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Bill Lets Obama Turn Off the Internet

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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:22 PM
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Ok the way I see it is, they will shut down sites like this when they are given the opportunity to.

We need a back up plan. If this site goes down, where do we all meet online?

We actually need like 5 options that are only used when the more recent option is shut down.


It will be hard for them to argue that these sites are dangerous over and over again , it will be obvious they have an agenda.

So we pick, or create a site and leave it dormant now and start it up if this site goes down.

When they see we started up else where they try and shut that down and we keep moving to other sites.

But we must keep reporting why and what they are doing so people know they are trying to suppress the truth and suppress valuable information for the human race.



And I don't some douchebag coming in here and being like " we survived without the internet before we can survive again without it" because that is not what it is about.

It is about total control and them doing it ever so slightly that most don't even know how or what they are doing until it is done and too late.

It is a proven method that works and in their case why fix something if it isn't broke.

What they do works and works well as we can see.

We are smarter than them because we have the numbers so eventually we will find a way around their plan because......

Ego gets in the way of truth and of thinking 100% clearly.

They will slip up enough at some point that we will get rid of their control but how many of us will be around to make it effective.



I know it's a lot ( what I said ) but I just feel that if they have done what they have done too us already ( economically ) then they won't hesitate one minute to shut down their threat.


If I were them I would find a way to go after sites where the truth is out there.

Think like your enemy to beat them.

We need to start thinking like them in order to figure out their next MOVES ( plural )




posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:24 PM
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While I undoubtedly agree with you there, I would argue that people have been trying to achieve that very thing for a long time...

The one thing in regards I would NOT advocate is fighting for it. The means contradict the ends.

Things such as a utopia can only be achieved through thought. Not bullets.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:27 PM
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This truly isn't as strong as it could be. There will be several outlets if such an occurrence would happen for those who are technologically sound.
So I suggest as a precaution...download what you think may help...
From software, hardware, hacking instruments, linux tools, anything...I know I will.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:35 PM
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I agree. I also think they want us to stop communicating, in the event we all rise up and form a global militia.

They have lots of reasons for this. Years ago internet use was only used by Federal and state officials.

Now it's a global network like we have here at ATS. Do you think they like us comunicating about their "Conspiracy agendas" To warn other. or form protests and orgaized Tea Parties?

It scary they have these plans. No one should have that much power over the people.

Now that is has gone global we cant even vote on it!

[edit on 8-4-2009 by wonderworld]



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by TheAssociate
They can and will do this, it's just a matter of time. Do you really think AT&T, comcast and the other major ISP's will stand in their way? If i remember correctly, the major ISP's were just given money to update their infrastructure, this handout will most likely be held over their heads to make them dance to obama's tune. That's the way we do things now, right? That's change.


TheAssociate


I forgot my tin foil hat at home...

Yes, the ISP's would stand in their way.

Let me make something very, very clear.

90% of all cell phone traffic is... guess what? VoIP (Voice over IP).

Shut down the "network" shut down communications. Great so there goes are communications industry. Oh, lets not talk about the BILLION dollar industry know as online shopping..

Also, such action would cripple Dell, Microsoft, Sun, IBM, Google, Oracle.. I could go on. Additonally, it would destroy enterpises as we know it.

No more debit cards, no more checks... cash only. No more digital TV, no more live sports broadcasts - nada.

It would destroy the American, as well as the global economy.




posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:44 PM
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That's just terrible.. Expect to see sex offenders/rapes skyrocket because the freaks don't have access to the internet to view porn....



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 12:03 AM
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It's funny how people think the Internet is stored on one computer, you can't "delete" the whole Internet, there's a misconception out there, they're mearly disabling you from reaching the host computers :| If they wanted to delete the Internet, they'd have to rip up all the cables under sea, an under ground.

There is always BBS, which can be upgraded to become faster :>



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 12:06 AM
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I do understand what you are saying. things wil be much different in 2010.

If they shut down internet communication why wouldn’t they also shut down all forms of communication?

