Flight 93 "shoot down order" whistleblower Feb 2009

Click link for audio interview:

www.projectcamelot.net...

Quote off Project Camelot Site:

"Elizabeth Nelson :
What really happened to Flight 93

Los Angeles, February 2009
--- I remember the distinct feeling inside of me when I saw on the news that there was this story that there were terrorists on this plane, and that the people overtook the pilot and crashed the plane, and how this was leaking out as these people being heroes. And I remember the extreme moral frustration inside of me, of feeling:
But that’s not true! That’s not true at all...

Elizabeth Nelson

In February 2009 I [Bill Ryan] was approached by a remarkable and very brave young lady who was present in the room when the decision was made to shoot down United Airlines Flight 93 over Shanksville, Pennsylvania, on the morning of 9/11: 11th September, 2001. In this 45 minute audio interview, this very courageous woman tells her story in detail.

The audio begins with a sequence of critical extracts which we have portrayed dramatically to illustrate the significance of the story. We're aware of the sensitivity and emotional import of this subject to millions of patriotic Americans, including many in the military, and we respect that fully. For obvious reasons, Elizabeth Nelson is not this woman's real name, but the account you will hear is totally authentic. As you listen to her testimony, consider the complexities of the events of that day, and the many good people who were caught up in them, seeking only to do the best for their country, quite unaware of what the real truth might be behind the scenes."

end quote - visit link for audio interview

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It's not hard to believe that the government would shoot down a plane with it's own citizens on it.

I mean, it's just a few people right?

WRONG. Everyone matters.

Wow.

I suppose it completely explains where there is no real crash debris to be found...it was blown up....

And honestly, being in the airline industry, I can divulge that yes:

You really don't want to let a terrorist gain control post-9/11 because now there are no more negotiations with hijackers. It is mandatory shootdown.

This is what I have been told....

I had the same feeling.....more of a knowing.....was struck numb by it also.
Remember a co-worker running in when the first tower was hit....my reaction was not one of surprise or rage....I said to her "Now we know what it's like to live in Dublin or Beruit" and, as I said those words, the truth shot like a diamond . This was not an
outside attack, but an inside ploy. The second tower went down...okayyyy. The pentagon got hit. A plane has crashed in Pennsylvania. Unbelievable...absolutely unfathomable!!! I had to go home and be wretchedly ill, thinking about the "Reality of Retaliation" and how the rest of the world did not deserve the wrath of Bush Sr. and his cohorts, as carried out by The Shrub.

9/11 was orchestrated and cartooned out to buffalo most everyone. The choreographers being careful to fill this one with plenty of hateful and symbolistic applomb. Flight 93..a despicable act.

Interestingly and fortuitously, we of like mind here, are able to seek, research and embrace a clear truth; though certainly not always an agreeable one.

Namaste.

I just read through the transcript of the interview and I have to say that I find it hard to believe the events as recounted by the "whistle blower."

The idea that people at a military hospital saw the first plane come in on a TV in the hospital lobby is very difficult to believe. Maybe she misquoted the soldier who told them about the first impact.

www.projectcamelot.net...

EN: Normal day. And we had the early morning patients -- preparing enemas, and upper-GIs. They’d drink the barium, and we’d look at their intestines.

And then after these were done in the morning, one of the soldiers, who a more senior solider, a specialist, I believe, he was out in the lobby and he came out into the back room where we were all were and he said: Holy #! I just saw a plane crash into one of the Twin Towers.

And the three of us were like: Really? That’s really strange. And so we walked out to the front desk.

BR: He’d seen it on some television.

EN: He saw it on the hospital TV, right at the lobby...

BR: OK.

EN: ...where you come in and check in for your x-rays. And we stood there, me and him and two other soldiers and we looked at the TV and you could see the smoke coming out of the building. And at that moment I saw the next plane coming, crash into the other tower. Now both towers were hit. . . .

The rumor that I had heard before this story appeared was that Flt. 93 had been shot down by an Air National Guard unit out of North/South Dakota.

Interesting posting though.


[edit on 7-4-2009 by ipsedixit]

[edit on 7-4-2009 by ipsedixit]

Yes, interesting indeed. Though there are a few things in the interview that seem odd. Most of it seems interesting.

The army itself would not be in charge of a shootdown or scrambling, that would be the Air Force, Air national Guard, and NORAD. Army personnel, unless it was a Hawk or Patriot missile unit, would have nothing to do with Air Defense, and Army Air Defense is almost entirely grouped down at Ft Bliss, Texas. NSA itself is more closely linked with the Air Force than the army. If these guys were giving orders to shoot down the plane, they weren't army.

