emotional, spiritual and other problems.

What I am explaining here is that Darkness is fracturing, and all of Its systems are entering a state of radical change for the worse. Darkness has kept a tight lid on Its prison up until now, but It is losing control. Its prison walls are falling down. The order of things will break down. This will include order in human affairs along with order of celestial bodies, among many other things that are subjected to the dictates of Darkness.



Utopia cannot exist in this realm, but turning within to the Love of the Divine Mother can afford one peace and comfort in this corrupt and deteriorating world. The Correction is underway, and soon the disgusting common law will be flushed away and be of no account whatsoever, along with all of the other earthly forms of "justice."


want to know the true and the real story of god
www.xeeatwelve.com...

I see you avoid my posts cuz you are scared.
dont worry everyone can join the light if you havent given your will to darkness.

also your WW3 scenario is also mentioned by mrs stanford
www.xeeatwelve.com...
The Anunnaki Remnants think that they can select their own chosen ones (like their masters did) and take refuge with them in underground bunkers during the period of catastrophes. They plan to take a whole garrison of "slaves" underground. These will include soldiers, police, fire fighters, cooks, entertainers, beauticians, doctors, scientists, etc. In the aftermath, they will use them on the surface, as before. Most importantly, they will use their own new breed of clones to populate the Earth. The Earth population is being programmed to accept this underground scenario as can be seen in movies like Deep Impact. These Anunnaki think that their masters, the Anunnaki Elite, will be returning as before, and they also think that they will have pleased them with the way that they have influenced the Earth.

But the Anunnaki Remnants' plan has been thwarted...

[edit on 16-4-2009 by unrealweapon]



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 05:12 AM
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Their evil desire to destroy much of the life and the culture on the surface of the Earth will fail. In the aftermath, they expect to find the Earth inhabited with only a relatively few survivors whom they would easily subdue with the weapons, technology and military forces that they secured underground during the catastrophes. They hope their masters will restart all cultures with themselves deified and served by the people they plan to enslave.

The ones chosen to continue in their new civilization are humans and clones who have specially chosen characteristics for blind obedience. They think their masters will once again be the literal gods of the world.

The Anunnaki Remnants are now amongst us. They are our current puppet masters who manipulate and control the world. At present, the cloning of humans, animals and plants are common activities with these aliens in our midst. This diabolical scheme is not known to the general public and it will be vehemently denied by the world leaders and their minions.

Thus, for a long, long time the Earth has been a planet run by slavers!

The Anunnaki on Earth are awaiting reinforcements from their masters, the Anunnaki Elite who escaped temporarily to other solar systems when the Attas were after them. However, the reinforcements will not be coming to Earth this time because the Attas have restricted their reinforcements, so the existing Anunnaki on Earth are stuck.

The Sun Cruisers that have been detected recently are part of The Rescue Team from the Light. They are not of Eridanean origin as has been speculated by some. The Sun Cruisers are on standby because the Light anticipates that the Anunnaki Elite will attempt to return to the Earth to cause all manner of catastrophes, and to re-supply the Anunnaki Remnants. However, should any Anunnaki Elite attempt to come to Earth, they will encounter invincible forces from the Light.



AGain i advise you to read the posts of her.

btw what made you to come back.I thought you were tired of seeing the pointless Ufo articles at ATS?
are you even indigo or have been taken over?


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posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 05:15 AM
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Love is the most important of all. Everybody make love and make babies to counter depopulation. ^o*



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 08:54 AM
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I must say, I could'nt have found any lesson to be as good as the one Indigo_Child gave us

As far as depopulation goes, I am still unable to believe that the present population accounts for 7 Billion+. I mean jus look at it, places like Greenland, Iceland, South America, Africa and Australia; they are all sooo free... Maybe de population was already started a long time ago and is being brought about rite now so as to create a diversion. The story about the Vulturites and Reptiles given in www.xeeatwelve.com... sounds like a story about the Dinosaurs and ancient birds in pre historic times. Everybody wants to claim that they met Satan or God, seems like a new fad with the present times.