We are entering an era that has never been witnessed in history. Do they care if we communicate if we go communist in this global regulatory world.

They wont care about the viability of business’s such as Dell, Microsoft IBM,

Bill gates attends these Bileberg meetings. IBM has a government contract. Anything the government needs it will secure. Not the security of you and I.

Do you think they care about the economic effects of these businesses’ falling. They wont care at that point. The US and World are already bankrupt.

It’s simple to nationalize some computer enterprises to sustain their own agenda.

Then again this whole thing could simply be irrational people forming a conspiracy.

The VoIP (Voice over IP). Also uses wireless towers to transmit data through satellite transmission. Terminal Satellite Loopback Connectivity QoS Diagnostic will show there isn’t enough..

Look at the TV switch over. Most analog TV signals have ceased. We are already seeing it.

I’m sure my local TV networks wont feel the pinch. It’s the public that is damaged by this.

Japan is switching in 2011. We bag analog and go increase UHF megahertz spectrum.

To me it seems a little to coincidental. I do not believe in coincidences.

You do have a good point if things remain as we have always known them. Sadly we are entering a new age. The beginning of a dark afe perhaps?





posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by Vyrtigo
Its just a safety measure. Its nothing short of any cyber snooping by the government that has already been going on since about 97' when the internet first started. I remember those days and the internet was insane, i mean all kinds of information everywhere. After the year two thousand, there came so much internet regulation that a lot websites were shut down, and new search engines like "Google" were instated to ensure filtering, just as the lovely lady above me stated.

I see so much of this anti president Obama, crap floating around. It's just absolutely absurd the claims people make. The headline has nothing to do with the article, it totally blows it out of proportion.


any proof of all this? I have been making a living on the internet since 99 and never noticed anything like this.

Most websites went down due to advertising taking a huge drop in 2000 at the .com bubble crash. Companies were just wasting money like crazy, I remember because it was GREAT! I could make $2000 a week EASY just by making the most simply websites. I remember wondering - how the hell do these companies make money, and it turned out - they weren't.

As for google, I have no trouble getting up high in their results. My sites for work aren't conspiracy focused or anything, but it's really not that hard to get listed in google and get good rankings. Before google, those who dominated the search rankings were spammers and cloaking pages. Making the search results rather pathetic and useless in many cases for popular terms. If you have legitimate content and a legitimate site, then no problems at all. And that includes websites like this. In fact, many times when I do a search for things I get this site in the results. And many other conspiracy sites. If you go to google video homepage right now, go ahead and search the videos and good luck finding one on google video(not youtube) that is not conspiracy related. I know this for a fact because I was just testing out code for embedding google videos for work and had a hell of a time finding a google video that wasn't conspiracy related to use for testing.

I constantly see bashing of internet companies like google, but never any real information to back it up. Some things google does worries me, but the claims I see are always huge exaggerations and such, much like your post.

There was NO regulations that have come about after the year 2000 that affected sites in the way you mention. NONE. I would know because I make my living at this, and never did anything change for me. The only thing that happened after 2000 was advertising and such on websites dropped a ton, well below actual value. It has only recently started to catch up, but isn't anywhere near what it use to be. This is mostly IMO due to the fact that the tracking software for advertising online is so detailed and complete that you can see exactly how much ROI you get from advertising, where as when you advertise in other areas it's only about viewers and they have no real way to track ROI, so it's mostly branding based. Where as on the net, an advertiser wants to spend $100 and they can see how many users viewed the ad, how many clicked on it, and how many went on to buy the product. So where as with TV and Radio they have no way to track this, on the internet they did and it eventually lead to tons of advertisers saying - this isn't worth it. That is what killed the majority of websites after the year 2000.

Back then entire business models were done based solely off advertising. I would never build a business model today based only off that. Advertising at this point for me is just an extra source of income. However, oddly enough google, the company you are putting down here, is in large part responsible for bring the advertising to a point where it is more viable for smaller sites and such. Google ad words in many ways saved the internet, well beyond what you are even aware of.