I am guessing, that if she and her friend were in the room attending to the higher ranking officers, that they would have had security clearances. She did not mention this, whether or not she did, but I'll grant the benefit of the doubt. Yes, even lowly medics, mechanics, and such need them in certain units. I had one.

I am guessing that it was a secure landline that these events were being discussed over, and not an ordinary conference phone.

It is unlikely they were talking to West Point directly, as West Point is mainly an officer's training university. Perhaps they were talking to another base in new York, nearby. There is an Air National Guard Base on the Hudson river, an active one controled by Norad. In fact, it was right in the flight path of flight 11, I believe.

After serving in the capacity of even a lowly snack runner, if they were following protocol, both of them would have been debriefed.


Otherwise, the interview seems legit enough. Some of the small details, such as not being permitted to look at officers and staring at the wall, the whole unit being sent to grab weapons and guard the base, handing off a couple trainees for peon work, ect, all sounds kosher to me. Brings back memories, really.

Of course, I have always been convinced flight 93 was shot down, and Elisabeth brought up some good points. I believe that the passengers did try and take the plane back. Whether they briefly succeeded or not, we won't know, because I believe shortly after their attempt is when the plane was shot down.

Regardless, thanks for sharing this. This Bill Ryan dude was trying to push and lead the witness, and trying direct the whole thing, but she handled it pretty well.

This is the ONLY 9/11 conspiracy I believe.
It was shot down. Parts scattered for smiles.

no joke.

Thats a very interesting clip

The shot down story doesn't add up either. Even if it was shot down, shouldn't there be more large pieces of wreckage (tail sections, wing sections, fuselage etc) than there actually was? There's been several incidents of planes being shot down and terrorists blowing up or taking down airliners and there were always large pieces of the plane that were identifiable.

the 911 saga seems to never end......this is a good clip that sheds some light....

perhaps?

Originally posted by xbranscombex
This is the ONLY 9/11 conspiracy I believe.
It was shot down. Parts scattered for smiles.

no joke.

Exactly, i have felt this since the day it happened, of course it was shot down, i thought it was obvious to all.

Originally posted by Insolubrious
The shot down story doesn't add up either. Even if it was shot down, shouldn't there be more large pieces of wreckage (tail sections, wing sections, fuselage etc) than there actually was? There's been several incidents of planes being shot down and terrorists blowing up or taking down airliners and there were always large pieces of the plane that were identifiable.

It adds up quite nicely, in fact. Pieces of the plane and various bits of debris were found scattered for several miles. The plane basically was coming apart in the sky.

reply to post by pazcat


First of all.

The debris does NOT represent that of an aircraft that was shot down.

2nd. FDR was sent to Honeywell Laboratory (the manufacturer) to dissect the information. This data showed that both engines were running at 100% at the time just prior to impact.

3rd. Witnesses that saw the plane prior to impact did not say the plane was on fire or that smoke was witnessed.


Lets move on to her story. I do not have a military background, so I can not say what is proper protocol.

- Why would a PFC be allowed to sit in a room to listen to a top secret military decision? To make copies and get sandwiches?

I don't buy it.

EN: That’s all that I knew. And it was made very clear to us that we were not to look at them. We were... they sat us in chairs at the far end of the room, not facing them and we were told to look at the wall and not listen to anything we heard. This was our direct orders.

Um...what?

EN does not give her real name, but states her rank and what she did and where she was employed.

Why? Why stay anonymous? If this story was true, she would have had MP's pounding her door down and placing her in custody.

Funny, the information about the RRMC has been around for YEARS. She is reading off the wikipedia website like this info was brand new. I read about it about 6 years ago.

Giving CPR to a man a month later:

This was my first confirming experience of the spirit. I was checking his pulse, undoing his pants to relieve any circulation, and I saw his spirit rise up out of his body, literally, like a blue-greenish hue just lifting up out of him

She then goes on to say this:

He was revived enough but he died later in the hospital.

So, his spirit left his body…then what? Went back in at some time? What?


This is just another story that stinks of "Mike the EMT" that ended up getting egg all over the faces of Jason Bermas and Alex Jones.

Hearsay dribble from an anonymous source.

[edit on 8-4-2009 by CameronFox]

reply to post by CameronFox


What?, i made no such claims, i just stated that i felt this plane was shot down from the beginning in agreeance with another persons post. It makes sense to me, can you say you believe everything that is publicly stated by anyone, it could all be lies, then again it could not. I dont know, but do you really expect the goverment would let a plane crash into anything else that day? If they did shoot it down are they going to admit killing its own citizens? As i said i may be wrong but i know im not the only one who thinks this way. It is the most plausible of the 9/11 conspiracies going around.