Indigo_Child, can you please give the names of those Sanskrit books along with the authors which you say is your primary source of Aryan knowledge, maybe I can educate myself.....



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 09:27 AM
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Again indigo doesn't know waht he is talking.He first says the China will invade India but he fails to realize that the billy mier clips are from 1992.At that time India did t had nuclear wepaons.

second the vulturites are not birds.Its a name given by author for some reason that she is not disclosing.

The entire xeeatwelve articles are in brief in this post
www.abovetopsecret.com...



the reptilians and vulturites are the 2 side of the same coin.Both are the illuminati and want global domination.

The ruling elite are of reptilian consciousness,they are human but their consiousness are of ET origin.


THe only thig that will happen in 2012 is that it will be worse than 2008,9,10,11 and then 2013 will be worse than 2012.
You must relasie that the so called yugas dont lead to spritual evolution but stagnation,they keep us in constant cycle which does not progress but traps us.

In the divine realm there are no cycles

another article about gravity and cycles
www.xeeatwelve.com...
Gravity sustains physical motion. Many have theorized that because gravity is a weaker force than some other forces, that it is not the primary force. This is erroneous. Gravity is the first cause and the critical force that holds this illusory universe together. Only later did the Demiurge create the strong and weak nuclear forces to better tighten and bond matter together, and later still, It created the electromagnetic force to seal off sections of the Evil Creation and to erase memories of beings in the virtual reality. The physical universe is continually spinning but going nowhere. For example, there is the perceived rotation of the ages — the signs of the Zodiac. They repeat the cycle over and over without real progress. That is the plan of the Demiurge.

Gravity is the first force of attraction. Motion is keeping the illusion going by the sustaining properties of gravity. When gravity is dismantled, the balls will stop moving, and the entire illusion will crumble. There are particular energies which build virtual realities within virtual realities in this dimension.

The continuous motion works much like a sleight-of-hand trick. All the beings in the realm are moving so much within the illusion that they cannot focus on reality. As an example, imagine that you are riding on a merry-go-round. The horse can feel like it is standing still and everything around you is spinning. As a result, you cannot maintain focus on the outside world, however it is relatively easy to focus on the horses on the merry-go-round. This is because you are within the illusion of the merry-go-round and it becomes the reality of the moment. Try as you might, you can only catch glimpses of the outside world which you perceive to be spinning. However, you know that you are spinning on the merry-go-round, not the world outside, whose movement is an illusion created by the merry-go-round.

Thus, because of all the motion in the universe, and motion within motion, everything here is like a merry-go-round ride, and those on the ride can only get an occasional glimpse here and there of what is beyond. And, even then, those glimpses are often just of motions within motions, or other merry-go-rounds. Merry-go-rounds can be fun for a short ride, but if you stay on too long, they make you sick. From a spiritual standpoint that sickness has so disoriented True-Light beings that they have forgotten their True Divine origin and think that they are part of the illusion. If the merry-go-round stops, the illusion stops and all viable True-Light beings will be outside the virtual reality.

The shattering of this illusion — this virtual reality — has commenced. Due to the complexities of illusions within illusions it has taken a long time to dismantle it. Gravity, because of motion and inertia, is the primary cause holding things together for the time being. ...

[edit on 16-4-2009 by unrealweapon]



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 09:33 AM
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Once the virtual realities within the virtual reality are all shattered, all the True beings of the Light who are trapped here will be freed. This day will come. Everyone should try to break the mindset that the physical is all there is because that mindset is the biggest trap of all. There is a True Reality out there, once these dreadful rides stop.

One strong indication of the breaking of the illusion of the virtual reality occurred recently. A dog enclosure was locked and the lock had frozen shut. I needed to enter, but couldn't because of the frozen lock. I then pulled on the lock several times, but was unable to unfreeze it. Then, I pulled again and amazingly was able to pass the frozen-shut metal lock and my hand through a two-layered galvanized steel latch! I actually passed both my hand and the metal lock right through the steel hasp! To do this defies the laws of physics in this realm, yet it occurred. It was the equivalent of walking through a wall while carrying a metal object with me.