[edit on 9-4-2009 by badmedia]



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 01:25 AM
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Thank you for finding this article!
everyone needs to call their senators about this, It need to be shut down like rite now!


great post «S+F» for you!
best regards
The_Tick!



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 06:05 AM
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Hooyah. Every attempt at "global" government (i.e., "empire") has been disastrous for the common peasant-serf-slave.

My ancestry includes Patriots of 1776 and Huguenots. Resistance to tyranny is literally in my blood and I will be damned for failing my duty as a free man. Sadly, there is the majority of the world's people that prefer to be peasants, who want to be led, who need to be told what to do, how to think, and whom to bow before.

That would not be me.

As for the Internet, yes, 9/11 and Y2K brought significant control to it. Time for dial-in networks for private communication but amateur radio is the best best. There are digital HF modes available that offer high protection against jamming and detection unless someone is highly motivated to get you. Not only that, old fashioned Morse Code is considered an ancient relic by government, military and commercial radio users. Outside of the ham radio ranks, it might as well be the strongest cipher invented. Computers do only a marginal job at decoding Morse as there are too many variables, including the fact it is best sent by hand.




Originally posted by nenothtu
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With all due respect, sir, you can HAVE your monarchy, as well as your "global republic". I, among many others, will DIE fighting against it, no doubt, and then what's left of the world when it's over is all yours. Death is preferrable to dishonor.

Regarding the Obama Option of internet removal, should you rely overmuch on the internet as your primary means of communication, you get what's coming. It's a TOOL, not something to be overly relied on. Tools break. Ditto for the recently 'uncovered' vulnerability of the power grid in the US to foreign attack.

I've screamed, for years, that over-reliance on technology is a WEAKNESS, not a strength, and makes that a point of attack. As I said above, tools break. Better have a backup. That's why I can't get myself too excited by the 'citizens with pitchforks can't compete with smartbombs' argument I hear all the time. Blatant BS, meant only to foster fear in the opposition. Once you realize the facts of what I've said, you are immune.

nenothtu out

[edit on 2009/4/8 by nenothtu]



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 06:51 AM
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Sorry, but I have a very hard time taking seriously any "news" story that combines "Obama" and "banning/shutting down the Internet."

The main reason he's even in the White House is because he utilized the Internet to mobilize a never-before-seen get out the vote effort, and drew in (via the Internet) millions of small denomination campaign donations (well ... all that and the ramblings of everyone's favorite crazy person, Sarah Palin). Either that, or there's a "Obama stole the presidency" thread I'm missing (hey, I'm not here all the time ... if I missed it, point me to it).

I enjoy the "is he a citizen" and "is he leading a NWO" ideas, but this entire anti-information Obama silliness rings just way too wacky to me. He's the first president to demand a PDA in the White House. He does weekly video addresses over the Internet. His staff mobilizes his supporters weekly on different issues via email. And this thread and others here basically say he's looking for the power to restrict all that.

I don't trust any politician, but wasn't Obama's predecessor the one trying to restrict the information we all could see on the Internet?

And, echoing an earlier thought in this thread, how could anyone, no matter the resources or power, completely shut down something designed to never close? I need only point to crazy, anti-info countries like China to prove that people will ALWAYS get their voice heard.



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 07:04 AM
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What a misleading headline...

1. There isn't some "big red button" that let's you turn out the Internet like a light switch. It's a sprawled and cumbersome process of turning off DSLAM exchanges at a State Level. Which would take weeks at the very least to shut off Internet access in the entire continental US.

2. Obama obviously only has the jurisdiction to shut down US Internet Backbones. This isn't going to effect the huge network of Undersea cables that link the rest of the entire world together on cyberspace.

3. You think companies like Microsoft, Sony, IBM, AT&T, Verizon, AOL are just going to go down without a fight and willingly surrender their largest revenue streams?

[edit on 9/4/09 by The Godfather of Conspira]



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by xman_in_blackx
I am trying to fathom how they would turn off a network that was designed not to be turned off.

