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Somali Pirates Seize 21 American Sailors

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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 05:32 AM
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Somali Pirates Seize 21 American Sailors


www.foxnews.com

NAIROBI, Kenya — Somali pirates on Wednesday hijacked a U.S.-flagged cargo ship with 21 crew members aboard, a diplomat and a U.S. Navy spokesman said.

The Kenya-based diplomat identified the vessel as the 17,000-ton Maersk Alabama and said all the crew members are American. The diplomat spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

The U.S. Navy confirmed that a U.S. flagged ship with 21 members of crew was hijacked early Wednesday off the eastern coast of Somalia.
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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 05:32 AM
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I thought that recent efforts by several nations had stopped the piracy in those waters. Apparently not; this is the sixth ship to be hijacked in a short week.

The tanker was an American flagged ship. Will the US react swiftly and forcefully to answer this crime against their commerce? Or will the new administration decide to sit down and negotiate with the Somalian pirates?

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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 06:12 AM
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This will be over swiftly, navy seal extraction teams will be in and out before we know it. The operation is probably happening right now. Don't fret, I am former navy and have full confidence in the teams.

-Kdial1



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 06:12 AM
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Last time I paid attention to the piracy, several nations had amassed a small fleet in the waters that are the preying grounds for these morons. These guys are giving the ultimate finger by seizing a US flagged ship.

They need to make an example out of these maroons. Rescue the crew and turn the pirates into fish food.

I must add that I am amazed that the crews of these merchant ships are not permitted to be armed. Given the escalation of these crimes, the merchant vessel crew should be armed with rifles and shotguns. They could fend off the RUBBER rafts and other attack dinghies before they even get close enough to be a threat.

[edit on 8-4-2009 by jibeho]



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 06:19 AM
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It will be interesting to see how Obama handles this. After his whole "America is to blame for all the troubles" tour he'll probably want to have them over to the White house for a wednesday night party to talk things over and apologize for the arrogant American's being in their waters and give them some money and then go on Letterman and joke about it or something. On the other hand, if Obama takes swift and decisive action, then my respect for him will rise a little, can't really get too much lower at this point.

One way or another this is a golden oppotunity for Obama to show what he is or isn't made of. The rest of the world will definately be watching as well.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 06:38 AM
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I just dont get it?
Why do america & it seems half the navies of the world, send warships out there to stop this yet its still happening, when they think nothing of bombing raids into other countries like pakistan without permission.
These pirates are stealing billions of dollars worth of there property, taking prisoners, killing a few, holding cargo to ransom etc
Are these not terrorists?

I'm amazed its been allowed to continue & they havent been stopped yet, unless there really is something else going down around that region.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 07:16 AM
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I made a thread only 2 days ago about how Somalis had hijacked a British cargo ship.

All those troops that are meant to be leaving Iraq? I wouldn't be surprised if they'll have a stop-off before they go to Afghanistan.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 07:27 AM
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Stopped it? They seized at least 5 ships over the weekend. All they've done is move to areas where the patrolling ships aren't. Until they put the transiting ships into channels, and funnel them through a smaller area, that they can patrol and respond faster, this is going to keep going on.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 07:52 AM
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I have a friend who is a retired Navy electrician and he works on one of these cargo ships. They never travel that route because they deliver to the middle east. They do have some active duty Navy on board that are armed. I tend to think this cargo ship surley did not have weapons, but you never know!



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 08:12 AM
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According to the company that owns the ship, they were carrying general cargo heading to Kenya.

The pirates have moved South of the area where the US and coalition are patrolling. The ship that was seized didn't request a military escort and wasn't under Pentagon contract at the time.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky The tanker was an American flagged ship. Will the US react swiftly and forcefully to answer this crime against their commerce? Or will the new administration decide to sit down and negotiate with the Somalian pirates?


It has, to my mind, reached the point where one has to call cui bono on this whole subject.

So...you're conspiracy buffs? Who benefits? How come this still goes on?

[edit on 8-4-2009 by JohnnyCanuck]



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 08:27 AM
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Because the pirates are heroes in Somalia, and the nations that are fighting it are posting token efforts to make themselves look like they're doing something. You CAN'T allow ships to travel everywhere through the area, unescorted. You simply can't cover millions of square miles of ocean with the forces they have at hand. They have to either require all ships traveling the area to be escorted, or funnel them into "roadways" where the anti-pirate forces can stay near and respond quickly to.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by kdial1
This will be over swiftly, navy seal extraction teams will be in and out before we know it. The operation is probably happening right now. Don't fret, I am former navy and have full confidence in the teams.