While electrons are trapped by protons and neutrons on the atomic level, planets are trapped by stars or suns on the macro level. The sun of our solar system is the trap. It gives off False-Light, which the planets need to survive in this material realm. In exchange for this light, the sun forces the planets to revolve around it and to do all the work keeping the solar system bound together in the illusion which is driven by their orbits around the sun. If the perpetual motion of the planets — the merry-go-round — stops, the illusion crumbles, and all the viable True-Light beings in the entire solar system are liberated from the entrapments of Darkness.

Of course, the solar system is but a ride within a ride, as it is part of a galaxy, which is part of the universe. All of these rides are about to stop turning.

The sun is the main source of the illusion. Those who are part of the illusion will dissipate when the illusion collapses. Those who are not part of the illusion will continue to exist after the virtual reality is over.

While the sun is the biggest trap in the solar system, it has the appearance of being of the greatest assistance and being the most important part of the system. The sun is not the driver of the solar system, the planets are. While the sun provides heat and light by which biological "life" is made possible, biological life is but another virtual reality which traps the True-Light beings. Through being trapped in biological bodies, True-Light beings are forced to drive the world.

In this realm, Light looks dark, and Darkness appears as light.
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The True God does not want to be worshipped. In fact, the desire to be worshipped is yet another Anunnaki trait. The Anunnaki also build huge, elaborate monuments and temples, but these are not for the True God. These are human-made idols to satisfy human ego.

The Light has attempted repeatedly to correct Darkness and bring It back to the Light, but Darkness stubbornly rejects any correction. Darkness has tenaciously held onto every True-Light being that is trapped in the virtual reality, and holds those beings ransom. Now, the time has come for the Light to liberate Its Own from Darkness.

The process has commenced.



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 09:36 AM
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I really think we need to understand that nothing is written in stone, and that hypothetically, many millions of possible timelines exist that are not set unless we give them power. The positive is one of our best tools. This thread talks about what we need to be thinking of right now:
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 10:53 AM
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Indigo_Child, can you please give the names of those Sanskrit books along with the authors which you say is your primary source of Aryan knowledge, maybe I can educate myself.....


Sure, but let me just preface it by saying that because Sanskrit is such an elite tradition, one cannot just read one book and gain knowlege of it, it requires a lot of reading and immersion into its worldview to understand it. It also requires a lot of meditation to understand it. The Sanskrit method of learning begins from stating an aphorism such as in Yoga, "Yoga is the cessation of thought-waves within the mind-stuff" and then it would go through the following stages of assimilation:

1) Intellectual analysis(vichara)
2) Meditation(subjective analysis)(dhyana)
3) Integration(yoga)

In ancient times in the Gurukul education system(Aryan tradition) the student would be asked to meditate on what they learned and to analyse it and meditate on it and then integrate this into their whole knowledge. I am doing the same thing, I have intellectually analysed the material, meditated on it, so now I can integrate it with everything I know, such as I have done with physics earlier.

Anyway the texts I recommend you read and please try to find recent and accurate translations, because there a lot of bad translations out there.

Intro primary texts to the Sanskrit traditions

1) Bhagvad Gita

It is a discourse between Krishna and Arjuna on a battlefield:

- It introduces the field and holographic theory of the universe
- It introduced the three fundamental forces that govern all phenomenon
- It introduces the laws of Karma
- It introduces the material and spiritual energies and how they work to create

2) Yoga Sutras

It is a discourse on the science of mind

- It introduces the concepts of states of consciousness(unconscious, subconscious, conscious and superconscious)
- It introduces the mind-stuff theory of reality
- It discusses karma in the form of causal chains and how they generate desires, which in turn generate thought-forms.
- It explains how mind and matter are inseparable and how knowledge of matter can be gained directly through mind and how mind can physically affect matter.
- It presents a method on how to control mind(aka Raja Yoga)

