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Originally posted by MAC269
I have what I consider to be a better idea.
Lets all keep to ourselves what we think about GOD and the here after, you have no need to stop believing just don’t go anywhere near a place of worship and keep our mouths shut.
At the same time pick someone who needs help and help, it may only be doing a little shopping for the old lady down the road, but what ever just help someone with something that they are having a problem with.
At the same time do something to help the planet.
If all of us did this we would change the planet for good not evil.
Bible passages, including Isaiah 40:22 tend to describe the earth as a flat circle, not a sphere.
How did got create light, THEN create the sources where light comes from (i.e. - the stars and the sun)?
Numbers 23:22 - Unicorns!? Really?
Matthew 13:31-32 - Jesus claims that the mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds. Not true.
Matthew 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
A simple story illustrating a moral or religious lesson.
Didn't want to discuss the Bible, really. I was fond of the thought of maybe having a place that I would want to be on a Sunday morning.
I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about this. You create an idea, and then you implement it, and thus a source. All things come first from thought, then they are manifested. Before the light bulb, there was an idea of a light bulb. Create light, then say - ahh here is a source for it. Although to be quite honest, those aren't the only sources of light, nor is it even the light you see. But that is another topic.
Originally posted by badmedia
reply to post by DarkStar86
I don't think you must understand what the bible and stuff is actually saying. So when you speak of knowledge and science and you think it's separate of religion then you are simply incorrect.
Originally posted by tamusan
Sure, I understand. I understand differently than you. If you look at any other posts I have made on religous matters, you will see that I have no desire to take religion from anyone. If someone believes in something and it helps them get through the day, I'm happy for them.
You even helped me out in your last post by inadvertently removing the hand of God from the writing of the Bible. You said "Either way they were an explanation for the time." Anything written by or from an all knowing, creator God (or his Son) should be the most accurate account of everything and stand the test of time. My only concern is that I do not believe the Bible was inspired by any supernatural force. It was written by the hand of a human and from the mind of a human.
I will not argue that there is wisdom to be found in the Bible. I will also extend that to almost any holy book of almost any religion. There is a great wealth of wisdom to be found in the Bible and other holy books.
Should it be used to try and prove creation or the existence of a God? Probably not.
I like the idea that the OP has. If people can get together, leave religion at the door and discuss what science is doing now and how it is improving our lives (and even the opposite), I think that there would be some good to come from that.
All I think he wants to do is to have a place to congregate in a friendly environment to learn or share non-spiritual things. What's wrong with that?
I spent the first two and a half decades of my life believing that the bible was the word of God. I spent the next 5 years or so after that pretending to believe it was the word of God. I have spent the last 10 years being honest and saying that I do not believe the Bible is the word of God.
That does not mean that I think the Bible is not a good book and that people cannot learn from it.
Originally posted by MAC269
reply to post by badmedia
My dear badmedia
I am not discussing it that is my whole point; I think people should believe what they want without indoctrination by religious zealots. Whose whole interest is to have power over others. A person’s belief or not in God and the here after is a purely personal thing and great evil has come over the centuries because one lot of religious zealots wants to force their beliefs on another. So all I am saying is believe what you wish just don’t try and convince other that your belief is the correct one.
Leonardo da Vinci
Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using his intelligence; he is just using his memory.
Originally posted by DarkStar86
You are just spinning your wheels here. I totally understand your point but once again may I need to remind you the younger generations around the world are growing up in the information age. They don't accept old scriptures into their lives anymore and you cannot force them to. So lets move on....
You talk about all the great lessons to be learned from the bible just as many Christians do and we get it, but if you're trying to tell us you can also find great scientific knowledge there also that is not correct. Now, maybe at one time before the bible got edited by the many rulers of the old world there was but not in the current version.
The only problem is you are basing this opinion not on what either actually does, but based only on your general opinion of them. Each of them has a proper place, and they need to stay there. Those who want 1 or the other likely don't understand the one they don't like. As it turns out, it doesn't need to be an either or thing.
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.