This is making my head spin just thinking about this. Once you had access, it would be difficult to keep you from doing things on it.


I can off-handedly name at least 3 "hackers" in my circle that could probably get around ANY roadblocks in place...and they are good, not great!

NO WAY would the internet EVER be shut down...not a chance! Now that does not mean another network cannot/will not be put in place..."for us"!

It will be interesting to see what steps, if any, will/can be taken to try this...in the "information age" I believe it will be headed off by a worldwide collaboration of hacks, script bunnies, programmers, etc...

Giggity



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 09:12 AM
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One way I think they would do it, is like with the radio emergency system. Supposedly the government had all radio stations have a box fitted, so that the government can seize control of pretty much all the airwaves in an emergency. I would expect it would be the same thing for ISPs, they'd all have to have some box fitted that the government could send the message to. That part would be pretty easy for them, and would cover almost all US domestic and small business connections. I don't think they could really shut down the whole internet, but they could get control of quite a large chunk of it.



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 09:20 AM
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Sorry, but your title is misleading. Obama does not control the world, and the US does not control the Internet. The internet isn't just something you can "turn off".



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by Jay-in-AR
 


With all due respect, sir, you can HAVE your monarchy, as well as your "global republic". I, among many others, will DIE fighting against it, no doubt, and then what's left of the world when it's over is all yours. Death is preferrable to dishonor.

Regarding the Obama Option of internet removal, should you rely overmuch on the internet as your primary means of communication, you get what's coming. It's a TOOL, not something to be overly relied on. Tools break. Ditto for the recently 'uncovered' vulnerability of the power grid in the US to foreign attack.

I've screamed, for years, that over-reliance on technology is a WEAKNESS, not a strength, and makes that a point of attack. As I said above, tools break. Better have a backup. That's why I can't get myself too excited by the 'citizens with pitchforks can't compete with smartbombs' argument I hear all the time. Blatant BS, meant only to foster fear in the opposition. Once you realize the facts of what I've said, you are immune.

nenothtu out

[edit on 2009/4/8 by nenothtu]

well said, my friend, well said. i completely agree. we are billions being oppressed by 1000's? can a million of us take out one person each? cmon



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 10:17 AM
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Ah, China.

I'm wondering why I haven't been watching crazy 1970's music videos on Youtube lately.

No wait, I'm not wondering that at all. Youtube was just banned in China. I guess my frequent viewings of Al Stewart's Year Of The Cat was risking an international incident.

Ah, China. They've got their finger on the pulse...



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 10:34 AM
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OK, a few thoughts about this.

The internet was designed and built by the military, under DARPA. It was built and tested over decades before it became public domain. So, it is likely that any control mechanisms that the military or the government would like to propose are already built in. So those who are posting about "when the government controls the internet", should realize that they already do.

I would also like to mention the covert ops that the CIA, FBI, and Defense Department have had on the internet. Remember Echelon? How about Carnivore? There are dozens of programs that we don't know about.

Over ten years ago, I was a network tech for a fortune 100 company. The place that I worked used NT exclusively and it was a huge operation with thousands of servers and hundreds of thousands of clients. While I was there, we got a new boss and it turns out that she had worked for the NSA for over a decade. I thought, "OK, that's nice but what does she know about NT"? A few weeks later, there was a news story about Microsoft building backdoors into NT for the government, one of them was named "NSA". I then realized that my new boss knew more about NT than I did.

So, as I said the control mechanisms are already there, put there by Oracle, Microsoft, Apple, Cisco, and others, under government contract. So, this is not something that "is going to happen" this is something that has been done.

What you need to know about networks is that there is always someone looking over your shoulder, whether that person is a moderator, an administrator, or big brother. They are always there.



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 11:04 AM
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I highly doubt Obama is wanting to stop people from using the internet and technology.His whole campaign was around IT and won due to it IMO.He is the most tech savvy President we have ever had,so saying he is going to "disband the internet" a bit of a over exaggerated stretch I think.



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