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Originally posted by Bleys
So what's the solution? And even if you find a foolproof method, will that stop election fraud? Doubtful. Remember the old adage to vote early and vote often.
Originally posted by jsobecky
I know I'll get nailed for this, and people will say that at my age I should have learned by now, but I have more than a little faith in the American people's good intentions and honesty.
So for the entire country to be snookered by a vast vote-rigging conspiracy is not possible, in my eyes when a properly designed system is in place. Just think of how many people would need to be involved and kept quiet. And it takes only one average Joe to bring down the house of cards.
The motto of ATS is "Deny Ignorance". Sometime I think people (not intended for you) interpret that to mean "Leave reason at the door" or "Anything goes". I probably don't belong in this forum, when I think about it.
The Irish government has scrapped plans to use electronic voting for European parliamentary and local elections in June because its reliability has not yet been proven, Environment Minister Martin Cullen said Friday.
The move follows a report from an independent Electronic Voting Commission set up to examine the secrecy and accuracy of the electronic voting system involved.
Cullen said traditional paper ballots would be used for the June 11 vote because the commission was "unable to provide sufficient positive assurance" in the time available.
Here is how Mickey Martin explained why Diebold switched to the new (uncertified and patched at the last minute) card encoders, which failed in California on March 2: The new device, he says, is designed to eventually get rid of the poll book.
"We had a problem with a peripheral device. It was a brand-new peripheral device. It will be one of the standard products on the market in the future. Is it there today? Obviously not, but it will be and it will save counties, such as Cuyahoga, hundreds of thousands of dollars because you can do away with your paper poll books which cost the county a lot of money to produce. A lot of time and effort will go away. It will automatically let you update your voter registration system to that everything is seamless. "
Mark Radke confirms Diebold's plans to do away with the physical poll book audit trail:
"Why did they go with the PCM-500 instead of a standard card reader, these are very progressive contracts. The PCM-500 is a touch screen unit. I know it's -- what it's going to evolve into is an electronic poll book."
Getting rid of paper records means getting rid of auditability. What are audits? Quite simply, they are the checks and balances that help to prove that votes were counted correctly. I'll say it again: Vote counting is just bookkeeping. You have to show your work. You must be able to prove how you came up with your numbers, and you must use INDEPENDENT sources of evidence to do so.
Originally posted by curme
Vote absentee. At least there will be a piece of paper somewhere with your vote on it.