3) Vaiseshika and Nyaya Sutras

It a discourse on physics and logic

- It introduces a scientific logic on analysing the empirical world
- It models the world as formed of atoms and delinates the densities from ether to solid matter with their corresponding qualia. They are: Akasha, Vayu, Tejas, Apas, Pritvhi) Be careful with bad translations as they will often render it as ether, wind/air, fire, water and earth. The accurate translations are: ether, force, energy, plasma, particle and in turn correspond to states of matter by different density. The highest is ether and lowest is solid matter.
- It represents all atomic aggregation as taking place in space and time and essentially all mater is just a sequence in time.
- It describes mental states and the mind as an information processor

4) Samkhya Karika

It is a discourse on quantum metaphysics(it is different from the Vaiseshika-Nyaya in that the Vaiseshika-Nyaya treat of the empirical world of physics and Samkhya treats of the metaphysical world of physics. This is why I call it quantum metaphysics.

Note: The translation available online is a very poor one from the 19th century and grossly inaccurate and difficult to read.

- It introduces quantum metaphysics in precise detail
- It desribes all phenomenon as cyclic units manifesting from the quantum field(moolaprakriti) which then return into the quantum field.
- It describes all cyclic units from microcosmic and macrocosmic as being the results of three fundamental forces(gunas)
- It describes manifest reality as being observer dependent
- It describes the observer-effects on manifest reality
- It describes the entire universe as being an absolute state and within this absolutem all phenomena and all possiblities exist superpositioned. This absolutem is in turn formed of two aspects: matter and consciousness which give rise to cosmic matter and cosmic mind, and in turn infinite atoms and infinite souls.

Most Samkhyans will hold the view the absolutem is transformed into matter and consciousness(pradhana) because of an observation taking place which disturbs the supersymmery of the fundamental forces. However, this view is contested by Vedantists(discussed next) which state that the absolutem only appeared to be transformed, in reality no transformation or creation takes place, this is entirely an illusion and the entire universe is happening within the absolutem. A modern equivalent would be single-electron theory; the notion that the entire universe is occuring within a single electron. Also holographic universe theory.

Here is an interesting video on Samkhya Philosophy given by a rather strange Indian man
He talks very fast, so try to keep up!





Also read Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine Volume 2. It is dedicated to esoteric science and interestingly begins by saying, "The difference between modern science and ancient science, is that modern science is a bad interpretation of ancient science" In other words we don't know more about science today, but less, far less.

5) The Upanishads and the Vedanta Sutras

A discourse on spiritual metaphysics

- It describes the universe as being pure being itself
- It describes the self and the universe as being the same pure being
- It explains all reality as occuring within the universal mind of pure being and all of reality as being nothing more than thought forms created by space-time
- It explains everything as being either self or not self and basically everything which is empirical is not self.

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posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 11:25 AM
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The NWO is a smoke screen of the Real World Order. The dumbed-down sheeple will only wake up when it's life or death.



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by unrealweapon
Again indigo doesn't know waht he is talking.He first says the China will invade India but he fails to realize that the billy mier clips are from 1992.At that time India did t had nuclear wepaons.


India's nuclear weapons and its nuclear policy is pathetic. It does not change the status quo

1) India's best nuclear weapons is 0.05MT, against China's best nuclear weapon of 4MT. If India drops a 0.05MT nuclear weapon on a Chinese city, it will not even destory the city. It's blast radius will just be a few miles.

2) India has a no-first-use policy. In other words India has decided that it only use nukes in a second-strike as a reaction - which is basically suicide.
A nuclear aggressor would make sure that they destroy the second-strike capability of their opponent so they cannot retalitate. India's cites are all packed close together. If China uses even 5 4MT weapons on India's main cities it will pretty much destroy India because the blast effects will be felt for hundreds of miles.

3) India's government is pacifist, there is no guarantee that even if China did invade, that they would use the nuclear weapons

China enjoys overwhelming military superiority over India. India has as much chance against China as Cananda has against America. Remember China is not only going to turn out to be unstoppable against India, it is also going to turn out to be unstoppable against America.


