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Chavez says US empire has collapsed, China part of 'new world order'

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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 09:47 AM
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Chavez says US empire has collapsed, China part of 'new world order'


www.jpost.com

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said on Wednesday that his two-day visit to Beijing this week is part of the creation of a "new world order," in light of the 'collapse of the US empire.'

The frequent US critic, who met with China's president and Communist Party leader Hu Jintao on Wednesday, told reporters that power in the world was shifting from America to countries such as Iran, Japan and China.

"We are creating a new world, a balanced world. A new world order, a multi-polar world," Chavez said after arriving Tuesday evening.

"The unipolar world has collapsed. The power of the US empire has collapsed," he said. "Everyday, the new poles of world power are becoming stronger. Beijing, Tokyo, Teheran ... it's moving toward the East and toward the South."
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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 09:47 AM
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Even though many people will try to dismiss this because it comes from the Jerusalem post, the fact is that this is being posted in Spanish newspapers all over the world because it is a fact. This is what Chavez stated in his visit to China.

And there are people who claim "Communism does not exist anymore, and there is no international Communist doctrine anymore".

Well, these people are wrong.

Here is an example of the many Spanish speaking newspapers, and which no other English newspaper is writting about yet.



Chávez promueve en China creación de nuevo orden mundial
06:27 AM Beijing.- El presidente Hugo Chávez afirmó que su visita de dos días a Beijing forma parte de la creación de un "nuevo orden mundial''.

Chávez -que tiene previsto reunirse el miércoles con el presidente de China, Hu Jintao- dijo a los periodistas al llegar la noche del martes que el poder en el mundo estaba cambiando de Estados Unidos a países como Irán, Japón y China, informó AP.

El mandatario afirmó que "estamos creando un nuevo orden mundial" y "un mundo multipolar", al considerar que el "mundo unipolar" se había derrumbado.

www.eluniversal.com...

People should wake up and see what is really happening. The "Permanent Revolution" another name for World Communism is being worked on by at least several factions of TPTB.

www.jpost.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 8-4-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 09:56 AM
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Well I for one among others in the board has follow very closely what is gong on with the US "created economic crisis" and the global result of it.

I am afraid that is true, Chavez is telling the truth.

People tend to forget that China is not Americas friend, never has been, they have been fighting the US following their famous Art of war, Americans educational system should had allowed all students in hight school to read that famous book, but we also failed our generations so they could understand from where China is coming.

Still China goals is ruled the world, and not is not by governments take over but economically while bringing down empires like the US.

They are succeeding and guess what our own policies, political greed and corporate corruption has allowed that to happen.

Our insatiable consumerism, love for credit and loans has done that already.

While US keep feeding the markets and the financial with tax payer money at the mercy of Chinas willingness to buy our debt, they have been very busy fulfilling their goals.

They are now acquiring with US dollars that they hold plenty to buy any natural resources in the world that are for sell.

While investing on the rest that they can not buy.

China is becoming the power house of the world and that is something that US patriots will have to suck it up while watching the great America fall on its own massive created debt.

Lets face people we are all to blame.


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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:04 AM
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It is a lot more than that Marg. Why do you think the U.S. now has implemented many Socialist/Communist programs?

Do you think this is because of the regular people? or rather because Communists have infiltrated the U.S. government for decades and sought to convert it into a Socialist or Communist nation?

You don't transform a Capitalist nation into Communism quickly, nor even a Communist nation into a Republic, or Democracy quickly either.

Capitalism has been demonized by TPTB in order for them to have more control over us.

Capitalism could have continued to survive, and more people could have enjoyed it, but that was never the goal of the true PTB, hence the transformation of nations like Britain, and the U.S. has been ongoing.

The Communist motto has been always against Capitalism, and the masses have been brainwashed into believing this in order to give more power to TPTB.

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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:12 AM
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You fail to address also one important issue, my friend, all that is happening to us and our nations been here and the UK goes as far as the willingness of populations to allow it.

look at the UK and other nations, they are rioting against what their own governments are doing, while here in the US we are just sitting on our hands waiting for the governments hand out.

Capitalism in America became corrupted and we the people allowed that to happen.

In every nations is always a leader and a sucker follower, here in the US we are suckers.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
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In every nations is always a leader and a sucker follower, here in the US we are suckers.


Britain and other nations are far ahead in the opression of the people.

The people in Britain do not have a legal right to own weapons anymore, crime has surged. As an example there is one man, forgot his name right now, who defended himself against criminals with his weapon and he was put in prison, meanwhile one of the criminal is now free to sue the law abidding citizen that was only defending himself in his house as two burglars broke into his home.

