Famous SciFi Author Tells CETI and METI to STFU & Stop Shouting at Cosmos!, page 1
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Topic started on 7-4-2009 @ 10:55 AM by Sys_Config
I ran across this recently, and was piqued enough to want to share it .
So concerned with the possible danger that a proposed new array to send signals out into space may pose to our civilization, David Brin, a famous Sci-Fi Author who helped develop the original SETI protocolas set up a site to warn of the implications and help stop the proposed transmissions.
Following is the link to the site and a small excerpt .



""
Recently, several groups, ranging from radio astronomers in Argentina and Russia all the way to the web advertising site Craig's List, have declared that they intend to commence broadcasting high-intensity Messages to ETI... or METI... an endeavor also known at "Active SETI". Their intention is to change the observable brightness of Earth civilization by many orders of magnitude, in order to attract attention to our planet from anyone who might be out there.

Let there be no mistake. METI is a very different thing than passively sifting for signals from the outer space. Carl Sagan, one of the greatest SETI supporters and a deep believer in the notion of altruistic alien civilizations, called such a move deeply unwise and immature. (Even Frank Drake, who famously sent the "Arecibo Message" toward the Andromeda Galaxy in 1974, considered "Active SETI" to be, at best, a stunt and generally a waste of time.)

Sagan — along with early SETI pioneer Philip Morrison — recommended that the newest children in a strange and uncertain cosmos should listen quietly for a long time, patiently learning about the universe and comparing notes, before shouting into an unknown jungle that we do not understand.

Alas. To date, groups that plan to engage in METI have done the opposite, keeping a low profile and avoiding discussion with experts in near-related fields like exobiology, bioastronomy, or evolutionary biology... or even historians who are knowledgeable about human "first-contact". Especially biologists and historians. (For reasons that will become clear.) ""

lifeboat.com...


Perhaps the "squeaky wheel" will get more than just the oil, replacement was always among the options as well.


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reply posted on 7-4-2009 @ 12:07 PM by Head Shelton
You have to ask yourself, why we never received anything? Could it be, that all the other civilisations use devices like that?
Excerpt from an Interview with Henry Deacon:
"OK. This may interest you if you have a physics background. You know what signal non-locality is, right? When two particles in different parts of the universe can apparently communicate with each other simultaneously, no matter what the distance. Communications devices have been made for communicating across vast distances and also locally using a methodology that’s impossible to eavesdrop on, because there's nothing traveling between the two devices that can be intercepted. It’s impossible to crack or codebreak or eavesdrop because no signal travels anywhere, so there’s no signal to be intercepted or decoded. It just doesn’t work like that. The beauty of it is that the devices are actually so simple to build. You can create two chaotic circuits, on a couple of small breadboards using cheap components which anyone can buy, and they communicate with each other in this way. You can build these if you know how."

Complete Version at:
project camelot

Besides that, Earth is maybe, one of the brightest spots within the radio frequencies.
Just add this:
3 Billion Mobile Phones amount to a whopping 6 Billion Watt HF Power. Just add another 6 billion for Radar Television, Radio Wireless etc. 12 Billion Watt HF Power. Maybe more. We are an unmissable target in our stellar neighbourhood.

And we should be very concerned about the fact, that 70 lightyears away from earth, they can just watch ugly Worldwar II unfold. What a shame for humanity


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reply posted on 7-4-2009 @ 12:43 PM by dooper
reply to post by Phage



Phage, that was brilliant!

Thanks for another one.



reply posted on 7-4-2009 @ 12:45 PM by Aeons
reply to post by Head Shelton




Just to add more sci-fi nerdery into this.

I believe that The "Ansible."

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reply posted on 7-4-2009 @ 01:00 PM by SailorinAZ
reply to post by DaMod



It's almost a new age or liberal idea to think that aliens would be nice and peaceful. Remember the people on the roof of the building on the movie Independence Day?

Just because they may be more advanced then us does not mean they would be peaceful.

Perhaps they would be so advanced, that they would view us as nothing more then cattle, ie. The the way we view cows, etc.

They could be reptilian or insect and think or act nothing like we do.

Just because they have some how figured out how to travel through the universe/reach other planets does not necessarily mean they are smarter. They could just be different somehow.
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