Regarding your other post on the universe being evil, some virtual reality program created by an evil ET race and it ending in 2012
The universe has 155 trillion years more to go; the earth has 4 billion years to go and humans have 300 million years to go. Nothing is ending in 2012. It's just going to be a world war(with other natural cataclysms, but nothing that will destroy the world) and the most destructive one we've had yet. The world, much less the universe are not going to end. Period


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posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 12:06 PM
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you dont get it ET didnt create the universe.The demiurge created it.Its gnosticism.Already matter is fracturing,tv channels are freezing,cont cranes are crashing,more eq and volcanes are happening.What is happening is the end of the evil creation that is universe.So stay with your vedic teachings cuz they are all corrupted.Just read the thread about 2012 is 2008 and then reply.

the rapture has already happened and the consciousness of earth,time and the 4 elements have been rescued.Only light warriors remain.just before the second cataclysm they will be rescued.

The universe is based on programing ie dna .In the divine realm there is no programing,there are no rules.only an evil god would create a world like this.


why do you think global warming is happening?the light is extingusing the sun by making it hotter and hotter.Read the global warming post in the www.xeeatwelve.com

Its over,the evil creation is comming to an end and all true light beings will soon go home.




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posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 12:09 PM
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We are going deeper into Kali Yuga. As another posted said it only started 5000 years ago, and there are 427,000 years to go. This is why I say that we are entering into an age of pure evil and 2012 is when it is going to get more intense than before. This is an age where spirituality will be persecuted.

That said, the traditional Hindu calculations for the 3102BCE calculation for Kaliyuga could be wrong. I posted a thread on the the Lumeria Scrolls, a channeled text which discusses our origins in the Pleadies and our migration to Planet Earth. According to that Kaliyuga begins to end in an age when man has learned to create artificial lights(19th century) so perhaps post-2012 Kaliyuga ends. The Hindu yuga cycles say that the end of each cycle there is a minor destruction. So this might be it.

However I would take channeled texts with a pinch of salt. From the way I can see it and the foreacast ahead of the future where the world is under global communism. I don't see it as a positive thing at all.

I don't know much about "Junk DNA" to comment. And yes we are alone responsible for our own destiny.

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posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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there will be no restart of yuga or time.Read the atu waa article.Time was suppsoed to be restarted by 2008 and it did not.Thanks to the light the evil creation along with bhrama,vishnu and shiva would be destryoed.

Just read this
www.xeeatwelve.com...

The first three minds (high beings of Light) went into the Celestial Error and refused to accept correction to bring them back to the Light. These three minds escaped before the Celestial Error (the Principle of Polarity) was corrected. For all intents and purposes the Celestial Error has been corrected! However, the three minds refused the correction and went on their way to form their own principle that defies the Light, which is now commonly referred to as Darkness. Minds four through to eight were supposed to help retrieve the three "prodigal children", but they became trapped and corrupted by the other three minds. This is mainly due to the polarization energy that the three minds came up with in their early stages of creation of the Virtual Reality. It was also due to the fact that Evil was so foreign to the True-Light beings that they were naïvely caught in the traps.


In the True-Light Creation, all beings embrace Unconditional Love. Emotional love, which was created by Darkness, is different from Divine Love. Emotional love mimics Divine Love to trap the unawares. Evil thoughts and actions that are contrary to Purity originate from the Evil Mind. In the simplest terms possible, the Evil Mind can be seen as one that arises from a mutual co-operative effort of the eight high beings of Light who have gone awry. Although none of the eight minds trust one another, they came together for their own selfish purposes in hopes of overthrowing the Light. They know that each of them cannot achieve the goal independently, thus they have joined forces for the common interest of toppling the Light. Were they able to achieve their goal, they would then fight amongst themselves for supremacy of Darkness.



so the so called gods are actually rebelled against the divine.

and you are again getting confused.Every living thing has a DNA which is programming.It restricts you.In the divine relam there is no DNA.


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posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 12:52 PM
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Take a look this analyze of the Hindu Yuga system:

www.jayweidner.com...





Therefore, the years listed within the Yuga system are actually symbolic times that explain the lengths of time as it is felt not as it is lived. So the Golden Age or the Satya Yuga feels like it is much longer than the Kali Yuga, or the Iron Age.





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