In England they had the largest peaceful demonstration in England's history because they lost among many other rights, the right to own and bear guns.

In other words, the British allowed the government to take away their rights as it became more and more Socialist based.

The same thing is happening now in the U.S. and in time people will begin to do the same thing as has happened in England, but it might be too late.

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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:21 AM
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I don't care what that dictator has to say.



As far as China, and their endeavors I am not to concerned by them. As far as trying to take over the World, well I am pretty sure the USA, still has the Nuclear doctrine protocol. DOn't worry.. get back to work..



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by Adrifter
I don't care what that dictator has to say.

As far as China, and their endeavors I am not to concerned by them. As far as trying to take over the World, well I am pretty sure the USA, still has the Nuclear doctrine protocol. DOn't worry.. get back to work..


And 5 years ago, and even longer people were claiming something such as this would never happen, yet here it is.

We are in a created world economic crisis to weaken Republics, and other nations such as the U.S. to change it into a One World Government, and it seems that even the PTB in the U.S. are agreeing now to this Communist One World Government, which would be the reason why Socialist/Communist programs are being implemented meanwhile people kept claiming this would never happen.



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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
....... Socialist/Communist programs?



Why do you seek to demonize a collective response to caring for the old / infirmed / homeless / jobless ?

I always regarded "empathy " as something which transcended political doctrine, or at least it should IMHO.

Reign in your "Red Scare" , Mr.McCarthy.


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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by UmbraSumus

Why do you seek to demonize a collective response to caring for the old / infirmed / homeless / jobless ?

I always regarded "empathy " as something which transcended political doctrine, or at least it should IMHO.

Reign in your "Red Scare" , Mr.McCarthy.


So you are in favor of the government/corporation and not the doctors determining what are the best treatments for patients?

You think that money grows on trees, and more people will get better treatment even though the same system is bankrupt all over the world, and the so called "perfect healthcare systems" such as in Communist nations is nothing more than propaganda meanwhile in the real world this system does no real good for the people?

Reign in your new National Socialist United States, or worse Mr. Hitler...

There are already Youths for Obama with red jackets dancing, and training similar to the paramilitary groups in Socialist and Communist nations.

But I guess I made all of this up heh?....

www.youtube.com...


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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:15 AM
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I never claimed this would not happen. Yet Stalinism has been around for a long time man. America will be anarchist before we become communist. Just because the mass cooperate media, is trying to keep the populace docile with its tribulations of how horrible our economic crisis, does not mean we are just gonna roll over and take the communist order to fulfill our needs, and if we do, then America has already fallen. Yet sometimes you have to look thru cracks to see what really there. Above all else If America is invaded by a foreign Army we have a protocol to destroy our country, Kinda like russia in WWII, just we'll use nukes.


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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:30 AM
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Take over the world without firing a shot. China sure did it. Frankly Im kind of glad the empire is coming down. Im sick of paying all the costs of policing the world its someone elses turn to bear that burden. I just want a military big enough to defend our selves and not defend everyone and their brother who come crying to us.

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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:35 AM
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We will see if you feel the same once that policing is implemented in nations like the U.S.

We will also see if you like being equally poor to some of the poorest people in the country.

Already the new administration is making plans for the redistribution of wealth meanwhile they ahve declared they are not worried about what the Middle Calss will do because the crisis is abd, and will get worse and people will worry more about puting food int ehri tables, keeping their jobs, and being able to send their kids to school.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:41 AM
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Its this way of thinking they want you to have. The news wants to beat into us over and over again about how bad everything is, until instinctively that's how we feel, so we can spread this bad feeling to ourselves and others.. The problem is this the government has the tools to fix problem, yet refuse to. One example pass a bill into law wiping away American citizens credit debt. Other ways lower taxes etc. etc. etc. I mean hell a guy sitting on his couch watching tv can think this up. If the economy is that bad, then make difficult decisions. If we continue to think in this fashion then what it is that makes us America will fade. Watching historic documentary about our history will become alien, we will not understand how such people existed. That is not who i wish to become, so I will say it again, I do not care what that dictator says, I am a free man, and Freedom, still maybe just a lil black n blue resides here in AMERICA. Oh, and we are still badARSES..