-Kdial1


I too have full confidence in the Seals. *If* they are allowed to do their job.

That's where my confidence drops off..



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58 They have to either require all ships traveling the area to be escorted, or funnel them into "roadways" where the anti-pirate forces can stay near and respond quickly to.


Between ransoms paid and insurance premiums, I'm certain that there is enough pressure being applied to have shipping funnelled into secure lanes. Marine insurance has been a fact of life for centuries. It has inertia.


The Babylonians developed a system which was recorded in the famous Code of Hammurabi, c. 1750 BC, and practised by early Mediterranean sailing merchants. If a merchant received a loan to fund his shipment, he would pay the lender an additional sum in exchange for the lender's guarantee to cancel the loan should the shipment be stolen.en.wikipedia.org...
(Forgive the use of Wiki...it inflames some folks)


Flag a vessel as 'hands off'. Run it through a secure corridor. Approach it and you are sunk. Sounds simple to me...and yes, I am aware of the Somali side of things. Screw'em...piracy is not Plan B.

Point being...what's the up-side to hijacked tanks, poisonous cargoes, who knows what? There's more to this than meets the eye. Cui bono?



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by Kords21
It will be interesting to see how Obama handles this.


Team Obama will "handle" this about as well as they are handling North Korea and the two female journalists being held by the North Korean government. Hey, maybe Team Obama will demand that the U.N. spew out a resolution condemning these pirates and their ongoing acts. Opps, wait, we are still waiting for the failure of an international organization, the U.N., to rush out a resolution against North Korea....




posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Between ransoms paid and insurance premiums, I'm certain that there is enough pressure being applied to have shipping funnelled into secure lanes. Marine insurance has been a fact of life for centuries. It has inertia.


FYI: There is no secure lanes off the East coast of Somalia, however, there is an MSPA (Maritime Security Patrol Area) in the Gulf of Aden off the north coast of Somalia. That being said, the MSPA is a narrow security transit area. Ironically, this secure area is subject to a large number of acts of piracy and maritime terrorism, despite the presence of patrolling warships.

[edit on 8-4-2009 by Seekerof]



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 09:42 AM
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The whole system of dealing with piracy is flawed and that is the principle reason these acts are allowed to continue. The repercussions of piracy are very little and the gains from piracy are too great for them to ignore.

The only way to change the situation is to make it less profitable to continue with piracy. And that can only be done with a SHOOT-On-SIGHT approach with Pirates. Coupled with bounties, mining somali ports and in-land drone attacks on Somalia. Without a concerted effort those seas are never really going to be safe.

Also the policy of no negotiations with pirates would help matters greatly. Not to mention having self-destruct devices on ships to scuttle them in case of capture.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 09:46 AM
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I despise Globalism and the UN. It is a bloated bureaucracy with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. The mere suggestion that we need to get permission to defend our sovereignty is laughable. Ships at sea flying our flag are Sovereign U.S. territory. An attack on them is an act of war. The Navy should deploy to blow every Pirate ship out of the water.

Open season should be declared, letters of Marque and Reprisal should be issued to any Mercenary -- giving carte blanche to attack Pirates and seize their cargos for profit.

The only thing thugs understand is force. It should be brutal and swift.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 09:54 AM
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This ship was 350 nautical miles from shore. It was attacked by speedboats.

Normally, that it out of range for speedboats. But the pirates have taken a new tack: they are being launched from motherships with greater range. These motherships also change their flag of nationationality quickly, confusing the patrols.

To resolve this, it is going to take a combination of tactics: armed decoys, air surveillance, escorts, and attacks on the pirates' home bases. It is said that the pirates are buying up some of the most desirable ocean-front properties over there. Let's see if they float.

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Originally posted by Seekerof
Team Obama will "handle" this about as well as they are handling North Korea and the two female journalists being held by the North Korean government. Hey, maybe Team Obama will demand that the U.N. spew out a resolution condemning these pirates and their ongoing acts. Opps, wait, we are still waiting for the failure of an international organization, the U.N., to rush out a resolution against North Korea....



Yeah, the news states that the WH is "closely monitoring the situation" and "formulating an appropriate response".


[edit on 8-4-2009 by jsobecky]



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
This ship was 350 nautical miles from shore. It was attacked by speedboats.


From my own research on piracy and maritime terrorism in this region, I would put forward that these long ranged acts of piracy are being facilitated by the use of a pirate mothership.



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