[edit on 8-4-2009 by pazcat]

Yes, the debris DOES represent that of an aircraft that was shot down. Engines were found half a mile from the impact site. Unless there was a tornado in the vicinity, the wind didn't blow them that far.

Witnesses DID see and hear some peculiar things. Consistant with a shootdown:

Witness Statements

As far as military protocol, I can answer that from my own experience. Yes, a lowly PFC could be assigned the the peon task of playing gofer to some higher ups, even classified meetings, provided they have the security clearance.

From what I read, it is unlikely the muck-a-mucks in question weren't giving shoot down orders themselves, but were probably talking to a base that was in touch with what was going on. naturally, the base commander at FT Meade is responsible for base security operations, as they all are, so yes, it is conceivable that he was calling other bases charged with air defense to find out what was happening so he could better decide what to do.

As far as her little spirit-thing, so what? Goof-ball religous beleifs exist in the military too. The freedom of religous belief extends to them too.

Sure, there are strange bits about this story, but that is what is to be expected, given the amount of time that has passed since the incident, her low rank and limited understanding of things at the time, ect. I'd be more suspicous if it was TOO perfect and neat.

Agreed!

Definately the most plausible reason the reckage is nowhere to be found....

And you know the Bush admin. was not going to admit it.

Like I said, working on a plane every day, during self-defense training we had some super high level former FBI guys (they all work for airline security now big $$$$) who totally made it FYI...."Just so you all know these days there are no more negotiations...so make sure they don't get in control of the cockpit" to which we replied "or...then what happens" to which they grudgingly admitted "well....it immediately becomes a shootdown situation". Maybe they knew something....

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Yes, the debris DOES represent that of an aircraft that was shot down. Engines were found half a mile from the impact site. Unless there was a tornado in the vicinity, the wind didn't blow them that far.

This paragraph alone shows that you have not done the least amount of research regarding the debris fields.

There was a part of one engine found 300 yards away in a basin.

Witnesses DID see and hear some peculiar things. Consistant with a shootdown:

15 witnesses on that page. Not one eyewitness is said to have seen any smoke or fire coming out of the plane prior to impact. Only one of the 15 stated that they heard a boom prior to the impact.

As far as military protocol, I can answer that from my own experience. Yes, a lowly PFC could be assigned the the peon task of playing gofer to some higher ups, even classified meetings, provided they have the security clearance.

I will take your word for it. BUT... if they are there to make copies and get sandwiches, wouldn't you think they would have them standing outside the room?

As far as her little spirit-thing, so what? Goof-ball religous beleifs exist in the military too. The freedom of religous belief extends to them too.

I'm not suggesting taking away her religious freedom. The chick is clearly lying at LEAST about the spirit leaving the body....even though the man was alive.

Sure, there are strange bits about this story, but that is what is to be expected, given the amount of time that has passed since the incident, her low rank and limited understanding of things at the time, ect. I'd be more suspicous if it was TOO perfect and neat.

I am confident in calling BS on this one. This is pure hearsay from an anonymous source.

Originally posted by pazcat
What?, i made no such claims, i just stated that i felt this plane was shot down from the beginning in agreeance with another persons post. It makes sense to me, can you say you believe everything that is publicly stated by anyone, it could all be lies, then again it could not. I dont know, but do you really expect the goverment would let a plane crash into anything else that day? If they did shoot it down are they going to admit killing its own citizens? As i said i may be wrong but i know im not the only one who thinks this way. It is the most plausible of the 9/11 conspiracies going around.

I wasn't saying you made any claims. My post wasn't directed at anyone in particular.

I used to think the plane was shot down. I would have agreed with the order. The facts remain... the evidence points to the plane being deliberately crashed.

Here is a good thread on Flight 93

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I still believe it was shot down and the more I researched it, the more I found how easy it was to actually do. However, after the events of that day, there is no way the US government could tell us that we killed our own citizens...this is not 24.

Now, the sad part is that I feel that there was a passenger attempt and maybe it was shot down during that time which lead to the story bieng available but in fact is was shot down by the F-16's that were scrambled and had MORE than enough time to find 93.

reply to post by esdad71


Esdad... Then Honeywell was in on it. Then the passengers calls were faked. Then the CVR was planted. Then the witnesses were in on it. Then the imprint in the soil was staged. Then every investigator that was there was in on it.

Please take this time to list the witnesses that saw a plane on fire or smoking just prior to impact.


Please also take this time to describe the debris found far away from the impact point.