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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:58 AM
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Reply to Electric and Adrifter


Ahh two guys I see who want 90% tax increases. Heres the facts to pay for the government we have we should have a 90% tax rate but we dont which is why we have huge debt right now. Thats going to change soon and youll hear all the people like both of you who think we need to police the world crying because taxes are going up. Sorry you cant have it both ways the warfare welfare state and have the low taxes we have. One or the other needs to change. Ill take lower taxes and no policing the world.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 12:06 PM
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Good post.

Although I wouldn't put too much faith in any pint sized third world dictators words.

China is growing no doubt and is becoming and will be a world player. The US will have less influence on world affairs. So what! Do we always have to be the ones who are either pissing people off or coming to their rescue? I agree with some the above posters, All we need is a military large enough to defend the states. Maintain and modernize our nuclear deterrents.


People who dislike the US see this as the "Ultimate" Down fall of the US and some Americans look at this idea in "HORROR" the fact of the matter is that America will not go out like other Empires of the past. We will still be the US.

The so called American Empire was not built on taking and controlling territory like previous empires.

Great Britain, the Soviet Union, and Rome etc. When those Empires folded they shrunk because they had to relinquish the land they took by force.

The US really has no conquered territory outside it's borders. We will still be the 50 states only with less influence on world politics it doesn't mean we will have no influence just less influence.

Personally I think it could be a great thing for the US. We can go back to what we do best no not a mighty military but go back to what made us great in the first place. Being our naturally optimistic people

Remember our old
"Can Do" attitude?

PEACE
Slay





posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Personally I think it could be a great thing for the US. We can go back to what we do best no not a mighty military but go back to what made us great in the first place. Being our naturally optimistic people

Remember our old
"Can Do" attitude?

PEACE
Slay




Exactly. Its not like anyone is going to invade us we still have a strong military the only difference it wouldnt be in almost every country on the earth. WIth our gun laws it would be tough to invade us and sustain an occupation. Wed make Afghanistan look like a trip to Chucky Cheeses. Im sick of paying to police the world and now its going to be my kids and my grandkids who bear the cost.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by mybigunit

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Personally I think it could be a great thing for the US. We can go back to what we do best no not a mighty military but go back to what made us great in the first place. Being our naturally optimistic people

Remember our old
"Can Do" attitude?

PEACE
Slay




Exactly. Its not like anyone is going to invade us we still have a strong military the only difference it wouldnt be in almost every country on the earth. WIth our gun laws it would be tough to invade us and sustain an occupation. Wed make Afghanistan look like a trip to Chucky Cheeses. Im sick of paying to police the world and now its going to be my kids and my grandkids who bear the cost.



I am in agreement with the above. The fact that we end up policing the World, is mainly because the UN, leaves it to us, not to mention or allies. That does need to end. I think some of these that do not help in military affairs with us need to be out of our alliances as well.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 12:38 PM
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I don't think China wants to rule the world as some posters have commented. It is quite possible that China wants a dominating influence, open markets for its goods and access to resources abroad.

The Chinese mentality is insular and they see no value in casual cultural exchanges but not necessarily due to racism. Modern China is a product of a civilisation several thousand years old with the majority of its existence a towering centre of knowledge and technology. In effect, they were a people who were isolated from the rest of the world.

They have had every opportunity to rule the planet, the knowledge to build huge ships and an ability to navigate anywhere yet they had no desire to do this unlike the Europeans who did so at the first chance much later.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 12:45 PM
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Obama, and his administration want to cut down our nuclear deterrent, and want to give power to a youth movement which will be brainwashed, and indoctrinated by the education of the Corporation/state which at the same time will be Obama's Youth just as Hitler's youth was, and like the youth in Communist dictatorships are brainwashed.

They have also stated that they see more important the made up crisis than any human right, and people think this will not affect the Human Rights within the United States, and that the destruction/dismantling of the Republic will be good?

At the end the goals of the Communists is to install the "Permanet Revolution" accross the world, and that includes the United States. So this will affect us and forever change the Republic into something it was never meant to be.

Already the Obama administration has relinquised our sovereignty to a world tribunal which is full of dictatorships, and despots, not only of some partially free countries.

The isolation of nations has always also proven to be the dismantling of such nations.

You know what I find extremely strange? Right now I am listening to Sirens going off all over my city, which I haven't heard at all in the almost 5 years I have been living here. They are claiming in the announcements this is only a test, but I wonder what for exactly, since I just spoken to a neighbor about it who has lived here his entire life, and he hasn't heard this either.

I live in the outskirts of a fairly large city of some 50,000+ people.

This might have nothing to do at all with this topic, but I find it strange since this is very unusual.


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